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Adamsrm
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In order to save weight I suggest bringing dehydrated water. The instructions are posted here:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-You....

Apparently Bernard sells cans of dehydrated water. They also have organic versions as well. I have not seen any guaranteed to be dihydrogen monoxide free but if you can find them, I would recommend paying the extra.
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We have known this for hundreds of years. In the polar regions you can get through 6500 calories a day. You might have to haul your food with you for a month. So it might be pemmican, butter, cheese and biscuits.

"Sledging rations"

Added benefit of being low in um, yield.
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Slightly OT, but mentioning the carb laden content of most backpacking food, as well as long term storage food, you can make your own with a freeze dryer. There is now a home version that I own and it's awesome to freeze dry main meals, meats, veggies, eggs and dairy for LTS or camping. Unlike dehydrated food, FD food rehydrates almost immediately. I use mine to preserve garden excess, eggs(getting around 18-20 a day now), meats etc. to build an emergency supply of food and to have quick ready to eat meals on hand. They are spendy but I can freeze dry protein for a fraction of buying it and I can make my own meals, like real chili instead the that chili-mac crap that is half pasta. For trail use, it is true you need water, but it tastes far superior to dehydrated food, and if already cooked, doesn't need heating up.
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Duke's sausages are just plain good.
Randyvw
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i like the kirkland trail mix. anyone want to weigh in on that? nuts, m&m's,raisins, pretty tasty. the boy scout manual can be a BIG help for backpackers, in MANY ways.

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Just buy nuts. Better density.

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My problem with nuts is that they don't fill me up. For some reason I don't reach satia with them.

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how do i make one of those frownie faces?...went to local walmart and they didn't have the spicy dukes, but i did pick up some old wisconsin turkey sausage to try. they DO have dukes spicy online at walmart, which is where i will have to get them....i got about 50 pounds to lose, and the turkey seems to have roughly same calories, but less fat....bottom line for ME is i get the one that tastes better, so i actually stick to my "diet".

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Honest question on the peanuts, why are these excluded? I get that they aren't actually nuts, but the macronutrient makeup is just about right. I actually tend to keep these in my rotation of nuts I keep around the house for snacking.
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Karl, thanks for this post. I'm a relatively new member of the FTA and like the idea of the ultra light thru hiker. Was struggling with how to make that mesh with the Paleo lifestyle. Not that big a deal when doing day labor 'trail maintenance' but gets more complicated when trying to plan a Key West to Fort Pickens trek. Much appreciated.
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How about carrying (mostly) sticks of butter? It has the maximum possible (or damn near) ratio of Fat calories to everything else, and has been reliably available at Aldi for $2.80 a pound (it's on sale this week for $1.99). Only issue is keeping it cold for the duration.


Butter doesn't need refrigeration. It's fine just left out on the counter like your grandparents did. :)

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Yeah, but it will be a liquid.... And very messy.

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I found the Dukes sausage at Costco. Simple ingredients and really simple processing - basically mix spices, grind, stuff and smoke. This is really just like jerky but they can include more fat because it is stuffed in a casing. One package in the display must have not been sealed properly and was moldy.

For the nuts they are usually just roasted and salted.

What is really cool is how little your selection is processed.

Throw in some cheese and you have my go to snack/quick meal.
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Yeah, but it will be a liquid.... And very messy.


Uhhh, melt it down, carry it in a thermos, and drink it? (Maybe you can mix in something to flavor it... Garlic? Onion powder? Sage?)

Apotheoun: *How* super-cheap? I might be willing to budget for it.
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btw a . Lb package of butter measures 2 1/2" by 2 1/2" by 4 13/16", which puts the specific volume at or slightly below 16.6666 fluid ounces per pound (density 0.92 g/cc). (Butter should float - barely.) I expect it will expand somewhat when melted...
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Trader Joe's salami.

8oz

90 cals per serving
60 cals from fat per serving

8 servings per stick.

$4/ea. No refrigeration necessary.

Delicious.

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Question about carbohydrates and trail hiking.

I get that carbs are the tertiary food source, and agree with the weight penalty associated with carrying them. Outdoor stores (REI, Sportsman Warehouse, etc) carry tons of dried carb meals.

I'm trying to remember earlier writings on carbs, when the cardinal rule was, "Don't fill your glycogen stores." (or something like that)

If you are in steep terrain and going through hiking, you are going to be working your ass off (literally). I'm 80kg plus 10-15kg for a pack, depending on if I expect rain or foul weather. If I change 1000m in height, I'm going to hit 4000 calories easily, and it will be a full body workout.

I normally keep my total carb intake under 75gr for the day, on average (Dad is T2 diabetic), with next to none of it in starches, sugars, or any white, fluffy foods.

So, if I am on that kind of burn, won't the carbs get burned as fast as they are consumed, thus eliminating much of the problems with eating carbs? (getting the ****s notwithstanding) [****storm]

I get that carb consumption is a low priority, but is it not largely ameliorated due to the higher total caloric burn? In effect, with that kind of burn, does it somewhat mimic the "peasant" diet and issues with that?


I'm doing an Olympic Mountain through hike this August with my 14yo. (turning 50)smiley I was wondering how to avoid a carb-fest on the hike. Fatty meats, fish pouches (salmon), sausage, salami, nuts, and dried fruits (carbs) was what I had in mind. I wanted to avoid prepackaged, freeze dried meals found at outdoor sports stores.

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problem was solved long ago by native indians and fur traders - use pemmican (probably hard to find - but hey... they were abe to do their own centuries ago - we should be able to do it as well...)
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I picked up some of the Duke's products last night. The original is good, but the hatch green chile is amazing. Both will be in my pack for my 95 miles in Yellowstone this summer.
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Re: eating butter as a stand alone--it took me a while to try this but it does work, and it's delicious! I used to eat a small amount of 50/50 mix of cream cheese and butter for breakfast as my substitute for a bagel with butter and cream cheese (one of my "fattie-self" pleasures). Eventually, I figured out that just butter is easier and actually tastier and more satisfying. Inspired by Karl, I started HFMPLC 1/2/14 and lost 75 lbs in roughly a year. For maintenance, I stay on my regimen but allow myself an occasional "cheat day". A cheat day is one day only, one meal only, of what ever I want. I usually reserve cheat days for holidays or parties and try to limit it to no more than one day a month, except during the high holiday season, during which I try to limit it to two or three.

A typical HFMPLC day for me includes: Breakfast: coffee with light cream and one teaspoon of sucralose; six pecan halves; two teaspoons of softened butter eaten slowly with a spoon between sips of coffee. Lunch: two thin slices of hard salami; one ounce slice of sharp cheddar cheese; coffee. Dinner: Vegetable with generous amount of buttery/creamy/or cheesy sauce; small piece (2-3 ounces) of meat prepared with bacon fat or butter, and/or with original fat/chicken skin on it. Occasionally, (once a week) I'll have a dinner sandwich wrap made with low carb (6 net carbs) tortilla instead of my normal dinner. My favorite is a Reuben wrap made with a low carb pumpernickel wrap buttered on the outside; filled with sauerkraut, small amount of corned beef, swiss cheese and my homemade Russian dressing and grilled in a pan. I also make an Italian wrap using low carb white tortilla, ham, salami, pepperoni, mayonnaise, small slice of tomato, a lettuce leaf, small slices of onion and pepper, chopped green or black olives. I don't grill this one. Both are so delicious! On weekends, I generally eat brunch and dinner. Brunch is usually a western omelet with cheese or low carb crepes with a tablespoon of sucralose sweetened heavy cream/cream cheese/vanilla mixture and a few chopped walnuts. Once in a blue moon, I might have two sugar free Vortmann's wafer cookies with coffee, or a half cup of Breyer's sugar free ice cream with sugar free ice cream topping (Smuckers makes the best), but that is really rare. I rarely ever feel deprived, and am more active and healthier than before. I have a family history of obesity, adult onset diabetes and cancer, so being able to maintain this lifestyle is absolutely critical for me. I know I would never have tried this, if not for Karl and some of the other Market Ticker members who posted success stories. So a huge thank you to Karl, and the other posters who encouraged me to save my own life!

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I get that carb consumption is a low priority, but is it not largely ameliorated due to the higher total caloric burn? In effect, with that kind of burn, does it somewhat mimic the "peasant" diet and issues with that?

Yes, to a large degree.

However, that's not the point. The point is that you can choose between 4cal/gm and 9cal/gm foods and if keto-adapted there is no penalty and plenty of benefit to the 9cal/gm ones.

If not keto-adapted this will be a disastrous choice -- doing "carb flu" while hiking is going to make you HATE life. But for someone who is already adapted to burning fats it's all benefit since you get to reduce your carried mass by quite a lot and that really does matter. In addition I believe you cycle less water (carbs require more water to process in the body thus you would expect to have to take more in and******more out on a "cycling" basis while digesting carb-based foods) which may reduce your water requirement somewhat. That I have no way to scientifically test but if it's true it's another monstrous advantage because water is insanely heavy per unit of volume and of course you HAVE to have it.

You can get a quite-serviceable 5-6lb backpacking tent for right around $100. One that is under 4lbs is $300! Being keto-adapted allows me to drop 2+lbs off my carried mass when I resupply (or start a hike) for zero cost.

While I CAN eat carb-laden food on-trail and probably not suffer from doing so due to the rapid burn-up of calories why would you and carry the additional weight for no benefit?

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Another backpacker here...

I tailor my food plan depending on the length of the hike, weather/climate, and how much spare weight I have in my pack relative to other gear choices. On shorter trips in pleasant weather, where I don't need to lug out a large zero degree bag or a four season shelter, I've got spare capacity for more elaborate meals. For something like this, I'll take a dehydrated meal and perhaps supplement it with real food. As an example, dehydrated gumbo, but will supplement it by adding in some chopped shelf-stable sausage. Or dehydrated potatoes and gravy, supplemented with some chopped beef jerky that I can let reconstitute in warm water for a bit.

Totally agree on the nuts, I constantly graze on handfuls of nuts all day long, all trip long, while hiking on the trail. I always keep a few sacks of jelly belly electrolyte beans in reserve in case of cramps, or if I need a blast of fast glucose to get over a pass or something.

On longer trips, or in cold weather, food choices are more discriminate. Butter is a really good store of energy from a weight/size perspective, and in cool weather it's shelf stable. I'll add butter to every meal, hell I'll even add a pad of butter to my morning coffee. Then some ramen, and a few pats of butter. Graze on nuts during the day, maybe a snickers for lunch. Dehydrated dinner with a protein, add butter. For a pre-bedtime dessert, muscle milk power mixed with WHOLE milk powder makes for a tasty shake. Most dehydrated milk is sold as lowfat, but I buy a Mexican brand that makes WHOLE fat dehydrated milk as a childrens' food.

The water system depends on the conditions. I usually bring along a gravity filter. If I'm in the pristine Sierras where there's lots of granite and less sediment, I'll just use aquamira drops and leave the filter at home. If in the desert or something and brackish water is the only solution, I'll use both the filter and the drops.

I'm not really concerned about glucose stores in my body, I'm burning them off. Easy to burn 3000 calories a day, which I am most likely not eating, and you can burn 4000 or more if out in cold weather... where eating these calories becomes much more important. And, this is where the quantities of butter become a larger staple of the food plan.

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I bring a Sawyer and Aquamira; the drops take up almost no space or mass. The problem with filters is that they are not necessarily effective against viruses, no matter what you're told. The aquamira drops are the same chemistry used in municipal water supplies and are not taste-altering (unlike the other chemical treatment options which are.) The downside is that it takes ~5 minutes to "activate" (before being added to the water), and then another 20 minutes or so for the treatment to be fully effective, but my ritual for filling water takes care of most of the time requirement since it also takes time for the filtering.

NONE of the systems suitable for backpacking work against material chemical contamination, but this is not something you normally have to worry about in the backcountry (there's not much risk of someone tossing a few gallons of paint thinner or similar into your water supply out there!)

If I can figure out how to add butter I certainly will as an "add-on" for the coffee and on/in anything else; the issue becomes one of mess potential, and anything that can "blow up" in that regard in your pack can get very ugly because if it happens it makes your pack a rodent + bear attractant and that's very bad news at night! I'm very sensitive to not having that happen and have never had a problem as a result.

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your pack can get very ugly because if it happens it makes your pack a rodent + bear attractant and that's very bad news at night!

Oh yeah. I haven't had any 'close' encounters with bears, fortunately, but have had many with other critters. I've seen some crafty and fearless marmots dig into a pack that had exposed food. Not pretty.

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