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2018-04-14 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (KKTV) - There will be no jail time for two men involved in the brutal gang***** of a 13-year-old girl.

Like two other defendants before them Tommy Williams, 20, and Clarence Williams, 19, each received a minimum of 10 years of sex offender intensive supervised probation, with a maximum of life on probation.

Six animals gang*****d a 13 year old.  Now four of them have evaded going to prison for it, with two more to face sentencing.

So far none of them have gotten the decades-long prison sentences that are quite-obviously deserved for such an offense.

We're not talking about a question of consent or even whether consent was possible.  This was a brutal, violent act perpetrated on a girl by a gang of offenders who used brute force to assault her.

Is there any reason to believe that there is a thing called "justice" left in this country?  Do we have to start arming 13 year olds on a "carry everywhere" basis to put a stop to this crap?

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Goforbroke
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http://gazette.com/2-men-who*****d-color....
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But at the request of a prosecutor and the victim's mother, McHenry ultimately accepted the deals, sentencing brothers Tommy Williams, 20, and Clarence Williams, 19, to 10 years to life on sex offender intensive supervised probation.

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Defense attorneys assailed the girl's credibility, pointing to ways her story had changed over time and suggesting she had exaggerated or fabricated parts of her account to avoid getting in trouble herself. They focused on her marijuana use and past claims that she was older than her real age, sparking eruptions in court from relatives on both sides.

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Under plea bargains previously accepted in court, Tyron Uves Williams, 19, pleaded guilty last year to sexual assault on a child and was sentenced in February to 10 years to life on sex offender intensive supervised probation. James O'Neal Williams, 20, pleaded guilty in June 2017 to accessory to******and was sentenced in August 2017 to five years on probation.



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Yeah, the fact that someone has smoked a joint means they can't be raped.

Right?

RIGHT?

Gee, we're back to "don't wear pretty dresses" again? Or is that "Reefer Madness"?

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there is a growing movement to legitimize many of the more socially unacceptable paraphilia. one noteworthy cause is the acceptability of sexual activity between adults and young teens and prepubescent children. the arguments range from this is within the normal range of acceptable adult sexuality, that children are sexual beings and it does not really harm the children. once you get to this point in human depravity it is not a long journey for the justice system to become corrupted by the logic. we have moved from child******and most******in general being akin to murder in society to it being an offense where the perpetrator is not seen as evil. consequently the offender rehabilitation concept plays a greater role with the argument that this will channel what can be considered normal sexual urges.

those of us who volunteered a great portion of our lives to minister to the human consequences of uncaring, abuse and a debauched society respectfully disagree. and if we ever experience teotwawki, some of us are going hunting.

still want to live in that left-wing state?

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I don't understand. AT ALL.

However... If that was my daughter, it's one of those times where I'd just have to accept that jail is in my future.

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It seems too many prosecutors don't want to be bothered to do their jobs and actually do the hard work of trying a case. Instead they look for plea bargains and call it justice.

What these perps should have gotten was smiley
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I have a 13 year old girl. They would all be dead.

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That is only a couple of steps away from stoning the victim.

We aren't there yet but sure as Hell seems to be drifting that way in some cultures and communities.

Since the Pope is saying that there is no Hell, if that was my family member victimized, I would have to buy some gasoline and roast their asses myself.

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The first episode that I watched of LA Law, the defense suggested that the******victim was at the 7-11 getting munchies, and was looking for love.

I almost threw the TV out the window.
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Were they Mexicans or Blacks? I'm not sure Reefer Madness works for white guys. I'm pretty sure it's selective.
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I wouldn't be happy with life in prison. After conviction, find an old barn, U-bolt their genitals to a beam, hand them a dull, rusty knife, set the barn on fire and tell them they have a choice.

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They're lucky that wasn't my kid.

I would get quite creative.

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The beginning, middle and end of Law Abiding Citizen comes to mind.


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Carl Lee Hailey them.

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Well, after all, they ARE of the preferred pigmentation.

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At 13 the girl (or anybody) can't consent, throw on top of that she was impaired with an illegal substance (Yes CO is a legal MJ state, but it is still not for a 13 year old).

In my eyes the real perpetrators are the girls mother for accepting (See the girl is 13 she can not consent to excepting the deal) and the entire prosecuting office and society as a whole.

I have no doubt the men and fathers who have posted violence against these people would carry out their threats. And this is where the problem lies. NOT because these men and fathers would cause great harm to these people, but because there is a lack of men and fathers who would. My hat is truly off to you MEN who would.

The problem is society, the break down of the family unit and the general population looking for government to deliver them anything, especially justice. General society is being trained to focus on non-existent issues, while real crimes are being overlooked.

Where are the fathers? Where are the real men who would back these fathers up? The family unit has been destroyed by a government that mocks the family unit and pays women to have children without a father in the house.

The only issue I have with those men and fathers who would handle this type of situation with violence is, it is extremely unlikely your child will ever be in a similar situation, because your protection for them starts where it needs to, at home!

Why isn't the mother being charged with neglect? Where is the father? How many children are still in this woman's house?

Posters/readers from the PNW will know this story, but sadly those not in this area will probably not have heard it. Two white lesbian women adopted 6 black children and about a month ago drove them off a cliff in CA at 90mph killing everyone - Where is the outrage over this? 6 black children murdered in a vehicle by 2 lesbian women.

Men need to start being men again and women need to start being women again and start taking justice for their own.
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Where are the fathers? Where are the real men who would back these fathers up? The family unit has been destroyed by a government that mocks the family unit and pays women to have children without a father in the house.

Yep.

If some gang of thugs had done that to my kid when she was 13 their BEST BET would be to get a 20+ year prison sentence and serve every single ****ing day. I MIGHT have cooled down by then. If they got THIS sentence I'd wax 'em all and I'd make damn sure it hurt too. Yeah, I'd go to prison for it -- willingly -- but you can only execute me or give me a life sentence ONCE while I get ALL SIX of them. Six *******s will never do that again and I'll take my chances with the 12 in the jury box.

That's exactly the sort of inhibition that society NEEDS. A few FATHERS do that and this sort of **** will stop IMMEDIATELY because any jackass thinking about it will KNOW what the sentence is and that there's no escaping it either.

Oh, and the lesbian "wifey crash" apparently had the woman at the wheel drunk and the other "wifey" and at least one of the "kids" cranked on Benedryl. In a decent percentage of people, myself included, Benedryl produces extreme drowsiness -- I keep it around as it's a seriously-powerful OTC antihistamine that can knock down SEVERE allergic reactions, but the side effects (basically knocking you out for 12+ hours!) suck in a LARGE percentage of the population. Now add to that the fact that it appears the SUV was intentionally driven off the cliff (no attempt to brake or steer evident on the roadway or shoulder) and what do you got? Yeah.

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This reminds me of the Rotherham, et al abuse scandals that the UK is currently coming to grips with. Older non-white men gang******a young teen -- who I'll bet my bottom dollar is white -- and the authorities let them go because she was secretly longing for it. She was a right little tart, that one! That was basically the reasoning here - she was smoking dope and her story had a few inconsistencies, so she was totally down with getting screwed by six men she didn't know. At once. At the tender age of 13.

In reality, when I look at the pics of the accused, I can't help but wonder if there isn't a social justice angle here just as there is in Britain.
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Of course there is.

Then again there is here in Florida too. A number of years ago I wrote a Ticker on a loser who's first "adventure" was carjacking (with a gun, of course.) They let him out after a couple of years.

His second time around was sexual assault -- on a girl (14 or 15, if I remember correctly.)

They let him out again.

The third time he blasted a Marshal in the face with a shotgun who came to serve a warrant on him.

Yeah.

Oh, and this was in a rather "red" part of the state too.

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I have no doubt you would, as you should. And if I am reading your post correctly, once these fiends were in custody you would have excepted an actual punishment on them. And IMHO 20 years is a lax punishment, but you would have excepted it. Anything short of that, justice was not done and you would do the right thing by your child and make sure she knows YOU protected her. That would not change the facts of what did happen, but she would know she was/is loved.

One of the reports I heard was the lady driving the SUV in excess of 90mph. 6 kids killed, yet nary a harsh would is spoken about the women who killed them, only how the system has failed them.

I considered foster parenting here in WA state and got pretty far in the process, but the requirements were insane. One of which was providing a specified "safe area" for the kids (ok I get that, but the safe area was much greater than what I gave my own kids) The system does not want people like me, who will hold the child accountable, the system wants weak people who are only in it for the money, granted that is not all cases as there are some wonderful people doing wonderful things for these children, but the vast majority are only in it for the state money.

Why are so many kids in the system? Break down of the family, were fathers are only expected to pay for the child, not care for them and without that the female does not need the man. Yes, there are always going to be mothers and fathers who are worthless, but the state is paying people to become worthless.

My kids know I would have done the same for them as you would for yours so they have grown up knowing they are not victims to bad people and worse victims to the system.
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"The third time he blasted a Marshal in the face with a shotgun who came to serve a warrant on him."

But if had been picked up for a bag of weed the first time, he would still be in jail.

Thank God we are keeping dope smokers off the streets.
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Yeah, and then of course there's the "gun control" thing -- obviously that jack and **** to keep him from getting the shotgun, despite being a two-time felon.....

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After seeing that justice was NOT done within the legal system, if the father of the victim decided to mete out his own brand of justice to the perps, were I on the jury, I would certainly vote to acquit on any charges related to such actions that he might be brought to trial for.

Further, in this situation, I would render the same verdict if the father had decided to include the prosecutor and the judge as part of the trash that needed to be disposed of..

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Now who was it that wanted to put the age of consent to 12? These people should die in a fire. We are in a war folks and we must win or else all is lost.

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I don't think being gang raped by six dudes has much to do with consent irrespective of age.

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