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2018-01-07 10:16 by Karl Denninger
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Send the illegal invaders home and imprison their employers.

BAY CITY, MI -- A Michigan dairy farmer is to spend a couple of years in federal prison and owes a six-figure fine for hiring undocumented immigrants.

U.S. District Judge Thomas L. Ludington on Thursday, Jan. 4, sentenced Denis Burke to two years in prison, followed by two years of supervised release. Ludington did not order Burke taken into custody on Thursday, but gave him time to self-report to the U.S. Marshals Services.

The judge also ordered Burke to pay a fine of $187,500 and an assessment fee of $100.

Now about that chicken factory plant down the road, and the hog plant across the street..... both owned by big corporate outfits like Purdue and Smithfield.

Start locking those CEOs up for a couple of years, along with all the "big" (and public) homebuilders and roofers and watch the illegal invader problem disappear in an afternoon.

What do I call this?

A GOOD START.

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Interesting that the bulk of the prosecution occurred under the Obama administration. I wonder whether there is more to this. I have seen reports that he was providing housing. Was he paying them way too little? Either way, hopefully this will be well-publicized, and like your idea of perp-walking a few medical executives and it fixing the whole thing, will apply here.
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If we need immigrant labor let the employer file the proper paperwork. Or change the laws. But until then lock them up and find them. You really don't need a wall of you e-verify.

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I was required to see some form of valid ID and collect W4 information, which had to match the ID, in the 1990s.

The IRS knew within a week of all new hires, because I had to file payroll tax deposit reports with the payroll tax deposits which individually listed names and SSNs, which of course had to match the W4s.

It was AND IS illegal to employ someone without filing those reports and making those tax deposits.

It was AND IS illegal to take a W4 without seeing supporting documentation.

E-Verify is a trivial extension of this and would put a stop to this crap instantly, since the transaction event (from the employer) would be trivially linkable against those payroll tax report. They were just starting to require them to be filed ELECTRONICALLY (not on paper with the deposit) when I sold the company, and today all of those have to be done electronically (with the deposit) via EFPTS.

It is literally TRIVIAL to enforce the law, which has been on the books for a HELL of a long time. **** THE GOVERNMENT -- EVERYONE INVOLVED IN IT FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, WITH A RUSTY CHAINSAW for not doing so.

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Although I believe this is one small mole hill that makes up a very large mountain, I am extremely glad to see some action FINALLY taking place. And to the people who say "Illegals only take jobs American's don't want" That is a lie.

When I was 12 I started working in cherries for summer money, from there it was on to other farm labor jobs, I drove tracker, fork lift and when I was about 17 the farmer asked me, "Do you know how to driver truck" Mind you I was a 17 year old, who drove a 4 cylider chevy Luv to work every day, so my answer was "yes"

The farmer takes me to his 1958 International Harvister that was loaded with bins of cherries, he shows me how the gears works, tells me where the wearhouse is and off I go. It was very fortunate that I made it there and back on that first trip....Yea I did take out a stop sign....Ooooops.

I never expected that job to become a career choice, but I learned to drive truck, how to drive tracker, forklift and a few other things that were actual skills. On top of that I showed I could make it into and perform a job, meaning I was hirable.


I have never done dairy work, but I have seen how it is done and that is also not a career choice, but when these business hire illegals they are blocking an American from gaining skills and job experience.

There is a good argument to be made that the wages for these jobs will go up (A little in most cases and quit a bit in some cases)But state sponsored (welfare) benefits like, year long housing, food and energy will assistance will not have to be paid out to people who are here illegally. We will likely pay more for our apples (What the market should dictate)and give American kids job experience, with the added benefit of paying less in taxes on social programs to people here illegally and stealing from our children's future.

Yup this is one small step, but hopefully it will be followed by several more. And I just KNOW Jeff Sessions will get on this......HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!



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TMD - "If we need immigrant labor" I am not saying we don't, especially skilled labor, but I contend that if many of our (U.S) child labor laws are changed it will make a big difference in the low level skilled jobs.

Many illegals (get daycare provided for their youngest, under 12ish - by you and I)but the illegals also know that the sooner they have their kids working on some of these jobs the more money they bring home, so these kids are out in the fields working.

Most American kids at 12 need a ride out to the job, they DO NEED some type of supervision and a whole lot should not be expected from them the first year, but by the time they are 17-18 some of these American youths would be training the new batch of low level workers.

Yes by all means bring in the immigrant labor our country needs to be successful, but we also need to change laws that prohibit our citizens from gaining skills and experience when they are young.

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i know someone in construction of government buildings in maryland and D.C., they tell me that almost all trades involved hire illegals. these are high paying prevailing wage jobs. so if they want to start somewhere just look out the window
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Yep.

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i been sayin' for MANY years that all we got to do is start enforcing the laws against hiring the invaders, and stop this damned giveaway of benefits.....and THEY FIND THEIR OWN WAY HOME. but one consequence, if it EVER happens on a wholesale basis, is a CRASH of epic contortions in the housing market. that's something that is almost never discussed....what happens to house prices....

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and when will they include the auto body repair shops, restaurants, diners, landscapers, local contractors and builders, not to mention the full value of all of the withholding and premiums not paid for the illegal workers with penalty and interest. basic math and business competency tells me that the example cited here is not the full value of the compliance fraud. what, he does not have a house, savings or other investments to attach? if you make a 10k mistake as a small business owner, they will hunt you to the end of the earth and interest is not ever waived, occasionally penalty. this is the law. no, i never had an issue, no axe to grind with the authorities, that following the law thing.

this is a start but probably more to show that they are doing something then it goes away from the public consciousness. lots of small business owners got really rich playing this game. i could find all of the local violators and prove it in a matter of days if they wish to hire me.

wake me when they actually do something about the problem.

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Now about that chicken factory plant down the road, and the hog plant across the street..... both owned by big corporate outfits like Purdue and Smithfield.


That reminds me of the old NCAA Basketball joke. North Carolina got caught cheating and so Livingston U. got 2 more years of probation.

Flap

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There is one more angle to this that is Congress' fault. They have made being a deadbeat so lucrative that our own citizens who should be doing these manual jobs can just sit on their asses and sponge off of everyone else.

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you are right flap. in 2006 i had a business with 9 employees,when things slowed down circa 2008 i didnt have to fire or lay anyone off. they heard about social security disability and food stamps and section 8 housing and quit! everyone made at least$15 an hour + benefits. down to a 2 man shop and will never employ another,even though i am turning away tons of work, i am done with all the bull****
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KD wrote..
Now about that chicken factory plant down the road, and the hog plant across the street..... both owned by big corporate outfits like Purdue and Smithfield.

Big corporate outfits with friends in high places (bought & paid for).

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KD wrote..
Start lockingthose CEOs up for a couple of years, along with all the "big" (and public) homebuilders and roofers andwatch the illegal invader problem disappear in an afternoon.
What do I call this?
A GOOD START.
Yep. And if that doesn't happen we'll have call this lawlessness. Selective enforcement is lawlessness.

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"Yep. And if that doesn't happen we'll have call this lawlessness. Selective enforcement is lawlessness."

For a brief moment I thought you meant just the laws that Justice Dept, FBI, Congress and our President are supposed to enforce, but after re-reading your quote I realize you also meant states, counties and cities.
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Best solution would have been robotic milkers. Very high initial cost but reliable and dependable with the ability to milk cows when ever they need it some as many as 4 or more times per day.

Thought some might like to see some of this automation at work from milkers to backscratchers to feeders all automated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTAFGJ4y....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwqCPGMN....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSPKWSxu....

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>>i know someone in construction of government buildings in maryland and D.C., they tell me that almost all trades involved hire illegals. these are high paying prevailing wage jobs. so if they want to start somewhere just look out the window>>


Look at the construction of US Embassies overseas, where the rules are made up and the points don't matter.

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A good start indeed. But, my one worry is that this isn't a real start but rather a deliberate distraction. It reminds me of how populist rage against pharmaceutical price gouging was carefully directed away from Merck and Pfizer by media and law enforcement focus on tangentially related things like Martin Shkrelli and small companies jacking up the prices of obscure drugs. I worry that an arrest like this one of a small dairy farmer is designed to make us think of these immigration violations as outlier criminal behavior that the "authorities are on top of" rather than the heart and soul of lobbyist-protected corporate business models at Big Ag and the homebuilders. Should we be hopeful or skeptical?
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Skeptical and prepared to both demand enforcement of the law and take whatever action is required to ensure that it happens.

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recently caused a little scene. refused to attend a friend's wedding reception as the catering hall employs illegals. i will not attend events where the facilities or catering suppliers use illegal labor. call and ask right over the telephone. will not order from a food delivery, eat at a restaurant, etc. make it known that you do not approve of people's choices and it is amazing who notices. in the most recent situation they lost a monetary gift. what you support, you get. let this start to catch on, get viral.

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