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Drole
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Karl: What is the make/model of that smaller bear can?
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Bear can: http://www.bareboxer.com/

Same basic design as the Garcia (slightly different latch design), but smaller. Exactly what I wanted.

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Couple of quick questions for your next trail break; Does the permethrin soaked pants and shirts bother your skin when you start to sweat? Does it weather well through rain showers? In Oklahoma we have voracious chiggers that compete with the ticks and black flies, I'm thinking of soaking socks in a solution to keep them off my ankles through the grasslands but I'm afraid the chemical /sweat mixture would be horrendous. Do you have a favorite type of trail pants, perhaps with side pockets for a phone? Speaking of phone, how are you charging your Blackberry out there?
Thanks, Happy Trails!

ZERO issues.

I have adopted the Rail Riders pants for backcountry use; they're long pants but unlike many "convertible" designs (which zip off the legs) these have a zip on each side that when open exposes mesh so your lower legs get ventilated but are still protected. They're very light, thin, don't overheat you and are just fan****ingtastic. Plus they have Insect Shield (Permethrin) built into them which allegedly will withstand 60 washings without being depleted. I don't know if I believe THAT, but we shall see.

For a base layer shirt I take the same basic approach, except there I found a shirt at REI that is nylon-based and is very light and breathable -- but long sleeve. For socks I wear "smartwool" year-round and a Tilly Hat on top.

The pants and shirt were frightfully expensive, but I only need ONE set and they appear to wear very well. I might buy a second set just to have it and if I was thru-hiking I might consider carrying them; both are just over a pound (combined.)

The shirt, smartwool socks and Tilly Hat I treated myself with permethrin. Didn't need to do the pants as they came already set up. I have had ZERO trouble with any sort of irritation or anything else even when working very hard. You can get the permethrin at Wally World although if you can find it in a non-petroleum solvent concentrate it'd be cheaper to buy it in a big can and dilute. Just be very, very careful with the liquid around cats; once dried it's safe but the liquid will poison them.

Stay away from anything with cotton in it for clothing out there; it STINKS in very short order. This setup I can hike in for a couple to three days before it noticeably starts to get nasty with BO.

That's my base layer; in other than blazing summer I also carry a synthetic vest that compresses to almost nothing in size and weighs almost nothing (for warmth) and always carry a very lightweight rain parka, plus a set of polypro underwear (top and bottom), a lightweight beanie cap and light gloves in shoulder season for nighttime use. I HAVE wound up (in February in N. GA) with EVERYTHING on in my sleeping bag and was still cold -- a bit colder and I would have said "**** it" and hiked out in the middle of the night to avoid hypothermia. Yeah, it was ****ing ridiculous that night (close to "your******will freeze before it hits the ground" cold) -- the next morning, while moving, I was back to my base layer within an hour.

I have a small USB power bank that I carry in the backcountry; it's primary use is to top off my Garmin watch. If I have the power budget I'll charge the phone too, but that's secondary. I normally leave the phone on "airplane" when in the backcountry; it will last for a week in that mode without being recharged but of course if I turn the radios on then it starts sucking power again.

I'm back for the time being now.... the weather looked to be turning nasty and there's a cat issue to attend to (have cat and didn't make arrangements for him to be dealt with while gone, so I'm time-limited in how long I can be continually out.) Next trip up there is going to be Anaclote Falls (AT approach) to Neels', which (other than Blood Mountain area) I haven't done yet. This trip was a intended to be a couple of sections of the AT + a couple of other trails around the Helen area that I hadn't done before and sounded nice -- and were.

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It occurs that this event might not fit your time frame at all, Karl, so here are a few links to the August 21, 2017, total solar eclipse that will be observable in lots of places from the Oregon coast to South Carolina at the Atlantic. https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/

If you're on the Southern AT or near it you might consider this map. http://www.eclipse2017.org/2017/maps/ky-....

One more link with some pretty good information: https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/sola....

That would make for some really enjoyable hiking, I think.

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I am already set up for the eclipse.... but will not be hiking. I want my camera gear with me -- all of it -- for that one.

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When I know I will stay on the road a long time for a business trip before reaching my destination, I carry pemmican from these guys that I freeze before setting out:

http://grasslandbeef.com/beef-pemmican-h....

0.3 Kcal/g more and 0.02 less net carb per gram than the Duke's Hatch Green Chile sausages, and the packaging is very minimalist. However, the Duke's sausages taste FAR better, so thanks for the tip Karl.

Are you getting calculated burned Kcal estimates from just pace/elevation data off your Garmin, or does it also include in the calculations simultaneous sensor data from a heart rate monitor? I've always wondered about the accuracy of those calculations, because my Wahoo TICKR heart rate monitor with pace/elevation data computes a ridiculously-high 1000 calories for a 2 mile run-walk-run (hit 150-160 bpm, wait until 130 bpm, then run up to 150-160 bpm again, etc.), when it should be closer to 150 calories.
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My current Garmin has OHR and adjusts caloric burn for workload - it's pretty good in that regard. The sensor package in the watch includes both barometric altimeter and accelerometers.

My older unit didn't have OHR and without the strap would be wildly off on the low side if a lot of elevation gain or heavy load carrying was involved. And I ain't wearing no damn chest strap while hiking. I do when running as there are running dynamics that it gets from the centrally - located accelerometer in the strap if you do wear it and that data is quite useful to me.

As one example a segment of my recent fun was 9 miles @ 2156' of elevation gain. That recorded as 1550 kcal consumed for the segment and given the level of exertion involved is within the boundaries of reason (running or walking tends to be around ~110 kcal/mi with no additional load carried on flat ground.)

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Thank you again Karl,

found the Dukes at the local (as in walking distance) Walgreens and my Shoprite (food) store as I try not to go to my local Wally world.

Then I stopped by the local running store and they stopped carrying Altra shoes some time back but they had some in the back. They had one pair my size, 12.5 for $50 Paradgm 1.5. Been walking in them for a few hours now and they are great and I've already ordered a pair of dress shoes now that I know my size (Instinct Everyday Fashion Sneaker).

Thanks

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In case any female would be hiker is around I'll comment on the trail clothes too. Or at least my favorite items.

The pants I wear nearly all the time are polyester Nike, they are very tough (have worn them for 7 years including for my daily walks and they are still like new, hard to believe). They are mid calf length and just wide enough to be comfortable whatever you do. When it is hot I just roll them up to knee level. Purchased on sale for $10 to 20.
Alternative for really hot and hiking only: some knee level nylon shorts with pockets all over, the largest pockets (Velcro closing) are lined with polyester mesh, so if you get into water to say waist level they will drain instantly. They are actually men's shorts (I found women clothes sometimes just not as practical) about $10 at Kmart, I got 3 of them about 7 years ago too.

Favorite top: skin tight top with straps ie summer top or or winter base layer . Nylon and spandex, totally seamless (no seams om the sides) about $6 at Walmart. They used to have great colors (and they were slightly thicker) 4-5 years ago, but they still carry them in light colors. They last forever hand washed in cold water with hand soap.

For cold: Under Armour tight leggings nylon-polyester-elastane. They fit fine under the shorts, and if I have to under the pants above too but they are a thick and tight shell. Again on sale, likely $20 or so over 4 years ago.

Weight: the 4 pieces together: about a pound.

For rain: Frog Togs (Walmart again)

My 30 year old sky jacket is synthetic but tested on the slopes.

So very modular and odor free.

I will be hunting for a T shirt and a fleece and it should be more than enough for 3 seasons.

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I haven't looked for a location yet, but I'm going to be somewhere south of maryville or gatlinburg for the eclipse.

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Asimov, I hear that Clingman's Dome will be particularly spectacular.

It's also going to be crowded, I figure. I'm looking at near Clarksville, or between there and Cookeville.

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Clingman's will be a total zoo. In fact I expect the access road for Clingman's to be essentially zero-movement 24 hours in advance of it until it's over, so plan accordingly.

You can't attempt to hike in down the AT (it goes right past there) and sit either, as you need a permit in the Park AND you cannot camp "at large" in the park either -- only at the shelters. This makes that immediate area great from a viewing perspective, but an utter ****ing madhouse is going to ensue and the odds of you get wound up in it and having a less than serene experience are near total.

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We're planning on being just east of Nashville during the eclipse. Have not found a spot yet; Still looking. We're located about 1.5 hours west of Nashville.

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Ok just received my Duke's...Spicy has a nice sustained heat. Could be a bit hotter but that's a personal choice. Overall, worth it.

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I reserved a hotel in the path of the totality quite a while back; it's not EXACTLY ideal if I wind up having to chase but it's far enough off the beaten track that I've got a crack at a successful chase if the WX is uncooperative to some degree, and I got the room before that particular place jacked prices (or filled up.)

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Eclipse party at Karl's room!!! smiley

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My plan (such that it is) is to drive to the general area and find a small town park.

No way I'm going to try to go someplace like clingman's or anywhere else with a name that's recognizable/going to attract crowds.

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Karl, off topic but I would like to point out a potential bug in the ticker forum. When viewing ticker comments on page 1 the text looks normal, however moving to page 2 and beyond, the text gets increasingly larger. This is on an Android mobile using the Chrome browser. Is this an expected behavior or is there a viewing setting I am missing? Makes it difficult to read comments with reading glasses.
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Not aware of anything that would cause that, and it doesn't do it on my Android device....

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1st page compared to last page manually zoomed out all the way.
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Thumbs up on the "no boots". I wear Innov-8 210 Talons. I did a 10 day hike with Ryan Jordan (ultra-light backpacker) in the Bear Tooth Mountains up in Montana. We used the Steripen (UV light) for water purification. Worked great until day 8 when I had battery problems. Switched over to the Aquamira drops.

I assume that you have read "AWOL on the AT"? I used to work with David Miller when I worked in Melbourne. We worked for the same software company and I used to do roofing jobs on the weekend with David. I moved up to Maryland just after he started his hike. He quit his job a couple years after he got back and now just writes AT books.

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Nope, never read AWOL....

Steripens are nice when they work. Not so much when they don't, and I always want a filter anyway -- since I'm going to carry one the Sawyer is a good choice as it's effective on bacteria and larger, provided you never let it get frozen.

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I am a four season hiker and will be adding the Dukes Sausages to my hiking pantry. I have made my own Pemmican in the past but it is labor intensive. I have hiked the Bob Marshall Wilderness North to South in years past and plan to hike it East to West this year.

An old adage about hiking equipment that carries over to other hobbies / activities is you can go cheap or you can go light, but not cheap and light. I do carry both a filter and sterilizing drops.

I will have to look for those zip-vented pants as those sound like they would work better than the zip-off legs. Smartwool is the way to go for hiking multiple days in cold weather for a base layer as synthetic fabrics like polypro readily accept BO and in fact make it smell much worse.
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Not ALL synthetic fabrics. Yes, polypro does. The nylon-based stuff in the Rail Riders doesn't. I don't know why, but it doesn't and I fully expected it to.

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Another reason I avoid synthetic fibers is that they melt and stick to your skin if you get a campfire spark on them. That is not a problem with smartwool.
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so yes you would have to be really careful when using a bear flare (AKA marine flare), not that it would be your main focus at the time...

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