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2018-06-13 11:30 by Karl Denninger
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C'mon folks, this is outrageous.

UPDATE — Congress wants the killing of kittens at a Maryland lab run by the USDA and funded thru your tax dollars to stop. 7 On Your Side broke this story wide open earlier this month with help from the tax payer watch dog group White Coat Waste Project.

The Senate Appropriations Committee just passed a spending bill that asks the USDA to find alternative testing methods and develop a kitten adoption program. I-Team Investigative Reporter Scott Taylor discovered the Maryland lab has killed more than 200 kittens in the past five years.

The USDA has for decades run studies on toxoplasmosis.  It's a serious problem caused by a parasitic infection, and while it usually doesn't cause humans much trouble pregnant women are different matter entirely.  There is very real risk -- to human babies -- involved there.

So research, in general, is good.

What's not good is how they're doing it.

They're using kitten, and feeding them infected meat so they get infected.  Then running their experiments on the feces, which is where the risk is.

The problem is that they then kill the cats.

Now if the cats were inherently and irrevocably compromised then I guess I'd understand it.  Better a cat than a human, right, especially if ultimately it leads to a solution.

But that's not the case.  One of the reasons this particular condition is such a problem is that most of the time cats carry this parasite yet are only lightly sickened if they are clinically ill at all from having the infection.  That's part of the reason this is such a problem for human women; they have no idea their cat has the infection because kitty appears to be just fine, and mostly is.

Second, the infection is easily and cheaply treated.

So why not treat the kittens, cure them, then adopt them out?

The answer is that its easier to just kill them.

Yeah, well, **** you USDA.

Maybe we ought to run some experiments on some of those alleged "scientists", and then instead of curing them.....

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The Univ of Iowa had a research lab that used puppies for cleft palate surgery studies. It was gruesome, especially as not all the puppies needed to be killed, but either red tape or laziness kept them from being adopted out.

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Humans suck
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Some of those workers and decision makers no doubt get their rocks off killing, torturing and otherwise abusing things.
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Simply disgusting.

Used to work for pharmaceutical company 20+ years ago. Mice used for initial toxic screens and dogs (Beagles) often used in the metabolism studies to see where radio labeled drug ended up in the body and how it was excreted.

Poor dogs would literally start shaking and urinating on themselves if a human with a long coat came into the room. With some a specific voice would trigger that response. These animals often found homes after the studies but were so traumatized they were emotional basket cases.

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He is a Yellow Lab / Pit mix.
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sometimes i think that the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.

on a more sober note, it is a problem that veterinarians and adoption agencies do not routinely test for this parasite or others in cats or other pet animals. there is no regulation even though we often mandate other dubious pet care rules. i adore the creatures though will caution that this parasite and others that they can harbor are problematic for adults too; i know from experience.

as for people who torture children, the helpless and animals, oh to be supreme holy dictator for a day.

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This sort of thing doesn't surprise me in the slightest. All governments and most big businesses are all organized bureaucratically. As even Max Weber noted, bureaucracies dehumanize the people who have to deal with them because they are mere "cases", but they also dehumanize the people working in them. If people are dehumanized, animals are even more expendable.

Once you drink in the King's Shilling, and enlist or are conscripted, you are also considered expendable. This is why I never got excited about the Benghazi Mess. I once listened to a speech by our full bird colonel brigade commander the gist of which was that he was sending my small outfit out on a suicide mission. Fortunately, we had a crazy but very competent West Pointer as a CO, and he was dedicated to getting us back home alive. We were half the size of a line company, but were very heavily armed. He developed tactics like mad minutes, search and avoid missions, and my favorite--hiding. All the line companies in my battalion were badly mauled by the NVA, and we escaped unscathed. I realized very soon that my real enemies were most of the commissioned officers, who were very happy to sacrifice us to their career advancement. The NVA/VC were our opponents. I thought about the colonel's speech when I read the orations of Themistocles to his sailors and troops, and the speeches of Admiral Phormio to his sailors and troops in Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War. The latter speeches actually inspired their troops, the former filled us with dismay.

So, if people are expendable for most government agencies, animals are even more so. This is an inherent aspect of bureaucratic organization structures, and I don't see them being eliminated any time soon.
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My view on animal testing has changed as I have grown older. My daughter has 2 pet rabbits, and seeing very unique personalities, the ability to learn tricks, come when called, complex communication and social structures, etc, has caused me to rethink my viewpoint, or at least expand the moral gray area quite a lot. I am still not sure the alternative, but it bothers me more than it used to.
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I can see how the USDA gets there without malice. In America we euthanize about 2.4 MILLION dogs/puppies/cats/kittens a year. http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/pet_.... Stop and think about that number. 2.4 MILLION killed just because people don't get their pets fixed. I visited a Maryland shelter (Cumberland) with a friend who was adopting a dog from there, and it was insanely overcrowded with cats and dogs stacked up in carriers and cats just roaming the property. If the USDA treated and managed to get their kittens adopted that same number would additionally be killed by shelters as there are only so many homes.

The USDA not trying to adopt out the kittens is just a symptom of the larger problem of people not taking responsibility for pets and letting them breed, leading to society paying to have them killed.

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"I am still not sure the alternative, but it bothers me more than it used to."

Animal testing is probably on its last legs, except for cases like this where they're testing actual animal diseases. I've seen a number of articles in the last couple of years complaining about how slow and inefficient it is.

We're now reaching the point where we can grow miniature human organs to test drugs on, so that's likely to take over much of the work before we can simulate an entire human and run the tests in a computer.
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"In America we euthanize about 2.4 MILLION dogs/puppies/cats/kittens a year." and just think of all that wasted meat going up in flame, and all the carbon dioxide created! Some pajama trans should do the good deed and give the globebul warning guys a call!

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