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2018-04-12 12:30 by Karl Denninger
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Boehner: Thinking has 'evolved'?
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Well well look what we have here.

‘I’m convinced de-scheduling the drug is needed so we can do research, help our veterans, and reverse the opioid epidemic ravaging our communities.’

Not re-schedulingde-scheduling.

In other words, doing the right thing and removing marijuana (and its derivatives) from federal drug laws entirely.

It's about damn time.

The facts are that marijuana, listed as a "Schedule I" drug, is factually listed there under false pretense.  Simply put a drug winds up on Schedule I if it has no accepted medical use and a high potential for addiction or other serious abuse.

Marijuana and its derivatives fit neither criteria.  It is not physically addictive in any form and has well-known and accepted medical use, with the most-profound being in children with severe seizure disorders that often respond to nothing else.

In some forms (e.g. CBD preparations) it has zero addictive potential since those preparations have such a tiny quantity of psychoactive compounds in them that you're incapable of getting stoned by using them.

Marijuana and its psychoactive derivatives (those with more than a small amount of THC) can be psychologically addictive yet that is true for virtually all substances and acts that modify one's consciousness or bodily process.  Indeed, running is psychologically addictive as I can personally attest -- yet nobody would talk about scheduling running shoes (or banning them as "drug paraphernalia") in any sort of serious fashion.

Caffeine, and preparations containing it (e.g. coffee), which I happen to enjoy, are physically addictive.  If you're a coffee drinker on a regular basis and stop drinking it for a couple of days you'll figure this out the hard way -- withdrawal produces nasty headaches that are utterly unresponsive to NSAIDS such as aspirin and ibuprofen.  They take days to subside too.  It is entirely possible to "overdose" on caffeine and die as well; it's difficult to do, but not impossible.  Yet I can buy coffee literally anywhere and there is no age restriction on its purchase of any sort either.

Alcohol, of course, is sold everywhere but age-restricted and taxed quite-heavily.  Alcohol has no accepted medical use and it has a moderate potential for abuse.  It is both psychologically and physically addictive and can, in severe cases of addiction, kill you during withdrawal.  It can also kill you due to acute poisoning; a BAC of over 0.3 puts you in the danger zone and 0.45% is the LD-50 -- the BAC where 50% of those who get there will die.  Yet last night I sat in a bar, had a nice conversation with some people there, ate some wings and...... drank alcohol.  All of this was legal and before operating my vehicle I checked my BAC to make sure I was under the lawful limit of 0.08%.  Yes, I have a meter in my glove box ($100 for that, plus $20 to have it re-calibrated annually, is a hell of a lot cheaper than a DUI, never mind stopping several of my friends from driving over the last several years by convincing them to blow into it before they got into their cars.)

It's literally physically impossible to overdose and die on marijuana.  You can get ridiculously stoned to the point of being incapacitated until it wears off but it's impossible to kill yourself smoking or eating it.

Prohibiting people from driving while stoned (and arresting them for DUI if they do) needs no new law; it's already illegal.  Colorado's test point (as an example) is ridiculously low (well below the point of intoxication, in fact, which is a problem since it allows them to bust you when you're not stoned but have consumed some 12 hours previously!) but that's fixable through scientific study and appropriate amendment.  Indeed I've long argued that the best impairment tests would be those that are substance-agnostic; it would be pretty-trivial to design and have certified a reaction time and coordination test much like a handheld video game that would reliably test on a roadside basis whether you're in decent-enough condition to drive.  Lawmakers don't like this idea however, as it would cause many not-stoned but very-impaired (e.g. elderly) people to fail and be arrested.  That should happen; if it's too dangerous to drive if you're impaired to that degree on booze or weed then it's also too dangerous for you to drive if you're impaired to that degree due to age or any other condition.

Yeah, Jeff Sessions doesn't like weed.  **** him.  He doesn't get to make laws any more since he's no longer in the Senate.

Congress has that authority.

So Congress -- where are you?  I'll write it for you:

As of the signing of this legislation:

1. The drug commonly known as "marijuana", the plants of the genus Cannabis and products and preparations made from same are hereby removed and exempt from Federal Drug Scheduling under the Controlled Substances Act (21 USC Chapter 13, Sub1, Part B, Sec 812.) and 21 CFR 1308.

2. The specific reference to marijuana shall be removed from federal firearms regulation and law by specific mention, including on Form 4473 in question 11(e), rendering it no different than any other non-controlled substance.

That's it.

So who has the balls to introduce that, champion it and force it through the President's desk?

Do it now -- before the midterm elections.

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Whether Boehner's thinking has "evolved", or whether he discovered there is money to be made, he has come out in favor of de-scheduling. I hope it's because his thinking has evolved, but I'm not betting on that. However, whatever it takes to get the job done is a plus in my book.

This could definitely have a major impact on the '18 elections.

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I fully agree with the Ticker, but methinks Bo(eh)ner proves himself to be a *****'s *****.

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De-scheduling would also have a significant effect of "gun violence" both domestically and in Mexico. A multi-billion dollar black market would evaporate.

I wonder if some resistance comes from fear of litigation from those incarcerated for non-violent MJ offenses?

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Why does it not surprise me you have a BAC meter... I simply abstain for the most part.

Can't agree more with your assessment. I've been screaming about this issue for 20 years.

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Why does it not surprise me you have a BAC meter... I simply abstain for the most part.

It's actually more-functional in stopping friends from driving when they shouldn't than policing my own consumption. I strongly dislike the after-effects of being drunk (God "blessed" me with nasty hangovers) so to actually drink enough to be over the legal limit I'd be well into "you're gonna pay for this *******" territory anyway.

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Karl to drunk friend - Blow this tube or blow Bubba's "tube"... Your choice...

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They will like weed once the "weed" lobbyists show up with their check books.
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@Cobra2411 --
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"If you're a coffee drinker on a regular basis and stop drinking it for a couple of days you'll figure this out the hard way -- withdrawal"

Nah, - not with everyone.

I still don't get headaches when I stop.

And a few times I stopped from 15 cups a day
to zero, and still no headache.

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Hahaha... nice try.

The 0.45 was from the booze in her mouth, not her blood. If she ACTUALLY scored a 0.45 she'd be up against the LD50 -- and 3 shots isn't enough to do that -- not even close.

I might try the peanut butter sometime and see if it depresses the reading, but of course the cop's way to get around that is to make you wait a few minutes!


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8 years ago I quit drinking alcohol and started smoking weed again after a 27 year lay off, I lost 35 lbs. Then about 4 years ago after reading and following Karl's wisdom on macro nutrition, I have lost another 40 lbs or I could say, I lost 75 lbs from smoking weed. :)))
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