The Comey Conundrum
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The Comey Conundrum
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So here's the prepared testimony...

I've read it several times.

There are people saying it's a rorschach test -- whatever you want to see you will find.

I disagree.

What I see there is very much what a private CEO might say to someone "investigating" -- and there's utterly nothing wrong with it in that context, because there is no "or else."  And that's the key, when you get down to it -- there has to be an "or else" for it to be actionable, either politically or otherwise.

Does any of this rise to that level?  IMHO, nope.  It borders on it, but threading that needle is not only perfectly ok it's part and parcel of being a chief executive of any organization.  Those who disagree with that have never run anything in their life.

At the end of the day that's what I see here -- a bunch of people who have never run anything.  They believe nobody has to walk up to the bright lines, but not cross them.  They believe nobody has to make the tough calls.  They believe nobody should expect honest loyalty from anyone.

What's the difference between "honest loyalty" and not?

The difference is that "not" is malicious prosecution based on invented narratives or otherwise corrupt acts.

Comey, like it or not, was Trump's subordinate.  As his boss Trump had every right to expect and, when he questioned whether he was receiving it, directly ask for exactly what he did ask for -- honest loyalty.

He didn't get that from inauguration day forward.  I remind you that Hillary's "email server being wiped with a cloth" did not go away as an issue on inauguration day.  Nor did the Russian Uranium deals.  Nor did Seth Rich's death.  Nor did a whole host of other potential scandals both in the DNC and RNC.

The so-called "focus" on "Russian interference" is, from all evidence to date, a sideshow.  Should it be run into the ground?  You bet.  But so should all the rest of these issues and as far as anyone can determine exactly none of them are.  Further, there are clear conflicts of interest between Comey, some of his underlings and Clinton and Comey failed to do anything about them.

Were Trump's conversations uncomfortable for Comey?  Yep.

Why?

Because Comey had, for quite some time, been failing to do his ****ing job.

When those conversations failed to produce corrective action on Comey's part what would you expect to be next?

In Trump's position you can't threaten to fire someone if they don't cut the crap, because that might be construed as obstruction.

But you sure as hell can demand honest loyalty and if you don't immediately see corrective action in the form of receiving it you can then fire the person involved, which is exactly what happened. 

That would be nice and neat, with the entire sordid episode being able to be tossed into the bin, but for what happened in the hearing.

You see, Comey admitted to not one but two incidents that are at least grounds for instant firing and, I suspect, constitute stand-alone felonies.

First was the "leaking" of material to his "buddy" who then made sure they were published in the press.  I remind you that at minimum this breached Comey's duty to the FBI and his oath of office.  But worse, if there was any classified material involved in those "leaks" he also broke the law -- period, full-stop.

Second, and at least as serious if not more-so, was that he admitted to interference in the Hillary email investigation by Lynch -- and did nothing about it.

I've seen arguments that Trump should "let it go" now that (1) Comey confirmed he wasn't under investigation and (2) that there was no "interference" by Trump.  To that I respond with an emphatic NO.

Both of these incidents need to be run into the ground and the chips allowed to fall wherever they may.  From what I heard yesterday there appear to be multiple serious felonies involved here both by Comey and a host of other people, including Lynch.  For the AG to actively interfere in a criminal investigation is about as serious as it gets in terms of corruption and that must not be allowed to stand.

Our nation is literally crumbling around us because of the lack of the rule of law when it comes to wealthy and powerful people.  You get ****ed up the ass daily by this in the medical field, when it comes to so-called "social media" where you are bought and sold without your knowledge, through the so-called "education" system (especially "higher" education) and more.  Nowhere is this more corrosive than at the highest levels of the Federal Government and when the AG of the United States attempts to rig an election by interfering with an investigation that should have, and would have, forced Hillary to withdraw a year or more prior to the election you have a serious problem.

That was a blatant and outrageous attempt to coronate someone.  It failed, but those who tried it, including Comey and Lynch, need to rot in ****ing prison.  Until and unless that investigation happens, in the open, and is run into the ground there is exactly no reason for you to show any respect to the law, to the cops, to the FBI, to the government, to anyone who claims "authority."  The law either applies to everyone and is enforced evenly against all or it deserves no deference or respect by anyone.

Period.

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100% correct.

I would also say if Trump does not go after the corruption Hillary the evil Hitch and ALL the others he will be the one in prison on a charge they make up and create.

Additionally Comeey absolutely revealed himself not as stand up by the book law enforcement officer. He is nothing but corrupt politician, he against the rule of law listed all of Hillary crimes then went on to completely absolve them. He became his own justice department. Then went on later to make damn well sure the cloud of investigation was hanging over a seating president. He never went on record to clear Trump the Congress new there was no investigation but they all kept the the lie going.

Comey cleared a criminal and then slimed a duly elected president. This keep in mind is the top law enforcement person in the country!

Not kidding Comey needs to hang by the neck until dead.

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Spot On!

The DEMS demanded an Independent Counsel investigation. Weeeelllllll,,,,,

We have a Special Counsel running.

Hand ALL of these issues (or is that "Matters" . . . ?!?!?!?) to the Special Counsel AND run them ground.

Also needing to be included in the MATTERS to be investigated: the Russian Uranium deal, 'Pay for Play' with the Clinton Foundation, Fast & Furious, Seth Rich, etc, etc, etc. . . .

Don't just "Drain the Swamp".

Drain it.
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Burn it to the ground.
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And then PAVE it OVER!

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Hear, Hear. Will it happen? Nope.
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Oh and another little problem for captain snowflake.

Comey said under oath he only leaked his private conversation with the President after the president sent out a tweet saying comey sucks donkey dicks and needed to be fired.

Wait how can that be? The New York times was quoting the memo 3 days before the tweet!
http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/08/profes....

That means Comey released the memo just cause he got fired! Unprovoked he tried to bring down the government!

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Very well stated,


Thanks
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This politicization of federal jobs has its source in the watering down of the hatch act in the 1990's. Put the Hatch act back to the way it was in 1939 as well as reintroduce the Glass-Steagall act and we will make a few steps in the right direction.
Other wish list:
Congress can make no law which grants or exempts it from laws which apply to the general population. (Insider trading, getting to keep their campaign fund accounts when they retire would be a good place to start getting rid of this "self enrichment" of the ruling class).
I may not be as eloquent as others but you get my drift.

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Nothing I'd love better than to see the entire Clinton Crime Family behind bars for 60+ years or more. Hard to meet speaking engagements in the slammer.

I Trump is smart he'll do this now before a reelection occurs. Hopefully it ends this family's political aspirations once and for all at the least.

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Right on!!! It's all about the rule of law which most of us have been saying for a very long time. No one is above the law. Do the crime and then do the time.

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The law either applies to everyone and is enforced evenly against all or it deserves no deference or respect by anyone.


This!

All this crap is making it very clear that laws don't apply to everyone equally. At some unknowable point, the country will cease to exist as people will regard the government as just a criminal gang writ large. That is a very dangerous point.

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Bring it on.

I no longer give a ****.

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When the Jon Corzines and whomever is responsible for things like Fast and Furious of the world start to go to jail. I'll believe things have changed.

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Well ... here goes ... as I've been doing for a number of years now, I selectively forward some of these Tickers to my daughter (17) and to my recently retired BIL, a former district attorney. First, her reaction. Then his reaction to her reply.

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I have some problems with this.

1) Calling Trump Comey's "boss" greatly oversimplifies their relationship. The reality is that Trump has no reason to expect loyalty from Comey because his job is to direct the highest office of criminal justice in the nation, an office that, by it's definition, gives loyalty to no one and only to one thing - the law. Trump has no greater authority to request loyalty from the FBI than does any random American citizen. This article bluntly states "the law either applies to everyone and is enforced evenly against all or it deserves no deference or respect by anyone". I have no issue accepting this. So why should Trump deserve this "loyalty" from the director of the "law" if the law needs to be applied perfectly equally? That is a purely hypocritical statement to make in this article.

2) The two things you noted as Comey possibly breaking the law.

- Leaking the memo. I'm sure you've read the leak carefully. I sure as hell have. There is no way anything that was leaked could be considered "classified information". That is blatantly false and has been reported as such by numerous news sources. Therefore it's not leaking - it's the dissemination of information. It was in no way illegal. It's no more illegal than mom emailing me a memo from her office about employee conduct because it was not secret, it was not classified, it was not illegal. The reason Comes didn't do it himself didn't have anything to do with legality, it had to do with politics. It was the best way to release the information and maintain it's credibility and his own political power.

- Lynch. What she did was pretty objectively wrong and I won't argue that. However, first of all, to argue what she did was wrong is also to argue that what Trump did was wrong (it's hard to not draw parallels between her compelling Comey to not make a big deal out of the Clinton investigation and Trump compelling Comey to not make a big deal out of the Russia investigation). By claiming Lynch belongs in jail, you are implying Trump does too. Or else you risk violating the closing statement of this email - "the law either applies to everyone and is enforced evenly against all or it deserves no deference or respect by anyone". But also, why exactly should COMEY be punished for Lynch attempting to subvert his investigation? Why does that make sense? If he didn't succumb to her wishes, he didn't break the law.

The reality is, that was a damning testimony against Trump and that's the reason he and his lawyers are freaking the f*&k out.

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BIL: Smart girl. I agree with [her].

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They can all bite me.

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Comey is incompetent, he was falling apart, that's why the crooks needed to bring in Mueller to carry the water now. Mueller's job is to "investigate" this matter continuously till he finds anything on Trump.

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The fact that she may be a smart girl serves only to make the load of twaddle she wrote all the more egregious.
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And both her and bil need to EABODADIAF

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Honest means not cheating, lying, stealing, conspiring, covering up, etc, etc, etc...

Comey worked for Trump. Point blank. Trump as President has full authority to hire and fire FBI directors.

We the people elect the President, and through the president, we elect the FBI director.


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Exactly

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The FBI reports they can not find any of the Comey memos on the servers. Whoops.

Trump needs to get rid of Mueller, this looks like a setup.

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Comey was crooked way before he became the FBI director.

He was the HSBC executive director when it was caught laundering drug money for the Sinoloas drug cartel !


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Even before HSBC, Comey was the DOJ Attorney who helped bail out the Clinton's from Whitewater, and various other crimes of theirs.

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The FBI reports they can not find any of the Comey memos on the servers. Whoops.


Any quick explanation what this means and does? Its really hard to follow this latest thing with the amount of trolls out there.

Did someone above just quote that Hillary Server is equivalent to the MSM making up Russia ties to Trump? I think the country is just about gone.

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Trav, on the surface it looks like Comey agreed to perjury in order to get a special investigator, his friend Mueller, installed.

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