Mueller Eh?
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Robert Mueller has been named special prosecutor for the "Russia investigation" with regard to Trump's campaign.

Mueller, a former FBI head and federal prosecutor, is well-respected by both sides of the aisle -- and with reasonably good cause.  I'm aware of no material accusations of misconduct during his tenure and he has a reputation for being honest -- and tough.  He has also worked with Comey before -- extensively.  The conflict of interest issue is obvious -- and, from the point of view of the DOJ, irrelevant.  You take from that whatever you wish.

In my view of events this is generally good in that it will lead to a dispositive outcome.  If, as Trump asserts, there were no untoward actions by his campaign, his staff and those close to him during the campaign or afterward with regard to Russia then the Democrat narrative will be demolished and laid rest in a pile of ash.

However, if there is evidence of obstruction or worse, actual collusion of some sort with the Russians then all Hell is going to break loose.

The problem for those who are preening for a "Trump Trade" is that either outcome leaves such a trump-trade expectation in the dustbin.

Let's assume that the now-being-repeated video that "there was no obstruction" proves up.  So what? The Democrats are not going to let this go and will argue they've been railroaded.  Now what?  Anything that has to go through regular order is not going to happen and remember that due to how the process works under reconciliation you have to get the AHCA, or whatever it turns into in the Senate, through before you take up taxes since you can't score the tax bill otherwise.

If there was collusion, on the other hand, then Trump is burnt toast and it makes zero difference who in his campaign did the colluding.  Whether it was him or anyone else in his campaign if there's any sort of fire to go with the smoke his administration is finished in practical terms even if they don't impeach him (and the Republicans won't, by the way, so you can forget about that.)

Finally either way the House is likely to flip Democrat in 2018.  This is just math; the party in power nearly always loses seats and frequently loses the majority after the first two years of a new administration where the Presidency changes hands.  The day that happens you can forget about passing anything having to do with actual tax cuts and I remind you that the 2018 mid-term campaigning is due to start pretty much as soon as Congress comes back from summer recess!

If you think there will be tax reform given the present environment you need to get the crack pipe out of your mouth as you are a drug-addled fool.  Trump had the opportunity to get this done, and to fix health care (for real; see my proposal to the top right) but he simply does not have the luxury of time into a midterm election in which he is nearly-certain to lose seats in the House and probably will lose the House majority.

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Zappafan
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Minor technical correction - Mueller has been named Special Counsel, not prosecutor. Much of the press is misreporting this (surprise.)

What's the difference? Not too much, but there are some subtle ones. Congress let the law authorizing a special prosecutor lapse in 1999. Prior to that, special prosecutors (Ken Starr was the last one, I think) were selected not by the Attorney General but rather by a panel of independent judges. Congress had some limited oversight. Mueller will still be under DOJ. Technically the Attorney General could fire him, unlike Starr who was pretty much unaccountable.

Either way these guys tend to end up going on fishing expeditions. The Whitewater special prosecutor outlasted the Clinton administration. And as we all know, all we got out of that one was Lewinsky. Fitzgerald went after Rove and Cheney but all he ended up getting was an obstruction of justice case against Scooter Libby, which led to a conviction and a sentence that was commuted by GW Bush.

I predict Mueller will take years to come up with anything. Perhaps he'll nail Mueller's third cousin on a charge of running crooked bingo games in Saskatoon. With money siphoned to Putin, of course :)

It doesn't really matter because politically either way Trump is likely finished, as you wrote.





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Every calorie those *******s expend fighting among themselves is a calorie not being expended to **** with me and mine. Having said that, all of the *******s who have been in harumph mode since 11/2016 are damned lucky Trump isn't even 1% of the thug they are trying to make him out to be. otherwise everyone with a desk and a direct dial number in the vaunted "intellignece community" Would at the very least be looking for gainful employment in the private sector since they would have all been ****-canned on day one. I'd follow that up with a handful of troublemakers like mccain, lindsey graham, hillary and a few others would be deposited just outside the gates of the "green zone" with no security detail so the good people of MENA could properly "thank" them for all they have to for them over the past couple of decades.

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According to the MSM there were at least 18 non-disclosed contacts between trump campaign and russia, according to those near the investigation, at least 30.

Also :
http://ania.com/2017/05/19/exclusive-fem....
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Female Ex-Russian Spy Was Appointed to Trump Organization to Launder Money


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/dana-rohrabacher-russia-spies.html?_r=0&referer=https://t.co/wQ2JAm1Ka8
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F.B.I. Once Warned G.O.P. Congressman That Russian Spies Were Recruiting Him

Did they succeed?

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/....
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Russia tried to take over Pentagon Twitter accounts: report


https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/....
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Ex-Trump adviser Michael Flynn hasnt responded to subpoena on Russia contacts, Senate intel chair says

If he doesnt comply, at most he can get 1 year in jail and 1000$ fine... which is better than being convicted for high treason.

https://news.vice.com/story/justice-depa....
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The Trump-Russia inquiry is now a criminal investigation


Trump and his treasonous buddies are going down. Also his ``only`` good idea to break up the big banks was shot down yesterday by Mnuchin... what a surprise... NOT.

If Trump was legit at all in the beginning which I doubt more and more, he's totally sold out.

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I would expect a global real-estate seller would hire politically connected individuals into their company to sell to foreign oligarchs. China does this all the time everywhere in the US. Elon Musk is actually worse than Trump in this regard, no one is out to get him.

The funny part is that it will come to light soon, that the Bernie campaign was made aware that wikileaks would receive the hacked DNC emails, before anyone else was. There is no way to continue on in this narrative, unless Bernie Sanders is also accused of being with the Russians, and a secret Trump operative.

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Bernie Sanders is also accused of being with the Russians


This would actually be plausible if Russia was still part of the Soviet Union.

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This is one massive #### show.

We are going to end up living under a permanent PC libtard dictatorship with George Soros pulling the strings. Zucketurd is already censoring peoples speech.
Google already can flush any info they want down the memory hole. And Bezos is using his WAPO to smear Trump left right and center. These mega billionaires do not see themselves as mere men they truly see themselves as special beings as gods among men. They create things like global warming, and they have a solution. It is always about taxing and burdening the common man.

Well, I'm glad things are finally starting to turn around.

And I'm sorry what is going on right now feels and looks like a globalists Coup de tete. These are not leaks they are assassination attempts. I'm sure these leaks are coming from left over Obama appointees.
And every Obama true believer I have ever talked to, after afew minutes of talking to them prove themselves to be a complete and utter idiot.

Hillary and Bill were selling access to the government and no one gives a ####!




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The Dems are playing a dangerous game. The longer and harder they drag Trump through the mud, the lower probability a "Trumpcare" bill gets through. When the implosion accelerates all Trump has to do is point at the obstructionists clinging to Obamacare, assuming he survives of course.
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Yep, and Trey Gowdy said recently and hinted strongly to a lot more collusion between the Obama DOJ and the Clintons than the public has seen already.


And sources inside the FBI have said as bad as the Clinton Foundation is and Hilldebeasts State was they were just a part of what was going on. Heard someone say, remember there is never just one cockroach.

Fact is our Government is more corrupt than even we can imagine.

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All of the major media has proven to be despicable liars. I don't believe a ****ing word they say about Trump. Every accusation they have leveled at him is ultimately tied to anonymous sources. The entire Comey memo thing is literally sourced to one reporter listening to a trusted [to him] source read him part of a memo over the phone.

They, and the DNC (redundancy alert) need to be aware that Mueller can go wherever the evidence leads, which means towards the CGI, Obama, and his entire retinue.

Another thing: If Comey was, indeeed, keeping memos for every notable meeting he held, those are subject to FOIA requests.
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Another thing: If Comey was, indeeed, keeping memos for every notable meeting he held, those are subject to FOIA requests.

No they're not, at least most of them are not.

I'm VERY aware of the exceptions that can be used, and nearly everything he produces would fall under one or more.

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All i can say is
I never imagined i'd come to regard RT as the most "Fair and Balanced" network of them all.

Times they are a changin' .

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Oh I never regarded them as "fair and balanced."

No media outlet is.

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Yes, but whoever is "fair and balanced", and whoever claims that it is so of them or not, Bob Dylan was still a better prophet of "the times, they are a-changin" in 1964 than anyone on the boob-tube today. (Or ever?)

And, man, the times, they are a-changin! Okay.

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Trump is right, this is nothing but a witch hunt. We ALL know the Obama administration was surveilling Trump for almost 2 years and if they had anything on Trump they would have used it before Nov 8th.

A special counsel is supposed to investigate a crime and most of the things that have been leveled at the Trump administration are not criminal acts. Lets assume that Trump did collaborate with the Russians show me the criminal statute. Collaborating with the Russians to get yourself elected not a criminal act. Terrible, morally wrong, but not criminal. The same thing is true with the leaking of the information to the Russians.

Mueller has no jurisdiction to explore whether he made political mistakes, did terrible things, engaged in wrongdoing. Only criminal acts.

What is the law Trump (or anyone in his campaign) violated to warrant this investigation?
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Chaos, lies, mistrust and suspicion are being sown everywhere and I think that is the plan.
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Collaborating with the Russians to get yourself elected not a criminal act. Terrible, morally wrong,......


I'm not at all sure about that. In fact i disagree.
It looks to me like Putin more champions Western Civilization than do Obama and his Democrats .

Politics makes strange bedfellows.



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Just got through reading an article by Gary North on the coming Great Default.
He points out that now and for the next 20 years about 10,000 Baby Boomers a Day are hitting the system and as has been discussed by Karl and the rest of us the Social Program parts of the Budget keep expanding at a exponential rate.

As it does, the part of the budget, Non-Defense Non-Discretionary Spending as % is dropping and will be gone in short period of time.

North feels the Great Default or Reset is coming, he thinks in about 10 to 20 years, but as Karl has pointed out the growth of Health Care,and Interest on the Debt may well catch up with us way before then.

Here is a link to North's article, he is using 2015 Budget numbers and I see that just for Health Care that number was $937 Billion which we now know is more than 1.3 Trillion or more, it is growing faster than I believe North realizes.

https://lewrockwell.com/2017/05/gary-nor....

That Great Reset is closer than anyone thinks.

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Meh -- if you lump "social programs" together you will NEVER address the issues. Anyone writing on this who fails to distinguish is someone who I will not waste the time to read; they are not interested in solutions AT ALL and in fact are nothing more than a cheap political hack-*****.

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The point is that none of these issues are ever going to be addressed.

We, as a country, have passed the point where any of our Politicians care about this country or it's future. Both parties have become not just corrupt, but totally and absolutely "Corrupt".

These "people" in Washington are more concerned about their power, perks, and Global Masters that solving our country's problems. Trump, if he never does anything else, helped to expose all of this. For his trouble he is being Pilloried and probably will not get much of anything done. He may even be forced from office. The MSM then can claim another President they "GOT", ala Richard Nixon.

The real question is will "We the people" do anything about it, or will we just cower and let it happen. Since no one seems to care about the things we discuss here I am not hopeful that anyone will rise up. A real expression of outrage would be something like a General Strike and/or a March on D.C. by 4 Million people. Don't hold your breath.

If there is any hope at all it will be the Collapse that is coming.

By the way I have read a number of Gary North's pieces over the last several years and he is worth reading for his insights.
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This whole episode smells like complete bull ****.

The DNC and media say the Russians hacked the election. What is the proof they offer? Well the company that set up and ran the DNC servers is the only source for evidence of Russian hacking. Crowdsource is the only party who has had access to the DNC servers.


The DNC has repeatedly refused to let the FBI look at the servers. This makes no ****ing sense at all! If the Russians hacked the servers then this is a matter of national security, so the FBI should go to any lengths necessary otherwise they are not protecting the country. How can the FBI be investigating when they are not investigating?


https://www.wired.com/2017/01/fbi-says-d....

And this Narrative has changed it has been morphed into something different. The first story was the Russians hacked the election and showed how ****ty the DNC and Hillary really are.

Now the new story has turned into the Russians not only hacked the election they colluded with Trump and his people in the election.

Again that makes no ****ing sense! If I'm Russia with all my spies and analysts I'm not going to put any effort at all in Trump, he is blowhard jerk with zero experience in politics.

Really I think the Russians hacked the election in a much more sinister way. They got Trump into office because they actually supported Hillary and the DNC.

They got Trump in, because they forced the DNC to be complete douche bags who stole the parties nomination from Bernie Sanders and fed debate question to Hillary. The Russians master stroke was to get Hillary in their, since was under investigation for violating Federal law and mishandling of classified material. And she clearly had major health issues, and got of the campaign trail for long periods right before the election.

Could you find a worse candidate than Hillary, I mean Trump beat her!

Don't forget this whole Russian hacking story was put forth by Hillary's team after she lost.

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The point is that none of these issues are ever going to be addressed.


Yes. They will. 100% chance.

The only question remaining is how much pain the general public will take before they decide to address them. The amount of pain the general public takes will be, IMO, relatively proportional to the amount of damage they do when the time does come.

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Both of these political parties were douchebags before the Russians. They'll be the same after.

As far as Mueller I'm now waiting for his Breitbart moment. The enemy goes deeper than anything Trump could have done in 5 months!

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The amount of pain the general public takes will be, IMO, relatively proportional to the amount of damage they do when the time does come.

That is the problem, in a nutshell.

The politicians believe they can escape the laws of mathematics, which is impossible. You can hide the consequences for a very long time, but you can't escape from them.

Unfortunately a mob has little or no cognitive ability or focus, and thus just destroys without regard to whether they are targeting their anger appropriately.

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Did you guys see the latest gem? smiley
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a person familiar with his thinking says

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/j....

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