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2018-02-14 10:35 by Karl Denninger
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The Utter Scam of 'Match'
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Oh please.

Of course on V-day Match is being touted by Cramer and friends on CNBS.

Let's cut the crap; the reality of such "sites" is that men, on average, must send dozens of messages to get even one reply -- and no small part of that is that a huge percentage of messages sent literally go into a black hole.

Women, on the other hand, have a "slightly" different experience.

What's worse is the enormous number of fake or old and unused profiles.  Of course these sites never disclose the statistics on any of that, because just like Facesucker the entire reason for you to sign up is that you believe there are all these thousands if not millions of people who might want to meet you.

Match is not just match either; they have dozens of "disparate" properties, so they say.  Over the last decade or so IAC, which spun off Match as a separate firm, has basically hoovered up all the online dating sites that mattered, forming an effective monopoly on that part of the economy and destroying the business opportunity for those who might want to enter the space.

This leads to the obvious question:  How "disparate" are the various "brands"?  Good question.  The company says it has 7 million paying customers but how many profiles are out there, how many are duplicates automatically copied from one to another (but impossible to get a reply from since the original person is not on the second, third or "N"th site) and how many are either fakes or so old they look like something out of a Pirates of the Caribbean movie character on board The Flying Dutchman?

Am I surprised that their stock is on a tear?  Not at all.  Nobody polices the claims of anyone anymore, and enticing someone to buy something that winds up being a black hole into which one pours time and effort, along with money, and gets nothing back is insanely profitable and makes the stock market go up -- and we know nobody in a regulatory area will do anything that harms that sort of "growth."

Even when blatantly caught cheating, which recently happened at one "Match" property.

I note that Cramer didn't bring that rather clear scam up during the pumpfest appearance this morning, and it has gotten no wide distribution anywhere else in the media either.

Gee, I wonder why.....

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Bodhi
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I'd never trust a dating site to safeguard my data. The following excerpt is from a book I'm currently reading, Future Crimes by Marc Goodman:

When you are the product of Internet and social media companies, the challenge you face is that data you provide in one context can be used in unexpected ways in another, with notable consequences. Such is the case with the highly popular free dating site OkCupid. Users seeking dates are asked to fill out questionnaires on the site, and most presume, wrongly, that the data they provide remain exclusively within the OkCupid system, used solely for the purposes of finding a suitable match for a date. Yeah, right! To allegedly get the best matches, OkCupid asks users a bevy of deeply personal questions about their number of past sexual partners, whether they support abortion rights, whether they own a firearm, if they would sleep with somebody on a first date, if they smoke cigarettes, and if they drink alcohol frequently or use illegal drugs (including which drugs and how often). At least thats what users see on their screens when completing their profiles

What they dont see is the fifty or so companies with whom OkCupid shares this information, including ad firms, data brokers, and marketers.
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Happy MGTOW Day !!!

Actually one of the biggest bubbles that is out there right now is : Wymyn.

A below average woman, say a 4 out of 10 will literally get hundreds of emails a week from thirsty simps begging her for sex. These women have become so used to this behavior that they essentially are now ignoring all men who are not an 8 or up - because 'Chad' is just out there to pump and dump as many as he can as fast as he can. So a 'normal' dude on a modern dating site literally has zero chance of success. Ironically enough it is the MEN who pay for memberships on these sites, not the women.

Thus a bubble. An immense one actually as most 4's come with the added bonus of a 100 extra pounds nowadays.

Going to be fascinating to see what happens to all this when the economy lets go.
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Maximum Gross Take Off Weight?

I met the woman of my dreams 4 years ago, on a free site. At one point while dating I signed up for Match - found the exact same women there so I cancelled.
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I met the woman of my dreams 4 years ago, on a free site. At one point while dating I signed up for Match - found the exact same women there so I cancelled.

That's because there AREN'T separate companies, although they all claim they are.

That's part of the fraud.

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Men Going Their Own Way.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/
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Was on Match 10 years ago and starting late last year, started getting matches again even though I never logged in or requested anything from them and am not a paying member. The funny thing is that they are the same age match I had 10 years ago. Now they are adding a second group at my current age and not impressed at all. You read their profiles with their 15 photos and they still think they are 30 years old. I am betting that my profile is one of the millions they are boasting..............
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somewhat related to your earlier article, sex sells. or at least the hope of it.

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There's no problem with selling hope.

There is a large problem when you're lying about it.

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yep like when Obama sold us HOPE and change dressed as fraud. shame that we cannot prosecute politicos for lying about facts. this would radically change the world, surprised no one has ever thought of it.

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"Be not deceived; God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (Gal. 6:7)
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Ck wrote..
Men Going Their Own Way.

That makes way more sense
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That's because there AREN'T separate companies, although they all claim they are.

That's part of the fraud.

Yet another business model.

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Around 2000, I had a Match profile.

Found a few dates (not my wife), but a lot of fraud.

Haven't logged in since about 2003. Wonder if that profile is still floating out there.
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Probably.

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I think Amazon will have a bustling business in sex toys for men and women, when this all blows up.

It might become their core business. It's not like they're not experienced in ****ing their customers over....

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Also keep in mind that Chelsea Clinton sits on the Board of Directors at IAC. I'm sure she adds tons of value outside of Mommy & Daddy's connections. IAC owns Tinder, PlentyofFish, etc. As we saw with the AshleyMadison hack a few years back, the data stored by those networks can and will be used to blackmail participants of those services. In a world where the law is ignored, and just the recent history of the DNC and her Mommy, I can't express how creepy it is to me the opportunity she has to potentially access this data.

Chelsea Clinton - BoD @ IAC:
http://iac.com/about/leadership/board-di....

If this bothers you too, here is the list of sites to avoid:
http://iac.com/brands
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I actually have a female neighbor who is on OKCupid. She is in her late 20s, gorgeous when she is fat and stunningly gorgeous when she is not, unbelievably smart, lives with her kid with her parents (who are in the one percent). She is however bat**** crazy.
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Bat**** crazy is a serious problem.

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I have determined that the price of my personal information is worth the value I get out of OKCupid. The questions are excellent, and you can weed out a lot of, shall we say, questionable people. For instance, there is a question, "Do you believe in dinosaurs?" You select the appropriate answer for your match, and your own answer. Weightings are: 100 (very important), 10 (somewhat important), and 1 (a little important). I require "yes", but I answered no, but qualified it with a comment that "I also do not believe in air, and dihydrogen monoxide is the greatest public health threat in the United States today". Hopefully the sarcasm is lost on those whom I would not like to date. The heavy weighting I put on it also helps ensure that I don't find someone who goes to church more than once a week.

There are other questions, and you can game those in such a way that you get people you are more likely to be compatible with. Most people will tell you that online dating is a numbers game; the more you appeal to, and the more people you meet, the more likely you will find someone.

I find this idea patently ridiculous. Moving volume in the dating world is fine, if all you want is to get laid. But you can do that easily by visiting a bar and systematically undermining a woman's self-esteem until such time she agrees to sleep with you; doing so to improve her self image. I do not think myself a psychopath, so I refrain from this strategy.

Dating is a niche operation. Every individual is a different person, with unique qualities and unique desires. That we should suppress those differences, and pander to the least common denominator strikes me as strange. I am an odd person; maybe the education system has made everyone cookie-cutter, but I am not. I don't want my wife to be cookie-cutter either. OKCupid lets me eliminate those who are.

OKCupid also keeps track of when people have logged on; you can filter on it. They also weed out their accounts; it has happened to me.

The company is the same as Match, I think, but Match will set me up with people who don't believe in dinosaurs. So target your advertising, I'll target the ladies. It's a fair trade to me.
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"Bat**** crazy is a serious problem."

Well, her husband-for-six-months has been utterly destroyed as a human being. As a fellow female, I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, she is so amazing that I think he should feel privileged to have been wrecked by her - sort of like having been cracked up by a once in a millennium storm. And he should have seen it coming from a mile away. And he ended up being a ****-up himself. On the other hand, he had a happy life, one that suited him perfectly, and now it is all gone, permanently. I would think that the existence of the kid would make up for a lot, but I am very sure that it doesn't for him (I hope it will someday); if he could go back and never meet her he would. But, alas, a high percentage of females are more or less crazy; at best you can avoid the massively destructive experiences (I don't need to add that men can be equally a mess in their own way).
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Live life is the best way to meet people.

Do what interests you and you will meet like minded individuals.
Don't put life on hold because you are afraid to go out alone.


If all you want is sex, join a Swingers Club.
Even there you need social skills and to be presentable.



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"I think Amazon will have a bustling business in sex toys for men and women, when this all blows up."

Biggest seller of 2020 will be the Alexa sex doll.
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"Alexa, blow me!"

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After my divorce I tried out several of the online dating sites under encouragement by friends. I didn't have any trouble meeting real women but I attribute most of that to not looking to land a 22yr old perfect 10. Recall it wasn't necessarily difficult to weed out suspect profiles, but I was looking 25-35 age range and finding a lot of what I'd call leftovers.

Everyone I met definitely carried baggage but most were just desperate women who had always been the bridesmaid and never the bride. Suppose I could've made a LTR out of that but I steered clear. Never killed my profiles so I'm sure someone is still thinking they have a chance with a 10 year younger me.

Meanwhile I found my would-be wife the old fashioned way, at a bar. smiley

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Kareninca wrote..

As a fellow female, I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, she is so amazing that I think he should feel privileged to have been wrecked by her


i cannot even imagine what you mean by that. are you saying that females such as yourself are incapable of empathy for the other half if one of the crew is somehow in possession of some characteristics you deem worthy of the experience. incredible beauty and overall high sex appeal do not have to be exclusive of high moral character and goodness. i know.

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There are two ways to be rich: One is by acquiring much, and the other is by desiring little.
snow, seasons, distance and dirt roads: SSDD
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (Gal. 6:7)
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