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Political death awaits Donald Trump; the grim reaper has his scythe at the ready, and the undertaker is peeking his head around the corner.

Immigration "deal" eh?  Yeah, ok.  Let's review, shall we?

DACA: A flatly illegal act by President Obama.  He had no authority under the Constitution nor law to intentionally ignore several hundred thousand violators of US immigration laws.  It does not matter that they were children when they came here.  Their parents were not prosecuted and thrown out of the country either, may I remind you.  If the parents had been prosecuted and deported they would have (obviously) taken their children with them.

President Obama should have been impeached and then tossed in prison for that.  If you or I did it we would have been.  We're not supposed to have a King, but rather a President.  Any act of "regularize" these people without them first leaving and going to the back of the line simply ratifies lawless behavior.

Yes, I know some of them are "productive citizens" and have gotten educations, including in some cases college degrees.  But many of them are welfare leaches in some form or fashion.  Many have no aspiration other than the government teat.  Some are felons.  That's the problem with throwing the door open like this and refusing to enforce the law -- you get some good people and some bad.  And no, taking in the bad to get the good is not acceptable or necessary.

Any act that "regularizes" these individuals, especially if it leads to citizenship, is an outrage.  We put up with that crap once with Reagan.  Do it again, Trump, and you're ****ed politically with a material percentage of the people who voted for you.  I remind you that you didn't win by many votes, and you'll lose next time if you do this.  That's a guarantee.

The "****hole" comment.  What, the truth sucks?  There are plenty of third-world ****holes on this planet.  May I remind you that all governments exist with the consent of the governed which means if you have the balls, collectively, you can fix it.  If you want to.  Most of these people don't want to with enough of a burning desire to actually take the risk, including the risk of spending their life, in order to do so.  That's why these third-world ****holes exist.

Haiti is one of them.  Decades of corruption and extraction by the so-called "leaders", which the people lapped up instead of lopping off heads, made it so.  The reefs that used to hold plentiful fish were dynamited by the local people because it was easier.  Yes, they got all the fish this way.  Once, at the cost of destruction of the habitat, and now there are many fewer fish.  That's not just stupid it's blatantly so.  To hunt animals to extinction by destroying their habitat means you have no more animals!  Duh.

The mudslides the island experiences every time there is tropical weather are a consequence of outrageous clear-cutting of the land which destroyed the natural anchoring of the soil.  That too was an intentional act in some cases by Haitians and in others by foreigners that exploited the nation and have never been held to account for what amounts to an act of genocide.  Then there are the Clintons, who literally looted the nation and they too walk free; indeed there are allegations that Chelsea may have funded her own ****ing wedding with donations to relief efforts there made to the family foundation that never took place.  There's also the "wee" little matter of kids and possible human trafficking.

Of course we have listed, US corporations involved in this too.  Labadee and Royal Caribbean anyone?  I've been there.  It's a captive beach, basically and if you look closely you can see the razor wire around it.  Gee, I wonder why they need that if everything is a nice, beautiful sandy beach?  Uh huh.

Then there's the expected; when you don't want to talk about all the rich and powerful people who were directly involved in looting said lands and people -- those firms that clear-cut the trees and benefited from the graft and corruption, for example -- you pull the race card.

Donald Trump promised to stop the flow of illegals and send all of the invaders who were already here back home.

Either do it, Mr. President, or **** off and resign.

Do neither and you'll not only own the impending market drawdown -- yes, there's going to be one, and you've been stupid enough to base your popularity on the stock market's performance -- but you'll also own the backlash both this year and two years down the road when you will lose in a landslide.

I'll vote for Bernie Sanders before I vote for a liar.  I disagree with damn near every one of his policy positions but at least I know he means what he says while you, sir, do not.

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Here is my understanding of the situation:

1.) The Obama executive order on DACA was likely unconstitutional, and Trump, I think believes that they should stay. However, due to pending litigation, if that order were determined unconstitutional, Trump would have been forced to start deporting them forthwith, as we know where all of them are. So he rescinded the EO, and put the matter to Congress, where it belongs. Hilariously, the 9th Circus (I think) has developed some sort of legal theory where the executive cannot reverse an executive order. Trump insistence on following the law, is of course, racist.
2.) Trump has decided to end the Temporary Protection of some people who have been here temporarily since as long ago as 1998. The word "temporary", being in common use in this country, is not an SAT word, so apparently our enlightened and educated betters on the Left do not know what it means. Hence the 20 years of temporary for the Hondurans, and 8 years of temporary for the Haitians.
3.) Trump called some places "****holes". Places and conduct of their rulers, objectively abhorrent, are OK because the word "****" is a foul word, and because, apparently, certain people are not to be considered accountable to any sort of moral standard. Because Racism.
4.) Because Trump understands the meaning of "temporary" and has the authority to put an end to decades of temporary, we now face a shutdown of the government. The government exists to serve (allegedly) its citizens, so to protect the interests of non-citizens, we are going to eliminate services to the citizens.

Some interesting points from the foreign media on this. The Financial Times today has a story, and they put the words "racist" in quotes. I believe this to mean that they do not want to associate themselves with that judgement, as people in foreign countries may believe that moral conduct and its consequences transcend racial boundaries.

The Economist has not yet weighed in on the comments, but this week's issue has an article on the deaths of a few hundred mental patients in South Africa, the blame for which they roundly lay on the governmental corruption of Jacob Zuma. The print edition went to press before the Great Racism of the Donald. They also make the case that as distasteful as he may be, he should not be impeached or removed by the 25th Amendment without due process of law.

This country, particularly the Left, has gone abjectly insane.
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Most of these peopledon't want to with enough of a burning desireto actually take the risk, including the risk of spending their life,in order to do so. That's why these third-world ****holesexist.


Just wondering your philosophy/thought on WHY these populations make these choices? (clear cutting, the dynamite fishing, etc.) All the short-sighted, instant-gratification, in the moment decisions that prove to be ruinous over the long term.

Is it an IQ thing? Are these populations incapable of understanding the benefits to "deferred gratification". I know western populations seem incapable of that too the way we rack up debt, but what is it about these "**** hole" populations that make it seemingly impossible for them to pull themselves outta these situations and "right the ship" so to speak?


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Is it an IQ thing? Are these populations incapable of understanding the benefits to "deferred gratification". I know western populations seem incapable of that too the way we rack up debt, but what is it about these "**** hole" populations that make it seemingly impossible for them to pull themselves outta these situations and "right the ship" so to speak?

So about that IQ thing and what we've done with the medical situation, to just name one example.....

The people who dynamited the reefs knew good and ******n well that it would destroy the habitat. Literal generations of Haitians had fished there for their food source and were WELL AWARE that it was directly because of the reef below that there were fish living in that place.

THEY BLEW IT UP ANYWAY.

Ditto for those who allowed the clear-cutting. Tropical weather had been impacting the island FOREVER, and while the storms were always bad the mudslides didn't happen because of the trees. The people who lived there knew the vegetation was the protective factor that kept 10" of rain from turning into a ruinous event that destroyed the village at the bottom of the hill YET WHEN THE MEN WITH THE SAWS SHOWED UP THEY DID NOT EAT THEM IMMEDIATELY.

Just as we didn't when Spamazon robbed us all via the USPS, or when the medical thieves did so in the hospital (hell, we do that MILLIONS OF TIMES A ****ING YEAR and plenty of the people who go in KNOW DAMN WELL they have a death sentence on their heads -- WHY NOT KILL THEM ALL?) or when FAMILIES sign over literally EVERYTHING to the ****ing government in order to fund some SCAM university "degree" for their kid -- and wind up paying THE TUITION, FEES AND DORM CHARGES OF THE TWO KIDS NEXT TO HIM IN CALCULUS CLASS!

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Stupidity, like morality, transcends racial boundaries.
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^^ Exactly

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/nod

Pretty much makes it a moral thing. Still wonder if there's a relationship between IQ and morality..

I dunno. Seems like as we've gone "Godless" so to speak, we've been incapable of hanging on to our morality. Do most people on this planet need to be told by a God "thou shalt not"? Are most people, absence a god telling them the rule to live by, incapable of getting there on their own?


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To be fair, Obama only added to this by building off of what Ragan, Bush and Clinton did. Had the rule of law been upheld beginning 20+ years presious, there is no way Obama could have survived the back lash.

Had the rule of law been upheld under Reagan, Bush and... and the Savings & Loan fraud been prosecuted instead of covered up, there is a good chance 2007-8 would have never taken place.

I have stated many time previously, I do not blame someone for trying to better their lives and sometimes that means stepping on or over people and breaking the laws. But when or if that person/s are caught, they should be severely punished.

People from ****hole countries come here to get out of their ****holes. Bankers, companies and politicians, steal from us to better their lives.

And these are the reasons we have rules and laws in place and that is to prevent the greedy or wanton criminal from harming general society in mass. Laws should be in place and upheld for crimes that cause harm to others. Yet Trump and Sessions have caused general society to debate the whole marijuana legality again.

So while FaceBook, Twitter and water cooler people discuss victimless crimes, general society is getting raped and spit roasted by thieves from both ends.

If someone whats to better their lives, I say GREAT!!!!! But when they get a free pass and "We" are called racist and other names because we want the rule of law to apply to them, but it doesn't, well where does society go from there?

I had very little trust in Trump to begin with, but when you have a choice between the She-Devil and an unknown, it seems to make sense to put that little trust into the unknown.

Why do "We" continue to abide by this?

Don't people realize that when you let people come into our country illegally from ****holes, we slowly become the same ****hole.

Don't people realize that when we let others i.e. Banks, steal our wealth from us, we only expedite our descent into the ****hole?

Bernie Sanders is a fool and a thief like the rest of them and Trump is too busy trying to MAGA.... HA... Make Trumps Ego Enormouser MTEE.

You speak the truth - ILLEGALS!!! from ****holes do not belong here) and you are called names. You speak the truth about the blatant stealing in health care and education (Just to name two) and you are called ignorant and compassionate.

Yet general society seems more interested in arguing over victimless crimes than the theft of theirs and their children future.

Where do we go from here?


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Off-topic:
"Mark Lambert, 54, of Mount Airy, Maryland, was charged in an 11-count indictment with one count of conspiracy to violate the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA) and to commit wire fraud, seven counts of violating the FCPA, two counts of wire fraud and one count of international promotion money laundering. The charges stem from an alleged scheme to bribe Vadim Mikerin, a Russian official at JSC Techsnabexport (TENEX), a subsidiary of Russias State Atomic Energy Corporation and the sole supplier and exporter of Russian Federation uranium and uranium enrichment services to nuclear power companies worldwide, in order to secure contracts with TENEX."

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-pr....

Hat-tip to Zero Hedge. As usual, no link, but remarkably the commenters don't seem to have blamed the Jews yet.

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Just like it's human nature for the rich and powerful to take advantage of others, it's also human nature to try to improve your position at the expense of others. It doesn't need to be any more complex than "I need wood to cook those fish I had to have to eat." Only when your position climbs above a simple scramble for existence can you afford to even contemplate how you're affecting others.

Most people don't bother though.

It's not an IQ thing. Beyond survival drives, it's an empathy thing.

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While, as you point out, there are many things wrong with DACA involving basic principles and indirect costs to society, one other thing that really stands out to me that is never brought up either by the bleeding hearts supporting DACA or even the opponents thereof is the in-your-face DIRECT costs to ordinary tax-paying citizens.

It costs, as a national average, roughly 11K a year in taxes to "educate" one child in the K-12 public school system. Ignoring for a moment the fact that many (or most?) of these DACA kids consume even more due to ESL, etc., etc. programs and that many of the families may have collected taxpayer-funded assistance of some kind, that means that every single DACA kid who has gone through K-12 has sucked $143K directly out of the taxpayers by the time they graduate from HS. Assuming the DACA recipients earn the median national individual income of $27K starting right out of HS, it will take many decades of paying state taxes just to break even with what they have extracted from the taxpayers just for their HS diploma.

Yes, we also give the equivalent of a decades-long, interest-free $143K loan to Americans, but, they are citizens and that's the funding system we have for public education and we're stuck with it. However, it is unconscionable to forcibly extract additional money from taxpayers to provide the same for foreigners, and illegal ones, to boot.

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Peterm - It is even worse then that.

Many schools get direct incentives to keep kids in programs that keep them dependent on government hand outs.

True story - Two families up from Mexico, they are friends, both produce a daughter about the same time.

Both children are "eligible" for state assistance, childcare, food, housing costs. One mother refuses to except these the other takes what is being offered.

Both children are placed (By force) into "migrant" programs offered by the public schools. One mother REPEATEDLY takes her daughter out of the migrant program only to have the child placed in it time and time again.

Both daughters get good grades, the one who stayed in the migrant programs, is offer the Bill and Melinda Gates scholarship. The other one gets excepted into University of Washington.

The one going to UW struggles like any other student, but she succeeds and now has a very good job, has all but paid off her student loan and is living a good life (Still getting things figured out, but aren't we all)

The one placed and kept in migrant programs, the one given a free college education, flunked out of school and to the best of my knowledge is still living in the same town she grew up in and is receiving state benefits.

One did it through hard work and only asking for assistance from those close to her. The other expected stuff to be given to her.

People come to this county to better themselves and when the state gives them hand outs, they tend not achieve to the level they should.

The $143k theft you refer to is worse then that, as often times the child is trained to receive handouts not a hand up.

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@Mangymutt,

Also, the ones that go through the system with all the handouts from the government are not going to vote out the politicians who ensured they would be taken care of from cradle to grave. And they perpetuate the crime with their kids, and their kids' kids, and thus it multiplies over time. Is America a great country, or what??!

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****hole countries ****ting out brown turds who have been welcomed into America ever since the 1960s. And has it made America great? Has immigration, both legal and illegal, in its current, modern form made America great? No. And shipping in frozen, white, Marxist turds from Norway won't help either, Trump, I'll tell you that.

And what of the concept of immigration? Did immigration help the American Indian? My step-father is Native American. And he would laugh in your face if you tried to sell him the "diversity bull****"... Modern diversity, as that Marxist ****head, Bernie Sanders, wants, has only made America less great, not more. Yeah, yeah you can cherry pick examples of modern diversity who are indeed benefiting America; however, importing tens of millions of government-loving ****heads from ****holes shall only make matters worse. Cherry picking who gets in from the ****holes is fine with me, by the way, but eating a **** cake is not.

Hey! You Dumb****! Didn't anybody learn anything from Rome's mistakes? Ever hear of Barbarians?

Hey Obama! I'm from planet Earth, and the culture that made America and England Great was White Culture. White people were building Oxford when many of the other races were still literally eating each other.... And some countries have only a history of being a ****hole right down to this day.

And just take an honest look at Amerika, now, after five decades of importing brown and black turds who have **** for brains. Yeah, look at their average IQ. And look at their tribalism. The dirty truth, and it gives me no pleasure to point it out, is not all men and not all races have evolved equally... But what does give me pleasure is pointing out what ****ing hypocrites the Dirty Dems are when they preach about the evils of "urban sprawl" and "overpopulation", yet they want hundreds of millions more brown and black turds in our already over-stressed out cities... **** you, you pieces of ****. All you want is to import anybody who'll vote for you to tax me more and take my guns away...

Finally, Trump was very mild in his language, if he actually used the term, "****hole". The truth is there are many ****holes run by ****heads producing millions of ****-for-brains populations. So, Obama, Bernie and Hillary and the rest of the Dirty Dems, you can keep your ****ed up diversity; just give me a little town in Idaho that's a circa 1950s throwback, full of white people and not full of ****... Is that too much to ask? Or do you want to fill up every place you can with Nigerians? Or can I have my White Culture, too, like you people want your own..
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Haitians cut the trees down to cook their food. Not just foreign loggers in a ****ed up deal with the government.

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It is interesting that there is another country on the same island as HAiti, also populated by black people, that is not a complete ****hole.
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Say it isn't so!

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The Dominican Republic has fought several wars against Haiti, initially to gain independence. The border is plainly visible from the air, due to the Haitian clear cutting. The Dominicans have always encouraged Europeans to immigrate, while the Haitians did their best to exterminate theirs. At the 1938 Evian Conference to find a home for Jewish refugees from the Nazis, the Dominican Republic offered to that 50,000. Nobody else, including the United States, wanted to take in any.
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I have thought a bit about my comment regarding the Dominican Republic and Haiti being completely different in outcome, yet populated by largely the same genetic peoples and on the same island. I have formulated three hypotheses. One is a bit flippant, the other two quite serious. I leave it to the discretion of the reader to determine which are which.

1.) The Dominicans have made far better use of their trees. Instead of using their trees for whatever the Haitians used theirs for, they instead made baseball bats. You see, a baseball bat is a sort of investment. Like winning the lottery without a ticket, you cannot join the Major Leagues without a baseball bat. However, unlike the people in this country, the Dominicans realized that, like buying a lottery ticket every time you lose is a bad idea (nothing wrong with playing occasionally), one need not buy a new baseball bat every time one strikes out. This reduced the demand for trees, and has allowed many Dominicans the ability to play in the MLB. The remittances received from said players may have allowed the DR to have a per-capita GDP of roughly the worldwide median, and 10x that in Haiti.

2.) Haiti was colonized by the French, while the eastern side of the island was colonized by the Spanish. It sounds a bit odd, but think of parts of Africa and Southeast Asia. I am unaware of any French-speaking African country, save perhaps Morocco (which is close to Europe, and very much influenced by their culture for quite some time), that is not an abject ****hole. The English-speaking countries do a bit better, particularly Nigeria and South Africa, though neither has been particularly exemplary of late. French Southeastern Asia? We have 58,000 dead Americans to vouch for that. Most of Latin America, while not to US standards, is not all that bad. Chile, Argentina, Brazil, the places where the majority live, are not places you would refuse to retire to.

3.) Language, and its use. This is, I think, the most likely culprit. The Dominican Republic, by and large, speaks Spanish. Spanish is an expressive language, and one can make sentences full of meaning. In Haiti, the primary language is a French Creole, where verbs are not even conjugated. There are minimal facilities in that language even for differences in tense. It appears that the average Haitian, speaking the Creole, sees little difference between: "He go store tomorrow", "He go store today", "I go store yesterday". It is understandable, but it limits expression. Orwell, whom I admire greatly, makes the case that imprecise language makes for imprecise thought.

No doubt the ruling class in Haiti speaks impeccable French, and likely impeccable English as well. It is their superior command of the language that allows them to bamboozle those whom they see as their inferiors, and it is their promotion of the native language as superior (or at least, equivalent), that allows them to continue to do so. "I don't understand what he says, so he must be smart. I will support him, for he must know what is best."

We see the lack of education in our country, and the fact that Ivy League imbeciles are brought out to justify the most senseless policies imaginable. It is the same phenomenon. Roy Moore, according to MSNBC is an "alleged pedophile". "Pedophile" is a very bad word. But it doesn't mean what MSNBC claims it to mean. A pedophile attacks those who a pre-pubescent. A pederast like younger, post-pubescents. Neither is good, but a pedophile is, in my mind, far worse than a pederast. Longer ropes for the former. But the precision of the language is lost.

Donald Trump has called places like Haiti and most of Africa ****holes? It is now racist to state fact? He said nothing of the sort about the Dominican Republic. Maybe he was paid off by the New York Yankees.
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I quit trying to explain it about the time some idiot told me with a straight face there is a serial spectrum and everyone has their own place. This **** doesn't even make nonsense.
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One of obama's most important goals was to make this mainstream. He succeeded quite well.

(Not fact, just observation.)

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Having no experience of the Dominican Republic (though I would probably enjoy that), I will speak to Haiti, which I visited for exactly one weekend in July, 1971, courtesy of the United States Navy. It was a rare weekend for a new electrician's mate striker serving in "mess-cook" capacity on a diesel-electric submarine: I was allowed one night of "liberty"--I'll never know just who in the "fairy godmother" department allowed that, but I'm glad it happened. Port-au-Prince was an education in itself.

The Chief Hospital Corpsman on USS Amberjack had already given the liberty crew the warnings regarding the extremely high likelihood of getting gonorrhea or syphilis, due to the 99+% infection rate among the prostitutes and a pretty high likelihood of getting one or both from any woman in the country. Therefore, I only wanted to find a "nice" hotel with a "nice" restaurant and sleep for about 15 hours.

So I put on my one set of civvies, left the boat, and walked the pier to get to the taxi stand. I told the driver I wanted to go to a nice, cheap hotel. He took me directly to a *****-house! (Something about the word "directly" is not right there, as it seems there were no signals, no stop signs, no well-defined "right-of-way", since every driver was engaging in some macro version of Brownian motion!) Something went off in my 19-year old mind when I saw nothing that looked like a "Hotel" sign, or a big parking lot, so I told the driver to wait for me without offering payment, grabbed my overnight bag and walked through the front door unannounced and without knocking.

There were 7 or 8 women sitting on chairs in the "parlor", and it took exactly one inhalation to realize that I had both no business being there and no desire to remain there. The stink was insane, and the nicest looking ***** in the place looked to be about 11 years old. So I went back to the taxi, and in the finest "ugly American" tradition, kept saying "Hotel" over and over and louder and louder until he said, "I go to hotel" or something like that.

Now, at the Plaza Hotel I did get a nice and quiet room, a couple of hot showers, dinner, and breakfast, for $12US. The food was actually quite good, too. But I didn't bother stopping to drop off the room key, which I kept for at least 20 years, just as a reminder of certain ideas!

Miraculously got a taxi to take me back to fleet landing, after a short exchange about stopping at a "casino". The boat looked mighty fine to me, as it represented American "soil", even if it was practically all honest Pittsburgh steel. That was a little after noon on the Saturday, and so I had to take up mess-cooking duties immediately. Finally finished up in the galley about 2100, and a couple of buddies and I went walking around the waterfront district.

One ***** approached and made the standard offer; there's no reason to quote her language, but she ended up going off into someone's yard with one of the guys for fifty cents; he was back in less than ten minutes. We stopped at a bar/casino and each got a shot of some nasty tasting local run, then walked back to the boat. I think we got under way about 0900 on Sunday, and I was never so glad to get out of a place in my life!

(If DJT used the words as reported, he's probably exactly on track.)

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Lemonaid
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Well, the further below 100 your population's IQ is the ****tier the living situation will be for a multitude of reasons.

When hovering over Hispaniola You'll notice a clear-cut difference between Haiti and the Dominican Republic... it's not just the lack of trees on the western half...




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Just grabbed a sight from openstreetmap.com. This is the whole island, maybe not too long ago, and it appears to be a night view. Look at where the lights are.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=8....

Eastern Cuba has more lighting than does Haiti, and maybe less than what Dominican Republic has. Well.

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They need to put the math out on how many of these illegals have or are collecting any kind of support from the feds or states they live in. We already know the money stolen from the state tax payers forced to educated these kids.
Trump won his election by exposing the truth about the democrats and how they have never done anything to improve the lives of blacks and other minorities. The best way to expose what these DACA people are is to expose to the media the truth forcing them to report what percentage of these DACA brats are no more then leeches on society and throw in their families for good measure.
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