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Vernonb
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Isn't it ironic how our taxes are being directed towards to very damn food substances that are causing obesity and disease, so that even MORE of our taxes get directed to healthcare/medicare/medicaid, etc...


Not ironic .. .devious and purposeful. It's also easier to store and ship grains for export.

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Riverrat10k
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Don't know if Karl has read or previously linked to this guy. He is a doctor.

A buddy of mine disappeared from our weekly beer binge, showed up a few months later, and directed me to this guys site.

I had already started a diet program based on Karl's work and found some verification here.

http://eatingacademy.com/start-here
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Interesting stuff, much of it over my head. But thanks to the good Doc, and of course Karl, I am back on the downside while watching my Type II father eat crap, suffer from neuropathy, and still eat sweets, etc.

A future I don't want for me.

Best to you, KD, and the others on this site.

Riverrat

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Riverrat10k
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P.S.

Time for some lamb chops and a salad!

Riverrat

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Riverrat10k
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From Attia's eating academy site:

"Its your body and its your health. You can take them back whenever you want, starting now. Parenthetically, when I started my journey in 2009 my doctor thought I was crazy, but he still supported me. Two years later, after he watched me (and 5 other patients who took my guidance) completely change our lives, he has become an enthusiastic supporter of carbohydrate reduction as a treatment for metabolic syndrome and obesity and has changed the way he treats his patients."

Best to all.

riverrat

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Lunatic_fringe
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I would actually argue that metformin shouldn't be part of the insurance plan.

A person is diagnosed as a Type II diabetic when their fasting blood sugar is 126 mg/dl or higher. In a T2D, glucose builds up in the blood because the cells in the body have developed "insulin resistance", whereby it takes more and more insulin to clear glucose from the blood and deposit it in the cells. Metformin helps overcome insulin resistance, thereby forcing more sugar into the various cells of the body.

Now the problem is that insulin resistance is protective. It occurs because the cells are being damaged by constant bombardment of excess glucose. The cells are protecting themselves from this onslaught by reducing the amount of sugar they can accept. High serum glucose is a symptom and not a cause of T2D so using a drug like Metformin to take sugar out of the blood and hide it in the cells is not actually helpful, in fact it's detrimental. Like most drug therapies Metformin concentrates on reducing the symptom of insulin resistance and not the actual cause of T2D, which is the body producing too much insulin due to a poor diet. A few months ago I ran across a study showing there was no benefit in outcomes between T2D's treated with diabetes drugs and those who went w/o treatment. No surprise to me.

It's unfortunate that Type 1 Diabetes and Type 2 Diabetes are both called diabetes because they have two entirely different causes. Type 1 diabetics make no insulin whatsoever and are unable to clear glucose from the blood therefore are benefited by exogenous insulin. Type 2 diabetics make too much insulin which causes insulin resistance which results in high blood glucose but is treated the same T1D, exogenous insulin. Medicine is literally treating a disease caused by too much insulin by giving these people even more insulin. What a bunch of ****tards. Metformin doesn't address the issue of there simply being to much glucose in the body, it just takes that glucose out of the blood and puts it where it still causes damage. Because of drugs like Metformin, a person can have "normal" blood sugar but still be diabetic.
Analog
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]q]A person is diagnosed as a Type II diabetic when their fasting blood sugar is 126 mg/dl or higher. In a T2D, glucose builds up in the blood because the cells in the body have developed "insulin resistance", whereby it takes more and more insulin to clear glucose from the blood and deposit it in the cells. [/q]

Wow, i have to really work at i eat to keep it that low.


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actual cause of T2D, which is the body producing too much insulin due to a poor diet.


It's cumulative eh ?

I guess i'll find out if it's reversible.

Both my Walmart machine A1C's read 6.4 Will try another this summer.


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Vernonb
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It's unfortunate that Type 1 Diabetes and Type 2 Diabetes are both called diabetes because they have two entirely different causes. Type 1 diabetics make no insulin whatsoever and are unable to clear glucose from the blood therefore are benefited by exogenous insulin. Type 2 diabetics make too much insulin which causes insulin resistance which results in high blood glucose but is treated the same T1D, exogenous insulin. Medicine is literally treating a disease caused by too much insulin by giving these people even more insulin. What a bunch of ****tards...

These people are not stupid. They are deviously and some devilishly evil. Profits to shareholders trump any good science so these CEOs and executives can rake in huge bonuses. Ignorance/stupidity can sometimes be forgiven - ethic/moral/scientific turpitude cannot.

Look at Nova Nordisk that has been around 90 years treating symptoms and not the cause. But even with their supposed altruistic mission statements it wasn't enough to stop them them from colluding to fix insulin prices with other insulin suppliers.

Of course they provide the drug for 'free' to the needy after stealing money from everyone else's pocket

Doing away with governmental and insurance sponsored plans for type II would also put a MAJOR and immediate dent in the profits of these robber barons - a secondary benefit of Karl's plan. We'd also have to make sure the cost of such drugs could not be deducted from taxes or the scam will find another way to pass the costs to the people. The drug makers would be forced to sell directly to public with a listed price equating to what the insurer's were paying to stay viable for the drug. If they refuse their clients that must use the drugs may die.

But we know clients don't have to die. Diet will fix this for most people - death by diabetes II is not an inevitable outcome (with proper diet) that so many groups want you to believe.That knowledge hurts profits too! Nothing like a game of Russian roulette with a .45 auto or a full chamber. The question is who pulls the trigger first especially when we know the other side can only bluff!

Cancelling or severely penalizing all governmental contracts for firms found conspiring would also help. I won't be holding my breath on that one though.

Both the pushers and the users can either CHANGE or DIE. The choice is their own initially. Wait too long and nature and the market will make the final calls.

It is your body. It's time you own it. It may not be a Ferrari but it is the only one you'll ever own. At least go for the options that give high mileage and best performance with what you have.

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Lunatic_fringe
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Analog wrote..
It's cumulative eh ?

I guess i'll find out if it's reversible.

Both my Walmart machine A1C's read 6.4 Will try another this summer.


I think you'll be amazed how quickly your body will respond to a low carb diet, particularly if you complement it with intermittent fasting. I actually believe that intermittent fasting is more effective for curing insulin resistance for a couple of reasons:

1. When you don't eat anything your insulin levels plummet, even more than they do with low carb. All foods (even fat to a very small degree) will provoke an insulin response. No food means no insulin and it's in that state where your body regains its sensitivity.

2. Some wonderful things happen hormonally when you're in a fasted state. Insulin goes down, leptin resistance abates, growth hormone is increased and cortisol production decreases - all of these are positives. Also the process of cellular repair (called autophagy) begins when you fast. Eating actually switches of the autophagy process.

Fasting does not need to be for a prolonged period. My current regime is to eat a late breakfast and an early dinner, I'm never hungry for lunch. This gives me a roughly 15 hour fast every day with a 9 hour eating window. And I'm asleep for most of it so it's not difficult at all to adhere to.

So give fasting a try. I really believe it's more effective for regaining insulin sensitivity than even low carb but when you combine the two techniques I'd bet your results will be spectacular.
Tickerguy
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If you eat low-carb you'll almost-automatically wind up fasting a good part of the day, provided you actually listen to your body (e.g. eat only when actually hungry.)

Why? Because you won't be hungry until around noon. If you went to bed at ~10:00 PM the previous evening.....

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Mjsmith
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If you eat low-carb you'll almost-automatically wind up fasting a good part of the day, provided you actually listen to your body (e.g. eat only when actually hungry.)

Why? Because you won't be hungry until around noon. If you went to bed at ~10:00 PM the previous evening.....


As a HFLCMP convert, I can testify that this is exactly my experience. I have NO appetite in the mornings. I am NOT hungry and have no desire to eat anything until well after noon.



Lenguado
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Vernob said,
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We'd also have to make sure the cost of such drugs could not be deducted from taxes or the scam will find another way to pass the costs to the people.

Well, watching one of the talk shows (I think it was Sat morning, but maybe Sun), it sure sounds like the Repugs are trying to make their New & Improved plan a Tax Credit - along the lines of the UNEarned Income Tax Credit.

And for the rest of their "replacement" of Obamacare - sure sounds like they are just going to Double Down on Stupid. No real fix. Just keep the worst and most expensive parts of it - but pretend to give a choice on where you can buy. Not what really needs to be done, as Gen has pointed out, go after the medical establishment for collusion and price fixing.

Soooo, FY AmeriKa!

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Aztrader
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Just saw this posted on your favorite medical institution:

http://time.com/4649914/why-the-doctor-t....
Aztrader
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Was at the grocery store last night and saw this guy pushing 350 lbs, driving his cart full of pizzas and ice cream. He paid with an EBT card. Why are we broke, because we supply the poison to these people and then give them free healthcare when the issues arise. This is completely insane!
Riverrat10k
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latest rant on health care:
Bum knee from overweight and fun living.

Rheumatologist and orthopedic surgeon recommend MRI for suspected soft tissue damage.

Denied by Aetna. 6 weeks PT prescribed by a doctor in another state who is a contractor to Aetna. Other options I have been doing or had done.

Called imaging ctr where appt. was set up then cancelled. Asked for cash price.
Long wait. Quoted $5230 for right knee MRI.

Asked what they would bill my (now disclosed) ins. co.
Was told $5400.

I said wow, so I am on the hook for my whole $2000 deductible?
No, she said, the negotiated price for the MRI with Aetna was $973. The hospital would "adjust the rest". As Karl has said, ONE FIFTH.

I told here these were very interesting numbers as that while I was talking to her I got quote for round trip to Tokyo from my local airport for $1000, and a quote for a $200 MRI in Tokyo. WTF?

Will call tomorrow and ask why I can't get a $973 estimate and submit that amount to Aetna on a form. Bet she wont answer.

Wonder if HCA et. al. get some kind of accounting angle on the "write offs"?
Carry forwards forever?

Think this is illegal under Va. state law and 15USC.

Riverrat
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