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2018-08-06 10:15 by Karl Denninger
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So You Want A Civil War Eh?
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It appears the left is actually trying to provoke a civil war.

And let's be non-charitable -- this includes Apple (banning Infowars), Facebook (ditto), Twitter (banning Candace Owens, only to reverse it -- sort of) and indeed most of Silly Valley.  It includes the NY Times, which just hired and defends an openly-racist woman who attacks the very people who made it possible for her to be alive and free.

And it includes the so-called "antifa" folks, none of whom have been thrown off social media or banned, despite not only encouraging but actually committing felony assaults and, in a few cases, even arsons.

A large part of this devolves back into the CDA, which was a poorly-written law egged on by a bunch of technologists, and which has now been abused mightily by everyone on all sides.

So let's fix it, before it fixes us.

Specifically, it's time to make the following changes in Section 230, along with related law.

To avail yourself of Section 230 yet be allowed viewpoint discrimination in any form the platform in question must be (1) branded and (2) visible on the immediate surface to a user who connects through or to said platform or resource.

This immediately stops "de-platforming"; a DNS provider, line-seller (e.g. telco), email or a web host service provider (or similar) cannot ban any lawful speech (no matter how offensive) without taking full legal responsibility as a publisher for everything distributed through their systems -- including child pornography.  Yes, this means not only civil (copyright) responsibility but felony criminal responsibility as well.

If iTunes wishes to pull Alex Jones' podcasts it may do so.  If Youtube wishes to do so it may as well.  Both are branded on first impression to the user.  So is The Market Ticker.

However, GoDaddy, Amazon's AWS or Akamai's CDN (nor any other similar business) may not refuse Alex Jones (or Spencer!) service nor may they discriminate for or against like kind and quantity buyers or they immediately and permanently lose all Section 230 CDA defenses, both civilly and criminally.  A person using a web address does not, as a matter of first impression, know who hosted the site nor who provided the DNS resolution for it.  Such is discoverable with modest effort but neither is a branded product displayed to the user on first impression; one must search for it.

This one singular change will mostly correct the problems with the CDA.  It doesn't force Facebook to put Alex Jones back on their site -- but it prevents them, and others, from pressuring domain and hosting providers into blocking his speech.

He might have to pay to distribute it but a free press does not mean you get to take your printing costs from other people.

The market will likely take care of the rest.  Infowars is rather popular; there's nothing preventing Alex Jones from mounting a campaign to destroy Facebook's advertising base, nor Apple's.  Indeed he ought to do both in response; why would you buy a phone at double the price when the maker is a censorious piece of crap?  Maybe you think Jones is a crackpot, in which case iTunes and Apple products are fine.  But if not, well, don't buy it.

The CDA was bad law advocated for and passed by a crooked Congress and President; it "addressed" a problem that mostly did not exist, in that Cubby .v. CompuServe had already established via case law what it codified in statute.  What led to the CDA, for the most part, was ISPs freaking out about people like myself who were raising the issue of them knowingly storing, transporting and distributing grossly-illegal material such as child pornography -- a fact that was trivially discoverable at the time via the simple matter of volume where unlawful binary content over Usenet was consuming ten or more times the bandwidth and storage of legal, textual content.

Prosecutors of the time (mid to late 1990s) were just as crooked as they are now; despite knowing this, which was trivially able to be determined from public information they utterly refused to go after any of the distributors (ISPs and big Usenet houses) and put a stop to it.  They had plenty of existing legal authority to do so, but simply refused to act.  Knowing distribution of this content was, at the time, a criminal felony -- and still is.

The ISPs of the time (quite reasonably) got rather concerned -- eventually someone in a prosecutor's office was going to get a bee in their bonnet and toss a few of them in prison, which would end the practice -- and profits from same -- immediately.  And don't think for a minute it wasn't being done for rank profit -- at my company we received daily calls from prospective customers who explicitly and directly asked if we carried such material -- and upon being told no in response they went and bought from a competitor.  Given the cost to carry that crap it simply beggars belief that those who did were doing so by "accident"; having to buy 5 or 10x as much storage and CPU, never mind the transport congestion, is not done without actual knowledge.

So those profiting from the practice lobbied, and got the CDA -- which quite literally shielded this exact outrageous practice -- child sexual exploitation -- from legal sanction.

But it also made deciding that someone was "persona non-grata", not on a branded product but on a utility product, not only legal but easy -- and as soon as market power accumulated that became part and parcel of the landscape, as we now see.

This must be corrected, because once freedom of speech can be not just tampered with but outright destroyed by such back-door means it is only a matter of time before violence follows; indeed, we are already seeing the beginning of it with the "antifa" people being the inciters of same.

This must not stand.

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Aztrader
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The closer we get to the election, the more sites will disappear. The fake news juggernaut can't have anyone expose them for what they are and possibly sway an election....Can anyone say Trump......
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If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell.


Alex Jones is just the beginning. He's the main trial balloon.

And deplatforming is much worse in other countries. Stefan Molyneux was wacked in New Zealand. He just posted a video asking for help, so I did.

I've supported InfoWars for over 15yrs. I actually remember going to Alex's street protests when less than a hundred people would show up. The same with Ron Paul's "end the Fed" rallies. I've known for a long time how one day the country would again fight a civil war.

Before Alex Jones there was Rush Limbaugh and many other talk radio personalities. Before talk radio there was Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard and many other great writers. None of these people were perfect, but at least they were in the fight.

My stepfather was an active member of The John Birch Society, and at 92 yrs old he still believes that Pearl Harbor wasn't really a surprise attack. And he thinks JFK was assassinated on a conspiracy hached by the Joint Chiefs, CIA, FBI, Vice President and other figures inside of what some people call "The Deep State".

He also thinks the biggest conspiracy since JFK is now unfolding against Trump. I think he's right.

The bottom line is the "Info War" has been going on for a long time. And Alex Jones is riding on the tip of the spear.

Welcome to the revolution....

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Click you've now been banned from Facebook and iTunes. Nice job. smiley

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Now "Youtube", has gotten on board, they are owned by Google.

Karl, you are right!

I'm thinking the war was started when Steve Scalise was shot!

Violent threats from the left aimed at Republicans are growing -- When will Democrats condemn them?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/3....

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Never, because they like it.

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I used to debate with leftists. I don't bother any more. At this point I think the main problem is waking up people on the "right" side of the aisle. Because when I think about things like what is going on these days - I constantly think of that comment from Solzhenitsyn about how they could have taken out the secret police when they started going around grabbing people up - and pretty soon they would have run out of secret police.

He's commenting on people's inaction. It's pretty much the same regret the Jews talk about in response to the Holocaust - how they just didn't think it was going to happen.

I see the same kind of ignorance coming from many on the right. They're constantly living in yesteryear.

I suppose that's why all the calls for civil war and genocide coming from the left are a good thing - because sooner or later you just have to start believing them if they keep saying it loudly enough and often enough.
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This may need to be split out into the Bar, but I'd be interested in sharing de-Google/de-Apple tips. De-appling is pretty easy--just don't use their products.

De-Googling is a but harder; especially if you're on an Android device. I mean short of installing custom ROMs. This is recent blog I read that is pretty good start (I think I found this on Hacker News):

https://piware.de/post/2018-05-01-androi....

Karl, do you use any Google services? What have you done, if anything, to de-Google your daily life? Others?
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Completely un-Googleling is impractical if you intend to use Android and want any sort of App support. It's NOT hard if you don't care about apps -- at all. But as soon as you do you're ****ed, because Play Services are used in damn near everything these days, so if you disable it (which you can do without root on any device) then you're screwed instantly as those apps will not run.

HomeDaemon's Android app is intentionally built WITHOUT any such dependencies, for that reason - not that some don't look attractive (e.g. geofencing), but the price.... no, no and no.

As for the rest it's a minimization game. No Gmail (other than what gets spammed to me via the required login for the app store), make damn sure ALL storage options are off (e.g. in Photos, etc), do NOT use Drive (which means also make sure "backup" is off on the phone), etc.

Is it perfect? No, but at least publicly it appears to work (e.g. it doesn't find things I searched before in maps, for example) and I've challenged it a few times by doing things like speaking very unique but not-what-I-like things into and around the device to see if they show up somewhere else (like on Chrome in my desktop, if I ever browse Amazon, in a Google search from my desktop or on the device, etc) -- and so far, no.

Are they spying? Probably. Can you complete stop it? Probably not. Can you minimize it? It appears so, with a fair bit of effort -- and you do need to make the effort, as some of the settings are quite buried.

Note that I run my own email on an Exchange-like server (on Unix) here; if you let Gmail have any sort of correspondence you may as well forget it as that's insanely useful to them, and they do mine it -- they've admitted it.

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For those who don't want to set up their on email servers, I've become a big fan of Protonmail out of Switzerland. They make PGP very easy, which is important for user-adoption with non-nerds. I know Karl likes to roll his own S-Mime certs. You can do something similar with Protonmail.

Karl, are you mostly Windows on your daily driver? I know you are a big freebsd man on your servers.

I currently am macOS on daily driver, though I use Windows and linux a lot too.
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I kinda want Karl's next project to be PhoneDaemon, which creates a de-googled smart phone....

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Let's see who is next tomorrow. Will it be Tucker Carlson? The Dailer Caller? Zerohedge? Karl? The Gateway Pundit?


These wing nuts call conservatives Fascists and don't even know what it means. Trump needs to go all out and do an EO on voter ID at all polls. This is going to be a mess with all the illegals in certain states voting......
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Karl, are you mostly Windows on your daily driver? I know you are a big freebsd man on your servers.

My desktop is Win10 only because I have too many things I need to run that are Windows, and it handles multi-monitor well. I've blackballed its telemetry at my border gateway, although you CAN shut off nearly all of it once you go through all the settings.

My laptop dual-boots, and 99% of the time I run it under FreeBSD/Gnome. Works nicely. It can boot Win10 as well and sometimes I do, depending on what I need to do.

The bigger issue with phones is the carrier services apps that are on ALL OF THEM, no matter the brand (apple, android, even BB10.) Those are a huge problem as their telemetry is not exposed on any interface you can actually intercept reasonably so exactly what they're looking at is hard to determine, much of it is in the RIL (the non-open source code for the radio chipset) and thus you not only can't see it you can't shut it off either. Those are, for all intents and purposes, impossible to defeat other than by turning off the radios when you're not actively making a call or using data, and then that only works so long as you're willing to be "radio silent."

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It will be 8chan/4chan.

This will get hard core when they attack at DNS/CDN level, like cloudflare did against DailyStormer. I used to like cloudflare, but cancelled all my subscriptions when the did this. Hypocrites. They made a big 1st amendment issue about not blocking jihadi sites, but 'right-wing' (as they or SPLC defines it) is fair game.

DailyStormer isn't down as I understand it. Folks are doing a sneakernet with /etc/hosts. Cuba-level stuff. Ridiculous.
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What software/hardware do you use at your border gateway? I've been meaning to upgrade my hardware there.

What apps have you tied to Win10? Think or Swim?

I've tried FreeBSD, but I'm too familiar with linux. I get frustrated not being able to figure out where stuff is. I'm sure BSD folks feel the same way about linux.
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Apu2c0 running FreeBSD I've offered before to put the boot image on an sd card for anyone who wants it... very fast and fanless, full gigabit capable for throughput. My build has Strongswan vpn and other tools included.

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Snowmizuh
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I'm interested. Email sent.

Thank you!
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Replied.

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I thought if you police the content on your website then you may possibly lose your Safe Harbor protection. I would think all of this censorship would be similarly viewed as curating the content of which you are no longer protected from liability for the content your sites users post.
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Nope section 230 is a near complete barge being prosecuted for anything a user does

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As far as big silicon spying goes I gave up being super secure. Just do what you can. Using a custom ROM with no Google services by default helps a lot, I use CopperheadOS. For apks it's FDroid and if I really need something not open source it Apkpure. I know, you gotta trust them not to inject malware but there's plenty of malware on Google play also. Use OpenDNS and a proxy, tunnel within a tunnel with TLS. Much beyond that and I'm spending all my time trying to be secure and not getting anything accomplished. And please don't use Windows for anything more than you have to.
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I'm also interested in your offer for the APU2C0 SD card.
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"and at 92 yrs old he still believes that Pearl Harbor wasn't really a surprise attack."

Look at the movements of the Lexington, Saratoga, and Enterprise in late November/early December 1941. All you need to know.

From Wikipedia:

"Admiral Husband Kimmel, Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Fleet, ordered Task Force (TF) 12Lexington, three heavy cruisers and five destroyersto depart Pearl Harbor on 5 December 1941 to ferry 18 U.S. Marine Corps Vought SB2U Vindicator dive bombers of VMSB-231 to reinforce the base at Midway Island.[41] At this time she embarked 65 of her own aircraft, including 17 Brewster F2A Buffalo fighters. On the morning of 7 December, the Task Force was about 500 nautical miles (930 km; 580 mi) southeast of Midway when it received news of the Japanese Attack on Pearl Harbor."

"When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941, Saratoga was entering San Diego Harbor to embark her air group, which had been training ashore while the ship was refitting."

"Enterprise was completing one such mission when she left Pearl Harbor on 28 November 1941. It was while returning to Hawaii after delivering Marine Fighter Squadron 211 (VMF-211) to Wake Island, when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7."

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@Karl, are you still running that X220 for your laptop? I got one of those a while back on your recommendation. Best laptop I ever bought.
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Yep.

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