Flynn And Reality
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2017-12-01 15:46 by Karl Denninger
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Flynn And Reality
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This is a lot worse than the Trumpers are letting on.

First, let's dispel the complete and utter crap that's flying around: Mueller can't indict Trump.

That was pretty-well hashed out during Nixon's Presidency; even after it was known that he was involved in the Watergate Burglary at a level that could have led to an accessory charge he still wasn't indictable.  Nor was he indictable for obstruction either when he destroyed the tapes.

But, in this case, that's not the end of the issue.  Mueller can indict anyone who conspired with Flynn, who he just gave a "no felony time" free pass card to, other than Trump.  I would not be shocked at all if there's a wink-wink nod-nod that with cooperation that won't even be recorded as a felony conviction either.

No prosecutor does that unless he thinks he can get more and better.  Therefore Mueller does and the target isn't Trump since he can't indict him and he knows it.

That's bad, not good, because the likely target is one of Trump's closest and the highest-probability targets include either one of his kids or their spouse (e.g. Kushner.)

I remind you that a conspiracy charge only requires some sort of act of involvement and a predicate act to complete a felony, which Flynn just admitted to.  So the predicate act is there, now we only need the involvement of another person that in some way furthers the offense.  That's a damned-broad brush he's got there and it's before we get to a potential obstruction charge.

That's where the risk is -- along with whether Trump would immediately pardon any of those people if Mueller indicts them.

This much I'm sure of: Trump's prediction that this thing will over by the end of the year, given that Mueller just gave Flynn a "get out of jail free" card, appears to me to have a probability of zero.

PS: Twitter is all ablaze with the Trumper horse**** about ABC's retraction being dispositive -- that the contact was after the election (but prior to inauguration.)  Nope.  The Logan Act, constitutionally infirm or not (it has not been struck) still applies until inauguration day if there was a policy-setting or interfering component to the conversations.  Does the ABC "retraction" change the corner case potentials?  Absolutely, but none of the above that I wrote earlier was predicated on a belief that corner case occurred, which if you've read anything I've written on this since before the election you know has been my position -- that is, I have never believed there was a quid-pro-quo for Russian election interference within the Trump campaign.  The issue is, and remains that obstruction (of which "lying to the FBI" is a lesser-included if you want to get down to brass tacks) is usually what fells politicians and to the extent that an attempt was made to obstruct the investigation it remains a problem -- potentially an impeachable one for Trump and an indictable one for those close to him.

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Obseedian
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It is claimed the target is Kushner

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/nojs_router....

Never liked that guy from the beginning, to be honest. He kind of looks like a sociopath.

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Count me as part of the majority that just doesn't care about Mueller's investigation and whatever fruits it may bear. The simple fact that alleged collusion with the Rooskies is taking priority over investigating egregious criminal acts by Hillary as Sec. State and Obama and Prez is enough to have me checked-out.
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Since Flynn admitted that he lied to the FBI, how much weight is his testimony going to get in court?

Mueller, Lynch, and Comey are neck deep in the Russian Uranium Scandal. Hopefully, Mueller's going after Trump's family members might get the heat turned up enough under our hibernating Attorney General to actually get him to do his job.

If there were anything to the Trump-Russia connection, it would have been leaked long before now. Since nothing has been leaked but accusations, there really is nothing here to see.
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Mueller, Lynch, and Comey are neck deep in the Russian Uranium Scandal.

There are so many scandals, conspiracies, and revelations of wrongdoing coming out these days that I can't keep them straight any more. The worst part about it is that I don't know of anyone (other than KD) that I would trust to honestly sort it all out.

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>>There are so many scandals, conspiracies, and revelations of wrongdoing coming out these days that I can't keep them straight any more. The worst part about it is that I don't know of anyone (other than KD) that I would trust to honestly sort it all out.>>

None of this current kerfluffle or the Clinton saga will be prosecuted in anything like a honest and impartial way based on factual information and objective analysis.

We're all about the hit-pieces and the stained dresses for salacious entertainment and the gleeful destruction of those we think deserve it, taking schadenfreude to a completely new level.

Americans like seeing other people's lives destroyed. It's the new reality show.

Welcome to America, 2017.

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Wake me up when Mueller goes after Grade-A Treason with Hillary Clinton and the well known Pay-For-Play Russian Collusion that has already landed one guy in jail for Bribery, Money-Laundering, Extortion, etc...

Mueller is an establishment Deep-State hold out that should have been purged day one of the Administration.

Mueller is the guy who allowed American Uranium to be sold to the Russians... and no, that Uranium does not stay in this Country.

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Well, absolutely.

The record on that is what it is, and I've written extensively on it. It's utterly outrageous that Hillary isn't in prison right here, right now. Quite-arguably BOTH Comey and Mueller ought to be there with her too!

But you know what? There are exactly ZERO people who are going to do anything about that.

INCLUDING YOU.

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I think Flynn lied on purpose. He's a 33 year spook. He knows his phone calls and texts to Russian Ambassador are being monitored. So it wasn't an accident. So why do it?

One, to entrap the person who is unmasking and leaking from the Obama Admin.

Two, this is less about an indictment for lying, and more about immunity from all crimes committed during the Obama Admin.

I think in the next 6 months, or sooner, this narrative flips from Trump Russia collusion to Obama Admin people being indicted.

If there was anything on Trump don't you think it would have been leaked over the past 12 months?

Look at the Project Veritas video with the Washington Post National Security writer. He says the Trump Russia thing is a crap shoot. No evidence yet. If info got leaked, don't you think he would know?

You don't have to agree with me. We'll find out in the next few months. Just setting down a marker
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TK - I think you need to start writing spy novels. You might be right and I read enough on Reddit occasionally to think there's a chance. But you know Lloyd Christmas thought he might end up with Mary Swanson too.

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... so you're saying there's a chance!
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