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Crossthread
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Incept: 2007-09-04

Wilmington, NC
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KARL I'm facing ONE of your EXACT dilemmas.. You know, of course I'm renting ATM.. BUT...
I NEED to get My Wifes oven working before She fries
Me on the burners..
I've got the Control Board Problem....
My oven Does NOT have a "fuse" on the back.. The Control Board got fried..
There IS NOT a "replacement" board, it is... unavailable/ Discontinued. NO cross-reference to be had.. Even If there WAS, it's a 459.00 solution
Curious, I took out the control board.. there is on the BACK a clear strip/ 10 pin Ribbon type "cable"? (Much like the video ribbon for a Laptop screen) that burnt in half.. Heating elements are fine.. Though you know ANYWHERE? I can get one of the "ribbons"? I've looked.. It is EXACTLY like a video computer ribbon used inside Laptops.. If you need a picture I can post it..
I'm NOT going to buy a WHOLE NEW/USED 1500.00+ side-in stove, If a 2 inch long, .01 cent piece of Electronic ribbon is stopping the Stove from working..
(I know the reason WHY It burned in half, Lets just leave it @ that.. Lets just say Woman operator Error..)
Suggestions?

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Als
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Oh how I know, the electrician had to sleeve the wiring in every ceiling light fixture. The old lady was running two 100W-150W incandescent bulbs in every light in the house. She literally burned the insulation off the wiring two to three inches back from the connection to the light fixture.


FYI if you're driving a car over five years old this search engine can be a major money saver. It is a nationwide US, Canada and Mexico salvage yard part search engine. www.car-part.com
Tarmoney
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Incept: 2008-01-23
A True American Patriot!
LI, NY
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CK: I've found these to be the best for Al - CU. They are a little bulky to stuff in the boxes, though.
http://www.alcopstore.com/

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East Tennessee Eastern Time
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I heard recently from an engineering college professor who has seen engineering students who have never used a screwdriver.


Reminds me of stories my SO tells (retail management.) *More than once* people in college for business degrees have gone to work for her and couldn't make change. One of them had just graduated and was going into management.

Couldn't make change.

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Ckaminski: I love that guy. He's VERY intelligent, informative *AND* funny. I started with his first videos uploaded and have watched most. One of the only people I care enough about new vids being posted to subscribe to.

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Onelegged
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Incept: 2009-11-13

NW Colorado
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2016

Replaced timing belt in 2006 Tundra 5.5 hours -saved $800

New cylinder/piston in Stihl chainsaw - saved $360

Cut/delimbed/bucked/split/stacked 6 cords of firewood - saved $1180

Trackhoe for new sewer/ water service/ electric services - saved $9000

Full tune/headset and bottom bracket replacement on mountain bike - saved $300

Painted house - saved approx $3000

Removed and rebuilt tranfer case in log skidder - saved ? ($2000-4000?)

Cleaned chimney (ball of tire chains) saved $180

Removed 300+ inches of snow from driveway - saved $1000

Told government to bugger itself (ACA) saved $9,000

Cleared 1.5 acre of brush from property saved $4000

Installed trimwork in kitchen saved $600

Installed two new thermostats in water heater/ cleared sediment from tank saved $300

Repaired roof saved $500?

Adjusted valves in 4 stroke weed eater saved $100?

Etc. Etc. Etc.

The only thing I hired out in 2016 was a tire change on my wife's pick 'em up truck.



A year in the life.

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Dennisglover
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Incept: 2012-12-05

Huntsville, AL
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I well remember my maternal grandfather, Henry Grigsby, and his son, my uncle Walter Grigsby. In their way they were geniuses. Henry was superintendent of the Florence (Alabama) Cotton Mill at about age 28 (1920), and Walter was a tremendous "rough carpenter", and a few other things.

They built Henry's house on Park Street in the Village, probably about 1940. I've been told they built the house all by themselves, and have no problem imagining they could pour concrete, frame and fill in a very comfortable house, all the plumbing, insulation, heating, and the electrical. Henry, a tall man at about 76" or more, didn't care for bending over to cook or sit on the toilet, so they built pedestals for bathrooms and kitchen, etc. I have been in that house a few times, and it is beautiful, for 1940.

I had precious little contact with Henry, who died when I was 19, while I was in training at Great Lakes Naval Training Center. My Mother didn't want to "bother" me by telling me about his death until it was too late to attend the funeral. (At that time, 1971, the round trip between O'Hare and Huntsville cost at most $50.)

A fond memory is Walter taking me to hunt copper wires and such around our part of town in maybe 1958 or '59. He taught me about using a small fire to burn off the insulation and sell it back to a junk- or scrapyard. How did he teach that? By taking me to walk for miles with him between those yards, with no vehicle. Going on those Saturday excursions was almost as good as going to the public library.

In 1971 or '72 Walter showed me the tool boxes that Henry built, and the tools inside. I was in the Navy, and I too easily dismissed the wealth accrued in those tool boxes. As I remember there were four of them, larger than steamer trunks, built from solid oak, screwed and glued together, with two or three carrier shelves/drawers in each. Every drawer was filled with woodworking, measuring, electrical, plumbing, powered and hand-operated, tools of every description. But that was not the best part.

Each trunk, and each of its drawers, was fitted incredibly precisely for the tools and the positions the tools occupied within them. That, in itself, was beautiful. Even better was the realization that Henry, born in 1892, was in fact a strong and smart man, and Walter, born in 1917, was smart enough to try to impart that fact to me, displayed in Henry's toolboxes.

Memory's eye is dimmed now, but I think and I hope that I asked Walter to see that I received the tools as his and Henry's legacy to me after he died. He had grandsons, though, and I never heard about the tools, or the boxes, or the request, again.

Walter's daughter told me after he died (1980) that she had no knowledge of the tools or their final destination.

I hope you understand my reasons for believing that Henry and Walter were fine men, regardless of what other people might have thought of them then, or now.

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Tickerguy
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Curious, I took out the control board.. there is on the BACK a clear strip/ 10 pin Ribbon type "cable"? (Much like the video ribbon for a Laptop screen) that burnt in half.. Heating elements are fine.. Though you know ANYWHERE? I can get one of the "ribbons"? I've looked.. It is EXACTLY like a video computer ribbon used inside Laptops.. If you need a picture I can post it..
I'm NOT going to buy a WHOLE NEW/USED 1500.00+ side-in stove, If a 2 inch long, .01 cent piece of Electronic ribbon is stopping the Stove from working..
(I know the reason WHY It burned in half, Lets just leave it @ that.. Lets just say Woman operator Error..)
Suggestions?

Best option is probably to go grab some appropriate-gauge wire and make up your own "ribbon cable" of jumpers, and solder to both ends (you may have to de-solder the sockets first.) Those push-in cables are a bitch to find in the correct configuration (spacing and length) other than from the OEM.

It's somewhat-delicate work desoldering the original sockets (you need to watch the heat level so you don't lift traces) but not terrible. If it's a high-density (e.g. double-row) connector then it's materially harder and I'd look a lot before giving up on a replacement cable. The downside is of course that you're "marrying" the boards that used to be easily disconnected from each other.

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Aquapura
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Incept: 2012-04-19

South of Canada
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First you insinuate that trades businesses (HVAC, Electrical, Plumbers) dont have a right to markup their parts/equipment, so they can cover overhead, and pay a professional wage to their technicians and office people, and hopefully make 10% NET after all is said and done.


I surely wouldn't say all trade businesses are dirty but there certainly are those out there, as there are in any business. Personally I've helped a few neighbors and friends save thousand dollar expenses where the "professional" advise for replacement was absolutely flawed. That sort of thing is unacceptable in my book.

While I'm not against a business for marking up a part to cover their costs I do think its often egregious. Was having a devil of a time finding a replacement sensor for my furnace a few years back. Everyone was out of stock and I needed it ASAP as it was -10F outside and I was 100% on wood stove heat. Called a local HVAC co. which did have it. They wanted $95 for a part that sold online for $5. Sounds like medical billing. I paid overnight int'l shipping to get one in from Canada at a still significant discount over that.
Scirel
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Incept: 2015-01-04

Upstate NY
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A man after my own heart...

Yeah, this engineer tries to fix everything too. As you have demonstrated, about 90% of repairs involve connections, not components per se, which then tend to get damaged as a result of bad connections - joiners, links, switches, solder joints, rubber parts, etc., and especially when these things MOVE or are stressed continuously. Remember when they used to attach power plugs to laptop circuit boards using SMT connectors and everyone would replace the power supplies? Yikes...

But just had a vacuum cleaner go out. Wouldn't even TRY to startup afterward. Sounded like the motor was starting to seize a little, and then the lights dimmed before death - probably fully seized and blew out the thermal fuse. Called a friend who used to own a VC repair shop and he suggested a burial service. Old unit - no longer even sold or supported (but I saw replacement motors selling for almost $300 lol). I took his advice, and my wife found a nice replacement for 50 bucks. Figured I made the right choice there - sometimes you have to do a little research and make a call based on time and money considerations.

Fun post - thanks!
Tickerguy
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I surely wouldn't say all trade businesses are dirty but there certainly are those out there, as there are in any business. Personally I've helped a few neighbors and friends save thousand dollar expenses where the "professional" advise for replacement was absolutely flawed. That sort of thing is unacceptable in my book.

I don't have a problem with a rational mark-up either.

1,000% mark-up on an ignitor (or similar) is not "rational", it's rape.

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Roundabout
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Incept: 2009-10-16

South Side of the Sky
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Speaking of markup, I bought a new Honda HR-V this week. Dealer tries to sell me all the usual junk - extended warranty ($2,000), "Karr Alarm" ($750), and so on. I turned it all down, but I then discovered the car only comes with one so-called "Smart Key" Remote. The cost for a second key? $400 freaking dollars! When I balked, they reduced it to "only" $300. No way I was going for that. Went home and looked on eBay, found a brand new OEM unit for $49. I have to have a local locksmith cut the special key and program it (no instructions to be found anywhere on how to do it yourself or I would). Called a local locksmith, his charge is $75 for this service. Total cost: $125, compared to dealer rape, this seems cheap!

As for the "Karr Alarm", I had to insist that the dealer physically remove it from the car. Turns out, if you don't go for this rip-off, they use a special plug to bypass it and leave it in your new car, a useless piece of junk just waiting to cause wiring issues in the future. What a scam that is, they try to sell it to you for $750 but it's so worthless, they just abandon it and leave it there. No thanks!

On the other subject of burnt flex cables, I repaired many over the years I worked as a tech at Sony. Depending on the thickness of the traces in the cable, often I could scrape the plastic protective layer off to expose the bare copper trace and use thin wire to jumper over the burned copper area. You have to be careful but it possible to do, in many cases. The advantage of this is still being able to unplug the cable when needed for servicing. The feasibility of this will depend on the thickness of the copper trace, however, and each situation is different. Otherwise, Karl's suggestion is right on the money, and the only other alternative to repair without replacement of the flex cable.

OT question for Karl: Is there a reason I have to keep re-validating my account? I've had to do this several times over the past couple of years now. If I don't post often, does your system require someone to validate again? How long of an interval between posting activity would necessitate this? Thanks!

Tickerguy
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You just have to be signed in on a monthly basis - you do not need to post, but you do need to be logged in. If not the account will go into a "suspended" state automatically.

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Poorsaver
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Incept: 2008-05-20

Sunshine Tax State
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Last week my 2014 Jeep Cherokee instrument cluster display LCD show a vertical solid green line right near the middle. Very annoying. As I have 62K miles it's no longer under warranty. From Jeep, it would be over $1000 to replace. I searched eBay and found a cluster for $150. Before I ordered it I took apart the cluster and reseated the ribbon cable to the display with no luck. I ordered the cluster and put it in. Only problem was that the replacement cluster showed 15K miles, whereas mine is 62K miles. Upon researching this, it appears the mileage doesn't come from the main ECU but is stored on a chip in the actual cluster. But the ECU also records the mileage so if there's a mismatch it could throw an error code, or at the very least be caught down the road if you don't disclose it. I didn't feel comfortable leaving it like that, so I decided to tear apart both clusters and swap just the LCD display. It was quite a job, believe me, as I had to pull the speed and tach needles then realign them for accuracy, but I was successful. Works perfectly and my mileage is correct. By the way, the LCD display sticker said made in China. Of course.

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Kgmqt
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Incept: 2013-08-19

Minnesota
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Don't get me started on the car key issue. My 2004 Dodge Durango has stranded me twice - both times because the of the chipped key. The vehicle thought I was stealing it and basically cuts the engine out. Each time in bad spots and I had to get it towed to the dealer and get a new key - $500 bucks all in (tow, diags, new key) both times.

Growing up on a farm you learn to fix a lot of stuff. I am pretty good with most of the physical stuff - carpentry, drywall, plumbing, electrical, landscaping, equipment operation (again - farming). The multi-meter - not so much. I need to spend some time with that as I have a couple of fixes it could help with.

Last fall I had to fix my furnace - the burner fan wasn't running right. It would kick on and barely spin. I got in close, when I would try to run the furnace it sounded like the fan was pumping water. I pulled it apart and sure enough it was full of water (?!?!). I emptied it out and it fired up just fine - have had no issues since. Turns out my kid decided to stick the garden hose in the furnace exhaust last summer.

A few years ago I called the Maytag repair man on my dishwasher. It was still under warranty and it had stopped running. It would fill, then stop with a flashing light code on the button bar. Before calling I tried to look up any diagnostic information as to what the light flash might be - nothing. Best I found was 'call service'. Repairman comes out and unplugs the button bar and put power back to the washer. It ran through a default cycle, which means the button bar is bad - new button bar and a second visit. He said most likely one of the buttons is stuck or shorted.

He printed out a receipt of what I would have owed if not under warranty - $390 - for basically a failed 15 cent button. The button bar itself is a $80 part - at least I know for next time now that it is out of warranty.
Chaparral
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Los Angeles
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Aaaannnd, my 21yr old nephew doesn't know how to change a spare tire.

I got him a socket set a few Christmases ago and I got dirty looks from the brother in law. Apparently blue-collar work is beneath them.
Gatecrasher
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I've resurrected a few televisions and monitors by replacing the cheap Chinese crap-acitors, and done my own car and appliance repairs since I started driving. I can't imagine being so loaded as to consider paying someone else to do these things.

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Gatecrasher
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Also, as for the ribbon cable - if there is enough slack, another option might be to remove the connector from the end of the sort piece, and reconnect it to the longer one.

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We are not Iceland, or Ireland, or Italy, or even Zimbabwe.

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Roundabout
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South Side of the Sky
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Will do, Karl. Thanks for the information.
Uraki66
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Kansas
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Crossthread, search Amazon for "Uxcell" and I think you'll find the kind of cable you are looking for. You'll have to match the pitch, etc but suspect you can get close.
Hstella
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Colorado
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Sadly, I think this illustrates one of many reasons that the millennial generation is likely to stay the renter generation. Homeownership is a lot more expensive when you can't just call up the landlord and expect something to be fixed/replaced in the next day or two. Although, wouldn't you think that repairs would be emphasized as a way to avoid massive pollution/landfill waste. When does an oven rust away/completely decompose? Then again, the logic required for that train of thought escapes the educational establishment.
Thebirddog
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There is so much content freely available that a skill can be learned that one might not normally have the opportunity to learn. My latest was tree surgery and proper techniques for felling, PPE, saw maintenance, etc. The internet is awesome in the truest sense of the word.
Ckaminski
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Mass-Hole!
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If the apocalypse comes, seriously I only want to save the Youtube DIY videos.

Twincam
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As a gen Y, I agree with much of what you say about our generation. Those of us living in the red parts of the US-by-county map can't afford to be useless.

It's a cold winter night and after sending a page to the laser, the lights dim and I hear a pop from the breaker panel. The popping continues, the lights dim and the 200A breaker begins to smoke. I flip the 200A breaker to off and half the house shuts down while the other half continues to flicker. The smoke doesn't stop. I quickly shut off all the individual breakers and the smoking stops. The panel is 80's junk and only refurbished 200A breakers can be found for $300+. Buying one would be a simple installation, but it could fail again when I'm not home to stop it.

The next day I bring home a Square D panel from Lowes and with tools I already own, I get the job done.

Best case snowflake price: $2000
Worst case snowflake price: Watching your house burn down from your driveway.

Ditto head gaskets, engine overhaul, brakes, suspension, plumbing, insulation, chimney sweeping, wall framing, drywalling, welding, SMD rework, washer/dryer repair.

We're still out there.
Gregga
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Yep, YouTube and Google are your friends. I've owned my 87 AMC Jeep Cherokee since new. With the internet, and skills learned back in the 60's auto shop class, she runs better than ever.

My spare refrigerator acted up and would only cool when I tapped the temperature adjust knob. $20 solution is in the mail: cold adjust thermostat.


Doing these type of things is more of a reflection on Independence than "cheapness".

Great post Karl.
Lostinspace
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I agree. In the last 12 months I've fixed 2 leaky toilets, a cabinet drawer, and the water heater. Each toilet cost about $8 to fix. Don't know what a plumber cost, but I'm sure it is much more than $8. The cabinet drawer only cost a few screws. The water heater stopped heating the water. I looked on YouTube and realized it could be the pilot light. And it was, so that cost nothing except re-lighting it. Again, I'm sure calling a service company would have cost at least $100. At couple of years ago, I replaced broken in-ground lighting casings and bulbs in my landscaping without an electrician. Two years ago, I also repaired existing fencing, added privacy fencing, and painted it. It cost $800 for supplies. I can't even imagine what hiring someone would have cost. I am a woman and I don't enjoy these projects but I do like the satisfaction when they work out and I save a lot of money. However, when things don't work out, no one wants to be around because I start to sound like a truck driver. I do have a problem right now with my refrigerator. It stopped cooling. I can't fix it myself because it is a very large and impossible to move. I've had it 13 years. I've been using a small dorm-like refrigerator (3.2 cu ft)for months now and I found I don't need anything much bigger. I also found with a smaller frig, there's no room for junk food so I have been eating healthier. So now I don't want to repair the big frig. I prefer to replace it with a much smaller one (about 10 cu ft) which I will when I figure how I'm going to get the big one out cheaply so I can paint the wall behind it before buying a new one.

Where I save the most money is from cooking. I work from home so I cook every meal and rarely eat out. I spend about $3,000 less a year than when I was working full time in an office when I picked up food more often because I was too tired too cook.
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