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2018-07-12 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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CNBC: You're Full of CRAP (NATO)
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This crap pisses me off to the point that I have issued a formal prayer for an asteroid strike on the smug-faced jackasses I saw talking about it being a "positive sum" game for Germany to buy 30% of its energy supply from Russia.

Let me remind you what Germany has done in the pursuit of that pipeline and gas supply: They have shut down both coal and nuclear plants that could pick up said load.

It is outrageously unsound to be dependent on any foreign nation with whom you are unable or unwilling to go to war with for your primary energy supplies.  Behind every unit of GDP is a unit of energy and what's worse is that in today's world of "just in time" delivery of damn near everything an interruption of said primary energy supply will instantly destroy your economy, society and government.

Consider how long it would take before our nation's cities would turn into feral free-fire zones -- every single one of them -- were we to lose our ability to provide diesel fuel to the trucks that run food into said towns -- or if we lost 30% of our electrical generating capacity.  There would be literally no standard office building in a major city able to operate under either scenario and in the former there would be food riots within days.

Let me just give you one example: There is a ~0.43psi pressure loss per foot of head of water.  The "average" water pressure in most cities is around 50psi.  This means that without booster pumps, which run on electricity, there is no water above about the 10th floor of a building.  Never mind the elevators (which don't run without power either) or the lift pumps to run your literal crap the other direction and process it at the sewage treatment plant.  As such every building over about 10 stories high becomes uninhabitable for any purpose essentially immediately without electrical power and if anyone on the 30th floor flushes a toilet without working lift stations, well, guess what happens to those on lower floors or in lower-height buildings connected to the same sewage pipe, never mind the streets....

Speaking of that nice city you had....

We haven't even gotten to the fact that oil refining, never mind sorting and handling of damn near everything today relies on electrical power either directly or indirectly.

To suggest that Russia would "never" shut off the gas supply coming through said pipelines is pure folly.  While under ordinary circumstances this is certainly true (after all they get paid for the gas!) were there to be a serious blow-up in international relations, say, over Ukraine, one of the first acts you could expect Putin to take would be to personally walk over to the big fat handwheel on the pipeline valves headed to Europe and close them.

Russia, of course, really likes having that implied threat over NATO nations.  It doesn't need to be stated as a threat to be both obvious and understood; to lose 30% of your generating (or, in the winter, home heating!) capacity would be instantly catastrophic and both Germany and Russia know it.

NATO, in short, is obsolete in a world where any of the nations that its putative "alliance" stands to protect against have managed to negotiate iron-hard dependency agreements with nations that would be subject to counter-attack under Article 5.

Any nation that has allowed itself to be so-entangled either must resign NATO entirely, must be expelled on an immediate basis (for which, I remind you, NATO has no procedure for) or NATO must be dissolved.  Period.

Every nation has the right to indenture itself to some other country.  China has been doing this around the world with third-world nations trying to emerge from their third-world status, giving them "loans" they know they cannot pay with contractual rights to foreclose on the collateral when the payment is not made.  This has occurred with seaports and will probably continue, giving China's PLA literal ownership of land in other, sovereign nations.

This is an effective annexation of said formerly-sovereign territory!

If Germany wishes to indenture itself to Russia through tying its literal existence to the supply of Russian natural gas then so be it.  We have no right to demand that they don't do this; as a sovereign nation they are fully free to commit economic, political and physical suicide, exactly as they have done throughout the EU by admitting millions of unskilled "rapefugees" that have no intention of assimilating, finding work or doing anything other than bringing Islam and Sharia Law to said nations along with sucking up every single Euro they can in welfare benefits.

The United States has no obligation to provide a single dollar in benefit to any such nation.  In fact we have a duty to refuse and reserve all such resources for the inevitable outcome when that act of stupidity ends badly and the people who engaged in said scam decide they won't be content with corrupting Germany alone but rather lay designs through the use of armed force on other nations that are not equally stupid and who have thus far refused to comply with their entreaties of economic, religious, political and/or social slavery.

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Magus
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It wasn't that long ago that Russia did just that

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-....


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Amen, watched the video of Trump at breakfast 3 times laying into the head pansy. Some there couldn't believe what they were hearing though they know its true. And Germany is F@%king Poland and the Baltics when Russia can cut them off and still have the lions share of revenue keep coming through the new pipeline. Though Im sure Germany will stand shoulder to shoulder with them in case of a Russian move against them. Probably issue brooksticks to their troops like they did during a NATO exercise since they were a wee bit short of guns. And I always thought Germans were smart! They can stick those beemers up their Teutonic rearends.
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Does anybody know why trump was saying 70% of their energy supply?

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I wouldn't expect any different from a leader raised in Communist East Germany that was programmed from youth to see Russian hegemony as normal and preferred.

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Does anybody know why trump was saying 70% of their energy supply?

That's where it's headed at current trends.

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Germany also has 2 million invaders on the welfare roles. Quite a mix considering their energy and defense situation.....
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Asimov - ~70% of their natural gas is Russia and will rise significantly in the coming years. Natural gas is supposedly 20% of their energy so its closer to 15% of their energy source today. Although at the rate they are shutting down coal & nuclear plants (50% of their energy) it could easily get there in the next decade or two if things stay the way they are going.

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ABC ( Always Broadcasting Crap) and all the rest of the MSM ****-spreaders just want to impeach Trump. That's what they live for and the first thing they think about when their eyes open as they wake up in the morning. Every last one of the bobble heads who work for the Marxist Stream Media hate Trump to death. So, just that fact alone makes my vote for Emperor Trump a small price to pay for the ensuing **** show. And we are less than two years into what hopefully will turn out to be an eight year long **** throwing contest.

I believe that just as soon as the Euroland implodes the political **** show will go radioactive, and millions of Marxists will turn into an army of political gouls looking for fresh, human meat to eat.

The Lefties who run the EU need hard working humans to support them and their Marxist Utopia-land. But Utopia-land has a date with destiny. Could, as Karl so aptly pointed out, major cities loose power and turn into literal cesspools? Yeah, I think so, so that's one big reason why I stockpile essential goods --- including sanitary supplies to maintain hygiene and health. What are the odds of such a SHTF event? For me, personally, I think the risk is actually very low, but not so low that it can't happen.

This morning I was reading Judge Andrew Napolitano's article regarding why he's "disappointed" in Trump and Trump's selection for SCOTUS. My answer is: "Judge, are you really surprised? Come on".

Message to every Constitutionalist who's smart and those who are not so smart: you ain't seen nothing, yet. Just wait and see what happens if and when Trump faces his first really serious crisis....

Long live Emperor Trump! And here's a two thumbs up for his reelection in 2020 and the continuation of a **** show the likes of which I've never seen.
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TG wrote..
... if anyone on the 30th floor flushes a toilet without working lift stations, well, guess what happens to those on lower floors or in lower-height buildings connected to the same sewage pipe, never mind the streets....

Eww, never thought of that.
You talking bursting pipes here or back-flow through toilet, etc. once the pressures get high enough?

Devastating re: hygiene for sure...

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Trump should just call back all of his troops from NATO. Just tell them it's over - we'll be glad to sell them armaments to protect themselves. See how long it takes them to change their tune???

All of our troops stationed in Germany are a tremendous boost to their economy as well I would think.

I'm of the Rand Paul school of thought. Make our military as robust as it must be to protect us and deter aggression against us. But not so big that we're looking for places to project our power.

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@Ktrosper -
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You talking bursting pipes here or back-flow through toilet, etc. once the pressures get high enough?

Backflow through ANY drain pipe.

During a hurricane around here if/when the lift stations go down you had damn well better NOT flush; if there is anything LOWER in your building and the pipe is full, well.....

BTW it's very illegal to remove the clean-out plugs on the outside of your building prevent your NEIGHBOR from ****ing you in this fashion (said **** then just goes all over your yard!) but I can tell you that it is OFTEN done. The problem with pulling the cleanout plug is two-fold -- first, the (very unsanitary) mess and second, if your YARD floods it will run into the sewer system and massively overload it; storm water typically is handled on dedicated pipes to prevent this.

The "polite but still technically illegal" way to handle that is to remove the cleanout and insert an inflatable plug DOWNSTREAM of the plug's location so as to isolate your house from the line. This prevents a yard flood from overloading the sewer system -- but you still can't flush or use a sink or it still gets dumped outside.

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Ukraine found itself very vulnerable to Russia's whim in the last 10 years due to their dependency on its gas lines.

Belarus also, probably more so since they have no leverage whatsoever.
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cheap technique to prevent sewer backups if you do not have a valve (these like to fail and the butterfly ones corrode closed at inopportune times) or the inflatable plug. on the city side of the U-trap wad up newspaper and stuff it down into the U, enough to fill the diameter. dump a small bag of plaster on top of the newspaper and close the cap. will hold through anything. once the issue passes a few whacks with a hammer and it scoops right out. for a low trap under a lawn or in a pit you can hammer at it with a piece of re-bar or a pipe and it will easily flush through with some water. the plaster pieces will not clog the run to the sewer system. if the trap is inside the building that you are protecting, stuff the newspaper above the outlet pipe level before the plaster and place a weight such as a sandbag over the cap.

regarding Germany, perhaps they are under the mistaken impression that integrating Russia with their economic demands for energy somehow links Russia to them in a dependency relationship. the flawed logic might be that if Russia turns off the gas, Russia is losing the income from the gas sales. they forget that Russia's communists simply changed their nomenclature. these are quasi-state entities and the liberal model which formed such abominations as the EU and the globalist push that promote common business relations as the preventative to future conflict do not apply here. the Russian community will not create a Western consumer society to neuter its predatory instincts. the liberal model which CNBS and the financial world promote is that a consumer society shifts people's behavior and ultimately their governments to a more benign lifestyle based life, not cultural preservation. this has been our downfall and to give the Russians credit, they fight this tooth and nail as they observe that it destroyed our ambitions to protect our culture and rule of law.

Russia does not need to sell its gas, only subjugate others through dependency.

we are no longer citizens; we are consumers. to the market this is success and to the world, failure. and one day Russia will remind us of this. if you do not live for something greater than yourself, you will not die for anything. Evil or not, Russia and similar live for something which for them is better than our nothing.

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Maurevel wrote..
Ukraine found itself very vulnerable to Russia's whim . . .
I would not characterize it that way at all. Russia interrupted supplies to Ukraine only AFTER Ukraine played all sorts of games with them.

Ukraine refused to pay for the gas received as contractually required. As a matter of fact, Russia even lowered the gas prices to Ukraine when they asserted that they were strapped financially. Ukraine still refused to pay. Then Russia told Ukraine they would ship them gas only if paid for up front. Ukraine refused to do that and also continued to refuse to pay for gas already received. Then, when Russia cut off the gas entirely for non-payment, Ukraine diverted gas for themselves (again without paying for it) from the pipelines carrying it to W Europe, contrary to earlier agreements that they not do so.

Yeah, one can find lots of things for which Russia can be blamed, but, IMO, the issues related to gas delivery to Ukraine is not one of them.

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Peterm, I remember that in the news. The problem is we have absolutely NO IDEA what is reality anymore because the news is completely full of ****.
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