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Comrader
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I was born at home in 1952. I was second oldest of 5 all born at home. a few years back my mom showed us the doctor bills. just a 3" square of paper that said delivery of baby $25 and the doc's signature. the last of the 5 was born in 1960 and the price doubled, $50. my last daughter was born 19 yrs ago and we had no insurance. the total was over 10 grand. I new that I got screwed. karl showed me how and why! at every doc appointment my wife was encouraged to get government help to pay. should have done it, collapse this mess quicker.
Flappingeagle
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I have found to solution to our problems!

Go to the O'Reilly Auto Parts homepage and search for item number 121G.

You can thank me later,

Flap

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Here are my predictions for everyone to see:
S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu.
No sign that housing, equities, or farmland are in a bubble- Yellen 11/14/13
Trying to leave the Rat Race to the rats...
Tickerguy
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smiley

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Winding it down.
Mannfm11
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DFW, Tx
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Drain the Swamp. Trump isn't Hitler. He is a business man, not a politician. At 70 years old, he has little capacity to look at a budget through the eyes of a politician, because his mind isn't built that way. Look at his cabinet. Mainly business, like the State Department and Commerce.

The US government is built around defense, medical system, education, regulations to restrict trade and banking. These functions involve a well paid bureaucracy and plums for select businesses and individuals. Leftists live in universities and leftists in government (they don't preach conservatism in government connected education, thus people in government are educated leftists) feed the intellectuals in education.

The plum of socialism is the control of health and food. That was and is the purpose of the FDA. The department of education is to create boxes of rocks, instead of bright minds. I heard that the LA school system produced 29% competency in math, with black students reaching a mighty 18%. My guess is competency is around a high level 6th grade student. This is a level most Americans reached without going to school. I doubt many can read at a higher level, so the leftist idiots on TV rule the information in most areas.

It is said Trump got a head start. Contrary to popular opinion, it isn't hard to believe someone in Trump's business could go broke with a multimillion dollar head start. He thought he was rich once and found himself on the ropes. Many of these tech billionaires and those on Wall Street can't relate to the well collapsing. They have shifted the risk to others, through selling it to others

This is what government has evolved to, grabbing the money and shifting the cost to others. This is what all this orchestrated protest is about, not immigration. That is a leftist stage show or a plot to bring down the west and ensure they can spy on us.

Obamacare was a big **** you to the working Americans in the middle-class. It was chiseled in stone with the 60 votes needed to repeal. How did they overthrow the constitution? We don't see Trump's plan, because of a couple of factors. One being, what I just wrote, as the Democrats are married to the current plan and 80% of elected politicians in DC are put there for the sole purpose of stealing from the masses and restricting competition for the few. The only way we get rid of the mess is to follow the 5th amendment in its original meaning and enforce the takings clause when it comes to socialism. Get the federal government out of welfare.

The Deep State is comprised of the bureaucracy, the spy agencies, K Street, the drug companies, the education *****s and the financial services businesses. Banking and drugs has been involved in the Federal Government from the start. The American flag is a modified version of the flag of the British East India Company, a dealer in arms and opium. Coincidence? Maybe, but it would be a big reach.

How large are entitlements? The typical social security benefit is between $12k and $15k per year. We are talking about $200k annuity, actually paid as we go, as the money has been spent. My guess is it is paid to about 45 million people, thus we are looking at around $600 billion annually. That leaves around $3.5 trillion for other things. Another $600 billion goes to debt interest, a figure that could rapidly go to $1 trillion or more, as the legitimate interest rate should be around 5%. In either case, we are still looking at a pool of spending in the amount of $10k per capita remaining. In another angle, employment being around 150 million, close to $20k per job, after taking out the retirement side of social security and interest on the debt. These are not small potatoes. Half the jobs in the US pay $30k or less, so we must look at the remaining federal budget wiping out the entire earnings of the bottom half of the working population and more. I'm making a decent living and my taxes don't pay my share and neither do I wish to do so.

You can give 10 million people $30k a year for $300 billion. 100 million the same for $3 trillion, a figure that isn't much more than the retirement side of social security and the interest. These figures should raise some questions as to what is going on in DC. It is an organized crime syndicate that is likely benefitting a large share of the top 10%. Being that you bankrupt the portion of the top 10% that isn't heavily at the trough for Federal money, if you tax them, to pay for this theft, we are left without any solution with the status quo.

I must also add the truest fact, which is that taxes are always borne by the middle class. Business is nothing more than a transferee. Inflation is used to hide this fact. It comes out of our pockets somewhere, as nothing can be paid later that isn't paid in the first place.

To the subject. My brother and I are going to OKC again. Bill had a hernia repaired there last year and has one on the other side. I have my own problems. He related to me last night the last surgery cost him $3060, including examinations. The cheapest bid he could get for the operating room here was $6000. Nothing else included and who knows what else they would put on the bill. You can bet the other charges would be a repeat of the operating room, thus we are talking 3 to 4 times the cost, cash.

Why? Because we live in a system where the majority are not required to deal with direct costs, which are hidden behind the insurance system. The consumer pay for insurance to limit his costs, then pays more in deductibles on this procedure than it costs to get it done. Do you think for one minute the operating room would cost double the entire procedure, if the consumer knew he had to pay? No, the facility that quoted the best price in this instance, would be out of business, if they had to live with that price with competition.

One thing OKC showed me was how simple most minor procedures are. The surgeon is skilled. The anesthesiologist is skilled. They revive you and you go home. Though the surgeon needs the skill and knowledge, the procedures are most likely not that much harder than changing the spark plugs in some cars.

I described the government racket, because medicine is a big part of the racket. Education is a big part of the racket, as it is used to restrict the supply of competent personnel. The FDA is a big part of the racket, as is the US patent office, which shouldn't allow some of the bull**** that goes on in the drug industry. Congress and typically the President are the biggest part. We have Trump, who, no matter what you think of him, is probably our one big chance to change the system.

Remember, we had the choices of Bush I & 2, McCain, Dole and Romney, on the Republican side and the 2 Clintons, Gore, Kerry and Obama one the Democratic side for the previous 7 elections. Compared to Trump, these people are all minnows. They are on the ticket, because they represent business as usual and their policies presented in government are really nothing but social engineering. Brainwashing is a better term. We have a guy who stands up and says, **** this bull**** and let's get down to business.

You think Trump cares about his insurance plan? He goes in and writes a check, which means he sees the bill. Worrying about this kind of benefit is beyond a billionaire, a waste of time and money. I doubt he has had coverage, as the time involved would cost him more than the bill. He made $250 million in 2005, meaning a day of his time is worth a million dollars when you take out weekends. Think he does not notice a hospital room costs as much as his top hotel rooms?

Then we have Congress and the bureaucracy. Think they even see a medical bill? They can't relate. We drive used Pintos. They ride in chauffeur driven limos. But, they can relate, if they had to pay.

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Attilahooper
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New York, by way of Montreal Canada.
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Good rant Mannfm. I mentioned in other tickers, but it bears repeating for those shopping for surgery, that Canada is a good alternate for medical tourism. ~6 years ago a good friend had a double hernia operation at shouldice clinic in Ontario. He described it as two weeks at a country club chatting nurses, $18k out of pocket. I don't know what current prices are but, with the looney at >20% discount, it must be a heck of a lot cheaper than the US.

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Vernonb
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I have found to solution to our problems!

Go to the O'Reilly Auto Parts homepage and search for item number 121G.


Good one Flaps. The sad thing is that you know quite a few people must have been requesting this thing for them to put it on their page. Looks like they sold out already.

American education .... sigh... smiley


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Mtdm
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Double hernia? So, inguinal then. 18000 to stick a couple Bits of Mesh inside
The Abdomen is insane. How do you see that as reasonably priced?
Tickerguy
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The problem that even places like the Oklahoma Surgery Center have to deal with is that the devices and supplies are still being provided under monopolist pricing.

This is why you can't "just" patronize them and call it fixed. It's not. If you want to see "fixed" go have a bypass done in India. $2,000 instead of $10,000 and the doctor was not only trained in a US hospital all the gear and such were made by the same suppliers in use here.

The difference? There's no monopolist pricing there and as such the cost of said supplies and devices reflect a rational, free market -- at a tiny fraction of the cost of same in the United States.

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Winding it down.
Flappingeagle
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Facialbook must be getting desperate, it just suggested an LGBT group that I might actually like. Liquor, Guns, Bacon, and*****! Sign me up Zuckerburgler.

Flap

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Here are my predictions for everyone to see:
S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu.
No sign that housing, equities, or farmland are in a bubble- Yellen 11/14/13
Trying to leave the Rat Race to the rats...
Thebirddog
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"Tickerguy" wrote..
The problem is that the CURRENT price isn't $1,000 -- it's $8-10k.

~$11k for our youngest, with ~$1.5k billed back to us. Textbook delivery with no drugs involved. Scam.
Vitchilo
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Meanwhile :
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/....
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In First 2 Months in Office: Trump Reduced Debt by $100 Billion Obama Increased Debt by $400 Billion

And people believe this lol

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Krzelune
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You didn't even get the Nursery (plastic bowl on wheels with heating lamp) for an extra $3K?
Exppi
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Being an Orthodontist, I deal with insurance every day and we keep very good records/notes on all conversations with insurance companies. We have called them out several times. They are scum. Most people do not have the resources or knowledge to know how to fight back and would either pay the $430 or get their tax return garnished. It is beyond sickening. It is pure theft and borderline slavery.
Fun fact. Dental/ortho plans are well known for adverse selection among those who run the numbers. It isn't insurance when the p(braces)=1.0.
Nickdanger
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Another scam for the record books --

I was prescribed a cream for a couple of areas on my face that I have refused surgery for since it is not malignant, and I refuse to incur a charge of around $2000 estimated. I have insurance through my husband's employer, but it does not cover this proprietary cream.

If my insurance had covered part of it, it would have cost me $35. Without the coverage it is $75. This is with a manufacturer's rebate. The pharmacist told me that if the manufacturer did no offer a rebate, the cost would be about $1300!

I told him if it were $1300, I would not be buying it, and he told me no one else would either. So I'm guessing the pharma company gets to write off the rebated portion but still makes a killing on the product at $75, I'm sure. What a crock of ****.

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