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2018-08-08 09:00 by Karl Denninger
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Manafort: Toast
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There are many making a big deal out of the Manafort trial in which the judge is being rather snarky with the prosecution.

Well, that may well be true, but Manafort is, in my opinion, burnt toast at this point.

Why?

Because the prosecution has introduced firm, hard-to-refute evidence that Manafort specifically lied about having offshore bank accounts -- he checked the box "no" several times, sequentially, when in fact he did have such accounts.

That's a crime (perjury.)

It's not against the law to have offshore accounts.  But it is illegal to lie about their existence.

That alone won't nail him for much time but it's an ugly fact because now if they can demonstrate the funds came from an overseas source, which ought to be pretty easy, then he's really ****ed since he was obligated to declare those funds and pay taxes on them -- and apparently did not.

What they might not be able to get him on is conspiracy.  But in terms of proving that he lied in the filings for a criminal purpose (remember, with few exceptions you need a criminal purpose to your act for it to be punishable) they're better than half-way there at this point from what I can see outside the courtroom.

I think this dude is cooked.

Whether he should be able to be cooked, given the premise on which the investigation was launched, is another matter.  But that will ultimately be a function of appeals, the first of which attempts (to quash the investigation as the fruit of a poison tree) he's already lost.

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Bringing these charges as a result of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and of the Trump campaign colluding with Russia in that process. Of all charges, and during all testimony, there is not one mention of any election, not one mention of Russia (Ukraine, yes, but not Russia), and not one mention of Donald Trump. Yet the media is all over this in connection with the impeachment of Donald Trump.

No, I am not apologizing for Trump or anyone else. I am commenting on the state of justice in this nation. Yes, he is cooked, but to what end? What purpose is served?
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It looks like they're after Cohen on tax charges too.

Playing with the IRS like this dangerous, but plenty of rich people do it. It looks damn tempting, especially if you have foreign income as it's sort of easy to do - - but if you get caught you're royally and truly ****ed.

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Manafort's best hope is that the jury or just a jury member sees an opportunity to stick it to Mueller. Jury nullification. I'd probably be that jury member if I was on the jury. I'm not sure.

It's almost like the judge is looking for someone to do that.

Honestly I'm not sure why they put Gates on the stand??? It seemed a pretty cut and dry case.

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They want him on the conspiracy charges, which is a hell of a lot more serious in terms of years.

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his attorneys will advise him to plead out or make a deal with a plea. a super high percentage of federal cases that go to trial end in conviction. even innocent defendants are encouraged to enter a plea to avoid a worse outcome; it kind of sucks. surprised that it is going down this way given the way things work.

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"They want him on the conspiracy charges, which is a hell of a lot more serious in terms of years."

Without knowing exactly the case they will be presenting in court, it seems the conspiracy charges should be brought against the prosecution.

I get that when investigating a crime it can lead to other more serious crimes. But it appears the initial charge was brought with the sole intent to do an investigation on him. If that is the case than the entire prosecution rests on their ability to conspire.

How many of us could withstand a team of investigators looking into all of our activities? Most everyone of us would/could be found prosecutable on some crime if they could dig deep enuff.

I am not saying he is not a sleaze bag and did no wrong, but if Trump did not run for president, if Manafort was not a close ally of Trump and Trump did not win the election; Would they have even cared to give this guy a first let alone a second look? It seems doubtful.

All those people who are openly and willingly giving their personal information to the likes of Facebook should take heed. When or if they decide to come after you for a real or perceived crime, you just gave them a magazine fully loaded with ammunition.
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