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2018-06-27 09:39 by Karl Denninger
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Yes, I Said Civil War
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There is a hell of a difference between shunningharassment and assault.

The left appears to be incapable of discerning this and indeed any time they don't get what they want they advocate and personally advance all three, which is why I have said the path we are on is leading to civil war.

Indeed, I believe we may have already entered that state.

Why?

There's quite a difference between refusing to associate with someone (legal and appropriate, and which I've repeatedly advocated for over the years) and assaulting them, threatening to kill them or burn up their property.

The left doesn't think so, however and whenever they don't get what they want they're not satisfied with simply refusing to associate with people they disagree with.  Nope; they harass, assault or both -- or worse, damn the Rule of Law to Hell.

Don't think this is limited to private parties either.  The PA AG advocated for and has threatened to try to compel speech.  Freedom of speech includes the freedom not to speak, which the USSC ruled on just now.  The PA Attorney General apparently doesn't believe the First Amendment exists and has stated, in public, that despite the highest court in the land confirming the First Amendment does exist that he'll keep "fighting" to compel people to speak as he likes.

Exactly how, Mr. Shapiro?  How long before you point a gun at someone's face when they don't speak as you command?

That's a state of civil war, whether declared or not and it's not just a matter for private parties as Shapiro has amply demonstrated government agencies are involved; we are merely arguing over when the shots start ringing out and it is those on the left threatening to, and in some cases actually initiating violence when they don't get what they want through peaceful political process.

Wake up folks.

This is not shunning, a legal thing to do.  It's not free speech either; also perfectly legal.  It's not voting either.

It's harassment, right on the edge of legality, assault (well over the line), terroristic threats (also well over the line) or worse, physical violence including inciting serious felonies.

Crowder recently chronicled a "chick" who posted a "wish" on social media that his van be burned or blown up.  Very much like Maxine Waters' recent speech or those putting up "Wanted" posters in DC right now.  Crowder confronted her on this and in response she gathered a bunch of other insane people to chant healthcare is a human right.

Was she arrested for what looks like a clear terroristic threat to commit arson?  Nope.  Were her social media accounts shut down by the so-called "unbiased" platforms (all with specific policies stating that such actions are cause for removal) for posting clear and specific incitement to violence against a specific person due to their political beliefs?  Nope.  How about the "organizations" she is a part of and stirred up?  Were they indicted?  Nope; nothing there either.

Last time I checked being blown up or arsoned wasn't part of the list of human rights.

Civil war?

Uh, yeah, that's where it's going and in fact it may have already started.  You just haven't seen the shooting start -- yet. 

Oh wait -- Steve Scalise would differ with that characterization, I suspect....

Now you know why shunning would have been a damn good idea quite some time ago.  It might have stopped this, instead of leading the left to believe they can do literally anything they want, no matter how outrageous -- or illegal -- and get away with it.

Without the Rule of Law you eventually wind up with The Law of The Jungle, exactly as we saw the beginning of during the 2016 campaign when violence was the response to a Presidential candidate desiring to hold a political rally in Chicago -- and not one person was arrested nor was the sponsoring organization, to which many of the violent protesters belonged and which sat back and let happen, held accountable.  Our refusal to demand that such persons and organizations meet lawful sanction for their violence and threats that crossed from legal shunning into assault and worse has emboldened them and led them to believe that any political loss is justification for violence.

Welcome to the Jungle, courtesy of Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi and many others.  It is merely a matter of time before this destroys any hint of so-called "prosperity", our economy and asset markets -- and that's just for starters.

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More range time and stockpiling of ammo is in order.

Social Media and reading the newspaper letters to the editor for IFF of the local landscape.

Doing my best to look like any normal 50 year old dude while CC everywhere.


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Its Crowder now Chowder, though Chowder sounds better.

When I see people like Maxine who gets re-elected with ease time after time even though she's a complete lunatic, it really makes me sad.

Funny you use the words "Civil War." I was thinking along those lines recently. The climate in this country has become so incredibly polarized (and increasingly so seemingly by the day), I don't know if we've seen anything like it in human history (to some degree because certain facets of modern life like the media are required to really create this polarization).
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As an online retailer, we are running into substantially more fraud. We must now block all orders where the CC doesn't match on everything due to card cloning and theft. We changed our policy that Billing and shipping must match. This will hurt our business, but it's better than $500 charge-offs for theft. We are seeing people buy stuff, have it signed for and then file a charge-back with their banks. The banks side with them and we lose the money and the product.
The civil war starts with poverty and when a group of people believe they are entitled to steal whatever they want. This entitlement empowers them to become more and more aggressive which will end in physical violence. It's already here folks and it won't be long before the S*&* hits the fan.
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For the conservative, when life presents great struggles, he/she knows she has the power to surmount them. Happiness stems from internal strength and perseverance. For the liberal, when life presents great struggles, the system failed, therefore they were at the mercy of a faulty system, and they believe that only when the system is fixed can their life improve.

A progressive liberals happiness is built on systemic contingencies, which they will then seek to control or expect someone else to. One holds herself accountable; the other holds anyone and everyone accountable except herself.

And there it is. Theres where the origin of hate comes from.

The liberal ideology causes that person to cast anger at the world when things go wrong or appear unfair. She constantly chooses only to see the injustices and that makes for a very miserable, toxic and blame-casting existence.


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"Without the Rule of Law you eventually wind up with The Law of The Jungle"

Exactly. Add to it... propaganda, lies peddled as truth, playing on emotions to warp the truth, allow crimes to go unpunished-better still reward it, screw law abiding people at every opportunity, peddle hatred as the way to go - You have all the ingredients for a civil war except the match.
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This ad is quite good I think, and all true.

DNC will respond with something similar, probably. Lots of dry wood and tinder getting piled up in the drought-ravaged forest of our nation.
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The smart ones will not wait until Trump is out of office to build an emergency stockpile of guns, grub and other goods.

Start purchasing now, because who and what comes after Trump probably won't be better; what happens after Trump is highly likely to be some kind of SHTF situation. Actually, Trump is doing everything I expected him to do, i.e., drive the establishment bat-**** crazy. Trump is really just a symptom of the historical polarization that is currently taking place in America. At some future point in time some influencial leader is going to say to the other side, "this country isn't big enough for Left and Right to peacefully coexist, so slap leather mother ****er!"

My advice is don't be the one to fire the first shot or punch, and dissuade anybody on the Right who thinks striking first is a good idea. Wait until the enemy makes the first violent move and than counterpunch or countershoot. Keep on peacefully educating people about the principals of Liberty until the time comes for The Second Amendment.
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This ad is quite good I think


Who is it here that said that "R's and D's are two heads of the same evil snake"?

I might find that ad a bit more palatable if the R's were really planning on standing up to the bull**** from the left. They don't have the balls - political or otherwise. (i.e. - voting to repeal Obamacare umpteen times when it didn't matter and then what did they do when they had the chance to rid the country of that abortion of a bill?)

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I think history has show many times in the past with nations at our point in their life cycle ( a decline) you either get a civil war or a revolution. I think a civil war is far more likely because the people are not, as a group, against government. Heck, about 45% want more government that will force people to do their bidding.

A book I found very interesting was Civil War Two (https://www.resist.com/Onlinebooks/CWII..... that predicts the breakup of the country into distinct regions based on their unique cultures like the South, Appalachia, South West,....

I for one think the triggers will revolve around (as Karl said here) acts of violence by the Left on persons and the movement to confiscate guns. As explained in one of Karl's earlier posts about the millions of folks who would die if the US government moved to restrict gun rights. The time table depends a lot the next Supreme Court judge (since Kennedy is leaving) and if Democrats regain majorities.

I think the end result will be the same, it is the timing that is the variable.

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Oh, it's not one more Justice -- it's TWO more.

One announced, Ginsburg is next out, and IMHO she's odds-on before Trump's first term ends. Dingy Harry killed the filibuster too so there's not jack and **** the Democrats can do about confirmation either.

That makes the court not 4-4 + leaning conservative, it makes it 7-2!

Think about what goes down, stare decisis or no, with that slant. If you think the liberals will not blow their lids and go full-on rage-monster, well, you better think again.

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Oh, it's not one more Justice -- it's TWO more.


I agree especially if the Rs hold the Senate. Odds are he will get another with Ginsburg being so long in the tooth and the liberals heads are already exploding. I watched a bit of CNN and MSNBC just after the announcement and they are going bat**** crazy...I am loving it.

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I'm not sure KD. RBD works out everyday and KNOWS that progressive/leftist America is depending on her to die on the bench. My Dad is a 6'3" (was) male, smoked until 40, drank until 50s, and turns 88 next month. Still mentally sharp, and physically well (for 88). I know data is not the plural of anecdote, but...

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Doesn't matter with Kennedy out its over. We're I her I'd bail as the fight is lost she may as well enjoy what's left on her own terms.

6-3 or 7-2 doesn't matter. Once you come off 4-5 there's no more real debate or horsetrading on the opinions since you don't need to do it to get the swing vote anymore.

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Doesn't matter with Kennedy out its over. We're I her I'd bail as the fight is lost she may as well enjoy what's left on her own terms.


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That's if traitor Roberts doesn't become the swing vote. Vader Ginsburg pulling out would officially seal the doom of the liberals.

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Once Kennedy is replaced it will be a solid 5-4. How are you getting 6-3 before rbg exits?
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It would make my day if Ginsberg retires and Trump nominates Ben Shapiro for her vacancy.
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i would bet serious money that the court will not repeal roe v wade no matter how many republicans are on it
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I might find that ad a bit more palatable if the R's were really planning on standing up to the bull**** from the left. They don't have the balls - political or otherwise. (i.e. - voting to repeal Obamacare umpteen times when it didn't matter and then what did they do when they had the chance to rid the country of that abortion of a bill?


Exactly Jack_crabb. That ad is intended to be little more than kindling to evoke emotional responses versus reason. Instead of calling the left out for the terrorist activities in appropriate places and demonstrating they are wrong what we have is nothing but more Alinksky style tactics coming from the Rethuglicans too. If one thinks either side really gives a damn about the people they "represent" he is seriously mistaken.

It's not about right vs wrong. It is about the choice of devils for subjugation.

Such ads further provoke the mentally/emotionally unstable. That ad was totally irresponsible. It is intended to do nothing but produce persons to be marked as the cannon fodder.

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As far as Roberts he may find himself to be the swinging vote............ These bastards better hope things don't go down the tubes. There is enough hatred on all sides and no one is safe.

In a civil uprising I can see DC becoming a militarized zone to protect the "representatives" from those they pretend to represent. When that happens government "of the people, by the people, for the people" is truly over.

Since the reps are no longer legitimate the next step is to consolidate power to an oligarchy or a dictator. The junior members of these groups will find themselves and their lives expendable. The first places to then be hit will be federal offices outside of DC as countermeasures to isolate the beast. Not a good time to be a government employee for sure and especially if you work for one of the block 3 letter agencies.

The biggest danger of civil war is that it weakens a nation. As we are focused upon internal enemies our external enemies will certainly be looking for opportunities to cause harm to the ENTIRE nation. An some internal enemies are likely in league with the external ones - in philosphy or otherwise.


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"The biggest danger of civil war is that it weakens a nation."

This is probably why there's so much foreign money funding the left-wing thugs who are trying to provoke it. Many people stand to benefit from a civil war in America.
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with the current geopolitical situation and interlinked economies, I would predict that a US civil war would at a minimum blow up the world economy, if not lead to a dark age. Something as simple as interrupting US food exports would cascade. There is a very interesting analysis of a British trucker strike I read awhile back, that revealed how close it came to lasting long enough to disrupting commerce to the point at which it would not have been able to restart without outside help. ( the main point being once fuel supplies get low enough you don't have enough fuel left to distribute it fast enough to get the ball rolling again before people starve. )
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"Without the Rule of Law you eventually wind up with The Law of The Jungle"

The left don't understand that the Rule of Law is not there to protect the law-abiding from criminals, it's there to protect criminals from the law-abiding.

If the law-abiding stop believing in the Rule of Law, it's open season on criminals.
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Hence my tag.
Criminals in suits or punk/thug attire.
It doesn't matter.

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Note well how the people inciting violence against conservatives are the same people trying to take away our best means of lawful self defense...
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