Climate Alarmist Profiteers: Go To Prison
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2017-07-14 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Climate Alarmist Profiteers: Go To Prison
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The debate's over folks.

Back when the "climate researcher" folks had their lab hacked into and their data set and source code stolen I wrote an article on what was in there -- including obvious adjustments in the FORTRAN code that were one way.

Post that incident there was a "convenient" loss of original data -- which made re-examination on an objective basis of much of the so-called "work" impossible.

Unfortunately for the screamers, they didn't get all of the data sets.  There were plenty of them left, and eventually some folks took to actual mathematical analysis of them.

You can read their conclusions here -- but let me just quote a bit of it.

The conclusive findings of this research are that the three GAST data sets are not a valid representation of reality. In fact, the magnitude of their historical data adjustments, that removed their cyclical temperature patterns, are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data. Thus, it is impossible to conclude from the three published GAST data sets that recent years have been the warmest ever –despite current claims of record setting warming.

Finally, since GAST data set validity is a necessary condition for EPA’s GHG/CO2 Endangerment Finding, it too is invalidated by these research findings.

In other words, and to expand:

1. No, it has not been the "warmest ever."

2. There were more severe "heat wave" incidents in the 1930s, in point of fact, there was a cold period in the 1960s and 70s (which some of us who are old enough remember!) and today's anomalies are approximately equal to that of the early 1990s.

3. These facts including both the hot and cool periods earlier in the 19xx years, fit not only across the United States but globally in the Northern Hemisphere.

It is therefore quite-clear that the data has been intentionally tampered with.

Since this has formed the basis for plans to steal literal trillions of dollars and has already resulted in the forced extraction of hundreds of billions in aggregate for motorists and industry this quite-clearly constitutes the largest economic fraud ever perpetrated in the world.

I call for the indictment and prosecution of every person and organization involved, asset-stripping all of them to their literal underwear.

For starters.

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Over the years, I have valued your point of view on most subjects, but on this one, I continued to think you were bat-sh*t crazy until just recently. The climate change scam has been hugely pervasive, and the media made it seem that the vast majority of scientists were convinced of its veracity. Thank you for persisting - you managed to convince me I had it wrong.
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We moved into our house in 1987. At that time, during the warmest part of the year, the average high and low temperatures for mid to late July was 85F and 63F as reported by the major newspaper in the area. This was averaged over 30 years which included the late 50s, 60s, 70s, and early 80s.

The average high and low for late January was 34F and 17F also averaged over 30 years.

Have the coldest and warmest temperatures, still averaged over 30 years, changed at all in the 30 years we've lived here? Nope... No change in 2017 over what was published back in 87. 30 years is nothing in climate time. Yet it this very period (1950s to 2017) that all the climate fraudsters are pointing to as their supposed proof. It's simply not there when you look at real data.

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Global warming is not Man made


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Karl, while your explanation is, as usual, impeccable, logical, rational and compelling, it won't convince people that are incapable (or unwilling) to think rationally or logically and have to be spoon fed emotional arguments.

"A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still."

For the average libturd who thinks they are so enlightened and tolerant, they are absolutely 180 degrees out of phase.

As for the lying, greedy asshats that promote and promulgate this **** - well, **** them with your proverbial rusty chainsaw.

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Hell, I want a car fueled by fraud. The supply in the USA alone is infinite.

Indictment and prosecution and seizure of all properties and assets.

Due to the grievous nature of the scam maybe even few public executions starting with Gore and Mann. Then i'd go looking at each current and former member of congress and the presidents that pushed this horse crap. Then we can go after officials at DOE and EPA. The 'bezzle' has deep state roots here.

The constant political quackery and intimidation by the editors of the American Chemical Society versus real science caused me to leave in 2008.
How many people will still put fingers in ears and still refuse to listen to facts and real analysis.

Yep I remember the early `70s. Two major snow storms in SC near the beach within weeks. They claimed we were headed for a new ice age then.

These scams are made possible by government grants. Find scientists (scam artists) with no integrity and pay them money to publish what you want to hear. Then get cronies in media involved to propagate the lies. Form wealth extraction companies and further usevthe lies to push rax increases.

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Karl, I can't find your old article on this in the archives. Can you re-link please?
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Hi Karl,

I worked as a graduate level chemist at a major university in the early nineties and maintained contact with many there for some time after.

When this whole global warming thing was beginning to pickup steam numerous conversations occurred when we were socializing. To a person all of the members of the scientific departments shared the opinion that the man-made global warming theory was incorrect, methodologically not providing data needed to argue to case, ignored historical data showing preindustrial warming, ignored the accepted role of solar cycles, and offered the usual temptations (their words). Additionally it was amusing to them that we had just come from a global cooling scare. These discussions came before the mainstreaming of the internet.

These scientists were overwhelmingly tenured faculty with a few tenure track individuals. This particular university was already beginning the transition to non-tenure track adjuncts in a big way.

These scientists knew that the global warming theory would become a major thing in society, a major loyalty test, a huge federal and industry interest and could make or break careers, including tenured ones. This university was not particularly notable or politically influential. Very large yes, but not a cutting edge research or influential in the science world. The science departments were mostly service departments to provide backing to other professions and many stopped offering PhD's. So, how did these people know. I do not have an answer other than they were very practical people who were accustomed to how things worked. Most were close to retirement; they were in this world for many years.

These scientists were very clear that anyone who opposed this new theory or even attempted to validate the studies of others would face negative academic and career consequences regardless of status or place of employment.

People like to think that tenure is some sort of magic protection from outside influence. Those of us on the inside will tell you that it is anything but safe. You have tenure which locks you into a job. Your class hours can be cut so low that leaving the position becomes an option. I saw this form of punishment levied and there are ample examples elsewhere. What good is a job for life if you no longer want it or it cannot support the lifestyle to which you have become accustomed? Remember those adjuncts that I mentioned; they were always looking for more work, very desperate people. Most tenured scientists are not valuable to the corporate work world especially if they recently challenged the most recent scientific religion or feeding frenzy.

Another thing that people neglect is the role that grants play in a professor's income. The ability to get grants makes a professor valuable to a university. These grants are overwhelmingly federal or from corporate interests aligned with what is in vogue. Get it yet. Many professors could not maintain their standard of living unless they get paid from grants above their base pay. The university system does not like to have on staff professors who stop producing after they get tenure. Once you are in the C+ range and below universities, the base salary provisions to faculty are low and many cases per credit hour. The same hours that can be cut if one bucks the trend.

People do not often go into science because they love it. They do so because they have an aptitude, find the work tolerable, consistent with their personality and able to support their lifestyle. There are degrees of all of these variables and they do not necessarily apply to just science. Add in personal morality and other life goals and you have the situation today. People are bought directly and INDIRECTLY.

This is where we are as a society, done. People will no longer trust anything and worse figure that since all is lost why not do like everyone else. This leads us to problems. We do not trust any scientific research such as medical and this leads the purveyors of knowledge to feel that if they are no longer trusted, why not be untrustworthy and save their skin. No one will stand behind an honest person especially if it could damage them. I see amazingly logical and erudite presentations on other scientific and engineering topics and the speaker will always toe the party line with regards to man-made global warming, even though this person just demonstrated amazing intellectual abilities. Why? Because it is a membership pass, a party membership. There is only one party. A nice vicious cycle that is getting faster everyday.

The big lie theory of the communists was not the internalization of a belief. Turns out in the communist countries the people knew it was a lie and followed their local media to simply know what to say to be safe.

I disclose that I do not work in academia and have not since 1996.

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I heard one story once about portions of Miami flooding, and a lot of folks in on reddit talking about Miami streets being underwater routinely now (no proof of course, or pictures conclusively shown to have come during storm surges...)

But nothing at all is said about land subsidence - building heavy buildings causes the land to sink, and draining the freshwater aquifers is also a potential cause of subsidence.

Water must only rise - land can never possibly sink.
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Global warming doesn't have to be right . . .

(Puts on whiny voice.)

It just has to be CARING.
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You mean someone actually used math to expose the fraud. Color me shocked. smiley

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To follow up on Whitehat's post, I'll take the liberty to repost part of the twitter thread made a couple of months ago.


1/ There is a Religious war under way in USA. It is between Christians and Progressives, Islam is a side show.

2/ Progressives now have their End of the World Theology, which is technically known as Eschatology. Their Eschatology is Climate Change.

3/ Progressivism is now full Theology completed with Eschatology.It has its own Churches (Universities) and its Priests (Scientists)

4/ Progressivism is now a form of Paganism, since Climate Change (their Eschatology), is Fear of Natural Phenomena

5/ Paganism is Fear of Natural Phenomena, old pagans created a god for each natural phenomenon outside of their control.

6/ Progressivism has simply bunched up all those pagan gods into one, they call it Climate Change.It is pure paganism.

7/ Progressive Priests, whom we know as Scientists, are now mostly involved into preventing the End of World, that Climate Change fears

8/ Progressive Priests, Scientists, are mostly located in Universities, which makes Universities de-facto Progressive Churches

9/ As any religion, Progressivism doesn't like strong Competition.

10/ The real competition to Progressivism is Christianity, hence they have declared war to Christianity in their Churches, the Universities

* There is more, I'll post the whole thing again if anyway wants to re-read.

* It's a good thing that climate change satellite crashed in '09 or else all kinds of data could have been manipulate for their agenda.

* I grew up in upstate NY in the 60s/70s and remember the freezing cold winters with 3FT+ of snow. Myself and 2 bros had to wake up at 4am to shovel our extra long driveway often so mom/dad could go to work. I still remember dreaming of palm trees while shoveling, which is what lead me to move to Cali and later Asia. (and maybe relocate to TX or FL soon).
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Some people I shared it with took exception because it was published through WordPress.
That invalidated it in their minds.

They only suck government dick I suppose.

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It's been well-known for a long time that something like 70% of the 'adjustments' increase the temperature rise, and only about 30% decrease it. That alone is a glaring red flag, because adjustments for random errors in data would be expected to be similar in both directions. It's not impossible, but it's something that would set alarm bells ringing for any real scientist looking at the data.

Indeed, there are entire countries where a decades-long cooling temperature record from the actual thermometers was 'adjusted' into warming.

It's junk, being used to justify vast theft and malinvestment.
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...and the media made it seem that the vast majority of scientists were convinced of its veracity

Whenever someone tells me "most experts believe ________" that's the signal for me to tune them out because they obviously don't know what the **** they're talking about and instead are relying on appeals to authority and consensus, neither of which is actual evidence of anything. If someone wants to convince me of something they need to bring evidence from a well run clinical trial, which isn't even possible to do when it comes to manmade global warming.
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I've realized since the mid-nineties that global warming was a scam. When they start screaming like stuck pigs and saying deniers need to be killed or jailed you know it is all about the money.

Here are two sites I follow on occasion that go the other direction and tell it like it is.

I got into a discussion on global warming on a board last summer where the powers that be were promoting NASA's press release that it was the hottest summer ever. I simply went to fifteen major points around the globe and picked a city and looked up their historic high temperatures and looked at the last months HIGH temperatures. NOT one of those cities was anywhere close to their historic high temperatures. In fact not one of those 15 cities had broken their historic high temperatures for that month. This was done some where around July-August-September last year.

I live in Pittsburgh and we have been having a normal summer that seems to be a little cooler and wetter than normal. At least my AC bills are running much lower than last year.

Just for fun I looked up Naples Fl. for today July 15th 2017.
If there is going to any global warming SW Florida would be hit pretty hard.

Look up your city or any random city and see if you can see any global warming?
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This isn't about science, never has been.

It's their religion. A friend of mine had a column in today's local rag, discussing the stupidity of our local city council who will enact some legislation to limit the City's contribution to AGW, and she was soundly attacked for stating the facts--that there is no AGW.

When you step on someone's religion, all reason is flushed and the long knives come out. This won't go away until the next Civil War.
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hat tip durden

I call for the indictment and prosecution of every person and organization involved, asset-stripping all of them to their literal underwear.

Yes, it would be nice to see the king has no clothes, for all the world to see.

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Karl you said,

"I call for the indictment and prosecution of every person and organization involved, asset-stripping all of them to their literal underwear."

While I totally agree all the fraudsters should be tried and sent to prison, I doubt one person will even go to trial.
I am pessimistic.

At the maximum their funding might be cut off, no one will ever be prosecuted.
As typical of Washington, the fraudsters will just say,
My bad. I am just ready to get this behind me,
With no read admission of guilt or fraud.
Twenty or thirty years from now, this will all be just a bad memory.
That is the best we can hope.
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