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So here we have the "full" declassified "intelligence assessment."

In the "wow, you really think this is news?" category we have statements like this:

The Russian leadership invests significant resources in both foreign and domestic propaganda and places a premium on transmitting what it views as consistent, self-reinforcing narratives regarding its desires and redlines, whether on Ukraine, Syria, or relations with the United States.

"What is Voice of America for $500, Alex?"

Really?  This belongs in an "intelligence assessment"?

Then we get into the "Holier than thou and thus we are entitled to meddle while they are not" horse****.  For example:

Putin most likely wanted to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012, and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him.

In other words our government can incite mass protests against a foreign leader, which goes far beyond crap-posting on the Internet or running "news broadcasts" that are slanted, but if they do it then they're the bad guys and we need to seize property sold to their government and eject 30 of their diplomats.

Uh huh.

Moscow also saw the election of President elect Trump as a way to achieve an international counterterrorism coalition against the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

Excuse me, that's good, right?  Especially when it appears to be the case that Obama, and Clinton as his Secretary of State, not only armed Daesh indirectly there is some evidence they acted with knowledge that said arms would likely reach them.  This, incidentally, is the backstory on Benghazi that I have written on repeatedly and in point of fact both Hillary and Obama knew their claimed "Youtube video incitement" for the Benghazi attack was false at the time the claim was made.

If in fact the CIA outpost in Benghazi was part of an arms-smuggling operation into Libya that went wrong and wound up with some of the weapons going to Daesh, and Ambassador Stevens was murdered in no small part because the CIA and he tried to reverse some of the damage, then it certainly appears quite logical that Russia, which has no interest in Daesh causing problems for them (terrorism is bad even if the targets are Russian, right?) would have a logical reason to not want the person who, in their judgment ARMED Daesh on purpose, in the White House!

Maybe you can explain to this little American peon exactly how that, and expressing that preference, is bad?

I wonder if your explanation would include a discussion into the reasons why Secretary Clinton has never faced an actual inquest as to whether her actions, those of Obama and others (including those in the CIA) violated US law by quite-effectively providing material aid and comfort to terrorists?  You know, an act for which you or I would (quite properly so) do hard felony prison time?

Moscow’s use of disclosures during the US election was unprecedented, but its influence campaign otherwise followed a longstanding Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.”

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So "****posting" on the Internet -- that is, "paid social media trolls" -- constitutes "election interference"?

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Isn't it funny how the principle of Free Speech only applies to certain people and only some of the time?

RT’s coverage of Secretary Clinton throughout the US presidential campaign was consistently negative and focused on her leaked e-mails and accused her of corruption, poor physical and mental health, and ties to Islamic extremism.

So making truthful statements (in many cases so-documented so by the DNC's own emails) constitutes propaganda?  That said resulted in a DNC official resigning because she was caught rigging a debate constitutes "propaganda"?  I thought propaganda had, as one of its elements, stretching the truth or outright lying?  There was no lying involved here nor any forgery of content; the emails, while stolen and released (much to the DNC's chagrin) were factual.

Some Russian officials echoed Russian lines for the influence campaign that Secretary Clinton’s election could lead to a war between the United States and Russia.

Quite possible, ranging to more-probable if, for example, some of Clinton's "mistakes" in arming Daesh wound up being used to shoot down a Russian aircraft -- as just one possible and very bad outcome.  The possibility of such an event getting out of control and leading to war is real but the use of the word "could" is, in fact, exactly appropriate -- it denotes an opinion, and once again, I thought we honored this thing called free speech?

You have to be a truly special brand of stupid to have any desire for a war between Russia and the United States, or to support any candidate for public office that has demonstrated through their previous actions that they might incite one.

I find the entirety of the reporting on "RT" to be highly-amusing. Of course RT has ties to Russian interests. Duh! For the record I've appeared on RT in their Washington DC studio and it was certainly not lost on me who probably was funding them in some form or fashion.  I means, RT does stand for "Russia Today." Hello Captain Obvious.

Do they slant their coverage? Yes. All media does. One of the things I like about RT, however, is that unlike nearly all American media they'll let you finish your sentence which means when you detect them trying to slant a point you're making you can effectively respond and get the other half of your sentence out on the air.

That almost-never happens on an "American" media channel.  As soon as you try to counter their obvious slant, whatever it may be you, get shouted down, shouted over or they simply cut away from you entirely.

To the charge that RT is "slanted" I reply "so what?"  Our media has ties to US interests, it intentionally slats coverage toward Democrat candidates and policies, spikes stories favorable to Conservatives and in fact refuses to cover many of them at all.

Indeed the Washington Post was just recently caught claiming that the power grid was "hacked by Russia" when in fact no such thing took place. A few days later a "partial correction" was issued (and which remains on the original story) but in point of fact there was no code, there was no malware and there was no penetration.

In other words the entire story was a lie; not only was the original "reporting" defective the update they now have up was and remains a lie as the alleged event never actually happened.

Oh, and by the way, what motive might have existed for this?  Gee, you don't think the intent was to amplify another (maybe false) claim about Russia hacking the US election, do you?  What accountability has been attached to the Washington Post for running a completely false story claiming that a serious breach of our power grid's security took place when nothing of the sort happened at all -- in fact even the originally-revised claim of a compromised disconnected company-owned laptop was false!

Hmmmm..... now about that propaganda charge in the so-called "ICA".... perhaps you'd like to distinguish RT and what it does from what the Washington Post has now been proved to have done.

What does the DNI/ICA report amount to?

Simply this: The Russians preferred Trump as a candidate.  They believed, for what may or may not have been good cause, that Hillary Clinton might have incited a war with Russia, and deemed this undesirable.  In response they ****-posted on social media to this effect and ran slanted news stores on RT.  This makes them evil, where all those who ****-posted on social media and ran slanted news stores on other media for Clinton, including media here in the United States who not only slurred Donald Trump they also intentionally ignored the DNC's rigging of an actual election (the Democrat primary) are good and holy people who should be deified while the Russians should have sanctions applied, their diplomats expelled and property seized.

Yeah, that's about the size of it.

The media is now in a tizzy that Trump hasn't "accepted" the idea that Russia ought to be (further) punished for this "outrage" of exercising free speech and in addition that Russia's government should be convicted (and punished) for "hacking" the DNC despite the utter lack of proof that they in fact did it and a full-throttle claim otherwise by Wikileaks itself.  This despite the fact that what was released (by whoever, even if Russia) was true and none of it was forged, it documented actual cheating in the Democrat primary and debates, and that such malfeasance by DNC officials was probably one of the actual causes of their election loss.  In other words they got caught robbing the bank and while the means of catching them was illegal (and thus if it was a criminal trial the evidence would be suppressed) that the public decided to disavow the Democrat party is not only legal it was and is a rational response.  After all, would you employ someone as a bank teller you knew factually robbed a bank even if the means of discovery of same was unlawful and thus precluded them from being sent to prison?

I didn't think so.

PS: The intelligence "community" (e.g. DNI in all of its components) work for the President, not the other way around.  If this "report" is demonstrative of the quality of their "work" the entire lot of them deserve to have their next assignment to be shoveling dog**** at the local pound.

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Goldmanssack
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I read the report and was immediately embarrassed for the author.

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The content is such silliness. The thing that stuck with me was from the boilerplate... (from Annex B) ...so, an event with 1 in 5 odds is considered "highly improbable"? Especially considering the relatively high importance/impact of the events which one hopes they are usually writing about, it seems insane to attach such language to such a probability. I'd call a 20% chance perhaps "somewhat unlikely" but sure as hell not "very unlikely". If this is typical of how they seek to skew management opinion, by using more extreme and absolute language and opinions than are warranted, it really does make one wonder if these folks offer any value to the country, or are really just more interested in being heard and heeded.

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I'm pretty convinced that we have individuals (like L. Graham) who would LOVE a full blown war with ANYBODY. They scream about how evil Putin is (and I agree, he is a total *******), but so was Saddam. How'd that work out for us? Don't seem to have the balls to criticize Saudi Arabia though, do they.
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The longer this "the Russians did it" crap goes on, the more I think that the Dems have serious mental issues. The lies and hypocrisy in their statements are astounding. This alone would make me fear for the future of the country, even without the debt, the rate of rise of medical costs, the bankster bailouts, ZIRP, leveraged business, people, markets...

Apparently Hans Christian Anderson got something wrong in "The Emperor's New Clothes." It wouldn't matter if there was a schoolhouse full of children screaming that the emperor wasn't wearing any clothes. The people would just shush the children and keep on admiring what wasn't there.
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Excellent! How truly embarrassing. We have a new definition of "hacking".
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This is total BS and I don't think anyone believes it. In fact I read about a poll that 70% believed Wikileaks over the government. If I turned in a root cause analysis like this I would be fired.
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****posting...yeah, because David Brock's Correct the Record (aka CTR) wasn't doing that at all right MSM? CTR was very easy to spot on YT comments most of the time and usually were summarily dismissed by organic Trump supporters. I didn't notice too many broken English posts in support of Trump.

We're still not out of the woods...not until Trump swears the oath on the 20th. Jeh Johnson just decreed that Obama wants him to federalize the elections now due to the "external threat" that was somehow corroborated in this DNI report. They're not acting like they're leaving. They're behavior is more consistent with COG. We'll see what happens in the next two weeks.
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Braved the snow to have a beverage this afternoon.

A "buddy"stated he "hated" Trump.

I told him I was "very cautiously optimistic" about Mr. T., no silver bullet coming.

He continued to expound, so I started reading him this Ticker.

He paid his tab and left without comment within 10 mins.

Thanks, once again, Karl, for succinctly giving me words and facts to argue the positions we both believe in.

I know you are winding down and feel your efforts may be for naught, but every little bit helps.

Thanks you again.

Tight Lines.

Riverrat


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>>The longer this "the Russians did it" crap goes on, the more I think that the Dems have serious mental issues. >>

Please tell me that this is not a surprise to you.

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OMG... everybody panic, I've found one of the Russian Trolls !

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It is no longer possible to believe anything that comes out of of the mouths of .gov spokespeople, and it hasn't been for quite some time. The current 'intelligence' departments are nothing but political officers modeled on the old Soviet model. Ditto local government, where corruption and cronyism and payoffs used to be in the shadows, it's now right in your face, and advertised with an enormous sign that says:

**** You. We Own Your Ass.

I don't see any 'rising up', or any evidence that things will 'return to the way they used to be'. We have had a full generation, and maybe two, that have no concept of 'right' or 'wrong', or Heaven forbid, the meaning of the word 'shame'. Everything is permissible. California just declared child prostitution legal. Brain destroying marijuana is available legally within a few minutes of my home and office and throughout my state, and other states are following suit.

The ****tards that think that Hitlery was the 'solution' to our 'problems' seem to becoming increasingly ready to light the planet on fire and take everyone with them. We are confronted with bull**** stories like 'Russia! Russia did it!' all over the front page of the paper and meanwhile we're shipping a ****load of tanks and front line battle equipment to the RUSSIAN BORDER for 'training'. No one is paying attention to the pending economic collapse, or a possible coming mini-ice age, or murdering jihadists in Florida, Boston, California, Texas, Washington and a dozen other states. We have to read about what's going on here in British newspapers, because ours are fed by the Ministry of Truth.

Europe is lost--if you didn't visit it prior to the invasion, you've missed your chance. What existed in 2014, does not exist now--the geography is still there, but the vibe is gone, the culture is dying or dead, and it's literally taking your life in your hands to walk the streets in numerous countries....and they allowed and encouraged it to happen. It would take a massive bloodletting to return it to its prior state, but the demographics ten years ago pointed to its death through lack of reproduction, so let it be. It's over for them. Zombie continent.

It's my opinion that the thinking that we have 'a few more years' may or may not be the case. Once things start coming apart, it's a seam here and there that fail, then a few more, but the talk will be that we'll fix things and that we'll make things better, and that things are improving and then every seam splits and the whole fifty megaton bag of **** we've been trying to manage will drop on our heads like the bucket of blood in the movie 'Carrie.'

There isn't any getting away from it. There isn't any way to avoid being hit by it. There isn't any way to profit through it, or remain unscathed. People building remote compounds (and I've done some design work on some) are under the impression that being 'away' from the cities will leave them fat and happy. Complete and utter bull****. They are just as dependent on supplies from the 'outside' as a ten thousand square foot Beverly Hills mansion. There are some really well appointed tombs in NE Washington, Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana. They're currently being used for 'homes', but these places will be the last place anyone would want to be when it All Comes Apart. People that don't have much of anything--contractors and regular people in debt up to their eyeballs--built these places. They know exactly where they are and what's inside.

Enjoy your time doing what you should be doing, rather than*****ing your remaining time away. Go build a rifle or five. Instead of that vacation at the PGA course this year, go buy a pallet of 5.56 and double ought and .45ACP. Teach your kids to shoot. Go camping and hiking like our gracious host. See things that you've never seen before, because you may not, soon, be able to do those things any more or get to those places with the convenience that you have right now.




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Let's not also forget that these so called "hacked servers" from the DNC were NEVER truly investigated by the FBI under any type of legitimate crime busting fashion yet we have these asses again making accusations.

The DNC knows they are :
1) Lying and giving a FALSE report of a crime
2) Scared what a forensic investigation will actually reveal about other crimes that occurred at the DNC from the email recovery!
3) That the law enforcement and intelligence departments of the government are now political tools to misinform and to keep the American people "in line" while selected criminals continue their actions.

What we see here is no different from a drug dealer refusing to call the police after his stash of drugs was stolen. He knows he has just incriminated himself by calling the police.

I have no sympathy for these criminals in the DNC or the media that promote these lies and propaganda in hopes for fomenting a war to burn down the planet to hide their evil deeds - especially the financial ripoffs.

What we have here is a complete lack of respect and absolute contempt of the American people and of the USA as a Republic by these bad actors. Prison is too lenient a sentence for them in the end.

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As one who holds "extreme prejudice" toward math abuse, I find the content on pp. 10-11 to be rather bothersome.
ICA wrote..
According to RT management, RT's website receives at least 500,000 unique viewers every day. Since
its inception in 2005, RT videos received more than 800 million views on
YouTube(1 million views per day), which is the highest among news outlets (see graphics for comparison with other news channels)

ICA is claiming that "since inception in 2005" RT has enjoyed 800 million "video" views, and that said total is roughly one million views per day. Now, I don't let statements such as that go without exercising my brain at least for a short time.

"Annex A: Russia -- Kremlin's TV Seeks To Influence Politics, Fuel Discontent in US*" has an original publication date of 11 December 2012, indicating that the measurement span is far greater than "800 days". Oddly, on that date, it had been at least 2,881 days since any day in 2005. (It works out to fewer than 280,000 views per day in that context.)

That is the sort of sloppiness I simply refuse to pass unchallenged. If "roughly one million views per day" and "800 million views" have any credibility when taken together, then elementary school arithmetic has lost any possible meaning without a far more comprehensive explanation of what is supposed to be demonstrated. "A text without a context is likely to be a pretext."

Likewise the "graphic" on p. 11, comparing RT's "video views" count with some other outlets', is used without any context clues regarding how to interpret it. There is no time frame stated or implied, no legend, no explanatory note. Am I to assume that all four outlets view count covers the same time frame (that of RT's existence)? Or is it something else entirely?

For these causes and others, I "assess" that ICA's unclassified statement is so "unlikely" that I can assign no higher a "judgment" to it than that I have zero "confidence" in its veracity in the whole or in any particular. That's not the information I seek, and I'll just "move along".

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Our Intelligence agencies work for the President.

These are the same people who gave us the "False Flag" propaganda regarding the Gulf of Tonkin which resulted in 50,000 names on the Wall and millions of deaths from their collateral damage.

One should trust Julian Assange over Obama and the other temple monkeys living in our District of Corruption.
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Good post, Karl. That is pretty much my take on the matter in every respect, although you said it better than I can.

Even disregarding past history, it makes perfect sense that Putin would prefer Trump over Clinton. Why? Because he regards Trump as a rational actor who he can work with, and Clinton as a loose cannon who could risk a war just to prove that she's a Strong Woman. Whatever you may think of Putin, I don't believe he thinks that blowing up the world is in his interest.

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Holy **** Lemonaid, he's terrifying! I'm going to shelter in place until someone better than me tells me it's ok to come out.




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lol (already there)

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Europe is lost--if you didn't visit it prior to the invasion,


Last year we planned a vacation to the Nordic countries, but decided to only go to Iceland because of all the refugee problems in the other Nordic countries. I suspect Europe has lost a ton of tourist money since the self-inflected invasion of Muslims.

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Why isn't Obola concerned about Mexico influencing the election?
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Somebody said 'every little but helps'

I lack the eloquence of KD and most denizens of TF

but i posted this short-form summary on a pretty liberal site i frequent

shortened up so as to not exceed average internet cruiser's attention span

At that place linking to TF would get me censured so i posted your thoughts in my words, hope you don't mind the touch of plaigairy,

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I view the whole "Russian Hacking" meme as a fake news operation by our establishment against our own people , propaganda that's awash in hypocrisy.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_....

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Moscow also saw the election of President elect Trump as a way to achieve an international counterterrorism coalition against the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

And what's wrong with that ? Terrorism is bad even if it targets Russia.

Quote:
Putin most likely wanted to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012, and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him.

Is turnabout fair play ?

Quote:
The Russian leadership invests significant resources in both foreign and domestic propaganda and places a premium on transmitting what it views as consistent, self-reinforcing narratives regarding its desires and redlines, whether on Ukraine, Syria, or relations with the United States.

What is Voice of America ?

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Moscows use of disclosures during the US election was unprecedented, but its influence campaign otherwise followed a longstanding Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operationssuch as cyber activitywith overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or trolls.



Disclosures ? How about "Grab them by the.... " ?
Leaked Emails ? When the truth hurts that much it's time for introspection. NYT got a Pulitzer for disclosing Pentagon Papers. Does Assange deserve less ?
So posting" on the Internet -- that is, "paid social media trolls" -- constitutes "election interference"? Naahhh,, didn't happen on this side of Atlantic..
How about arranging for violent protestors to show up at opponents' rallies ?

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RTs coverage of Secretary Clinton throughout the US presidential campaign was consistently negative and focused on her leaked e-mails and accused her of corruption, poor physical and mental health, and ties to Islamic extremism.
Somebody needed to counterpoise NPR, ABC, and the rest.

What does the DNI/ICA report amount to?
Simply this: The Russians preferred Trump as a candidate.
For playing the same media game we did over here, Russia should have sanctions applied, their diplomats expelled and property seized ?
The Executive doth protest too much, methinks



I'm embarrassed for the authors of that document.

You gets as you gives. That's my simplistic opinion.

old jim



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Analog
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Well, it lasted maybe two minutes.
a.

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Winding it down.
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The fact that clapper is still drawing a paycheck, is eligible for pension and NOT sitting in a prison cell or at least wearing a GPS ankle bracelet on house arrest is reason enough for me to NEVER take anything seriously said by any senator, congressman or justice depart seriously again. Did not ONE person om that committee at least ask clapper to keep the perjury to an absolute minimum thus time around?

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Analog,

Maybe Obola will give you one of his self-appointed medals. I won't hold by breathe -lol.

Pissing of liberals en masse. What a glorious day. Just don't do it in person in a mob as they get violent rather quickly.

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