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Mo
Posts: 12158
Incept: 2007-06-26
Pa.
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Wouldn't that be something?
If the Catholic Church led the way out of the modern darkness of lawlessness?
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Wearedoomed
Posts: 3585
Incept: 2009-01-14
slightly red state
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Mo: Most people wouldn't need that much irony in their diets. Also, do you mean the Vatican / Holy See / muckety-mucks leading the way, or the Church (embodied in its followers) leading the way?
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Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
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Bluebird
Posts: 1381
Incept: 2008-05-02
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Timing is everything. Why didn't he resign a few weeks ago, or next month. Why resign now?
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Nwatkins
Posts: 1
Incept: 2010-08-24
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Thank you for the post, Gen. As a Catholic, I feel the same way as you.
As to why the pope is resigning now? That will be an interesting answer that will, eventually, come out.
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Docj
Posts: 1000
Incept: 2009-09-10
Duck & Cover
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As a recent ex-Catholic I'm somewhat hesitant to offer many thoughts, other than to say that I hope cleaning-out the USCCB is one of the first orders of business for the new Pope.
That said, I wonder if "Big Church" (and that moniker is not unique to the Vatican) is, much like "Big Government" or "Big Just-About-Anything", eventually doomed to collapse under its own weight.
Interesting times.
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The preservation of liberty depends upon the intellectual and moral character of the people. As long as knowledge and virtue are diffused generally among the body of a nation it is impossible they should be enslaved. - John Adams
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Nohype
Posts: 39
Incept: 2011-03-19
United States
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He lost legitimacy as shepherd of the flock. Plain and simple. If you're not a Catholic, you may not know that it used to operate a robust and fair justice system. That it was not used to obtain justice for the victims of priests who abused the sacred trust and power invested in them is a nearly-unimaginable travesty. Because there's no such thing as Freedom of the Press at The Vatican, it may be a while before we find out exactly how this came about. But you can be sure of one thing: it was only "voluntary" in the same sense that Nixon voluntarily resigned the Presidency under threat of impeachment. Perhaps the rank-and-file pressures (like the nuns who refused to buckle under the very-public pressure of the Church last year: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/us/us-.... are starting to work. One can only hope. |
Bagbalm
Posts: 4263
Incept: 2009-03-19
Just North of Detroit
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Much of modern Christianity - not just the catholic church - has as much to do with the bible and its instructions as modern government has to do with Constitutional principles.
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Risingcream
Posts: 4407
Incept: 2007-09-07
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Disney should hire him for their new Star Wars franchise. Perfect.
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Civilization...ancient and wicked. --Subotai
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Mannfm11
Posts: 3556
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
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Maybe Obama and a sizable portion of Congress will take a cue from this.
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Gonji
Posts: 16
Incept: 2010-06-11
Timonium, MD
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I grew up Roman Catholic, but I am now happily an Orthodox Christian. IMHO, the Catholic Church needs to
1) Root out all of the homosexual/child molesting priests and those that sheltered them.
2) Turn over the perps from 1) above to the civil authorities.
3) Tell the feminists that there aren't going to be any women priests ever, stop asking about it, and get over it.
4) Allow priests to marry as they once did.
5) Roll back the watered-down doctrine introduced with Vatican II.
6) Truly end the Great Schism of 1054 and reconcile with the Eastern Church.
7) Defend the Faith and denounce modern cults for what they are.
OK, flame away.
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Apotheoun
Posts: 1283
Incept: 2009-08-14
MN
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I am glad he is stepping down (and I am a practicing Catholic). I did not want to see him go out like JP2 did(so old he couldnt do anything). I about only have respect to two things he did, postpone as long as he could the beatification of PJ2 and he started to make the Latin Mass a little more traditional, other than that he was no good as pope. I really hope he is not beatified, but PJ2 was and He was a TERRIBLE pope.
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Radcondive
Posts: 176
Incept: 2010-09-16
Charleston, SC
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Gonji, I concur that what you have written is a good start. I will not darken the door of any Catholic building while the above exists, and they really need to root out the marxists infiltrators who push "social justice" and go back to being the provider of charity services like they were in my childhood. Till then, not one dime from me or mine.
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Vernonb
Posts: 398
Incept: 2009-06-03
State College, PA
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I think of the prophesy that claimed this pope would be the last before the return of Christ. Now we have a meteor missing us by 15 minutes this week. All this is getting interesting. Let see how much truth sre in these claims.
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"The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.”
-Alber Camus (1913-1960)
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Jonesapple10
Posts: 379
Incept: 2010-11-09
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Quote:I shall pray that God guide the Cardinals toward an elect who will finally come clean while putting an immediate and permanent stop to all diversionary tactics intended to keep those who have been harmed by the Church's obfuscation and BS from obtaining justice. I won't hold my breath. |
Risingcream
Posts: 4407
Incept: 2007-09-07
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I think the funny thing is that no one would really be that surprised if Obama really was the Anti-Christ.
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Civilization...ancient and wicked. --Subotai
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Radcondive
Posts: 176
Incept: 2010-09-16
Charleston, SC
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Vern, I believe that the next pope is to be the last, Peter from Rome.
He may not be THE anti christ, but he sure looks like he works for him....
Reason: slow typist
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Jtmo3
Posts: 679
Incept: 2009-07-31
Missouri
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Quote:May you slither off into the night Mr. Ratzinger and I shall pray that God guide the Cardinals toward an elect who will finally come clean while putting an immediate and permanent stop to all diversionary tactics intended to keep those who have been harmed by the Church's obfuscation and BS from obtaining justice. Sorry gen, I grew up a catholic too, but this is like asking the bankers to allow the president and sec and any regulatory agency to arrest and convict them for their abuses. We've seen how that works out. The same people who elected this pope will elect the next and like here, you will get more of the same. I see NOTHING that provides hope in either situation. We are spinning our wheels, farting in he wind, deluding ourselves. Pick your poison. I like it that you have hope that somehow, someone, people, will somehow fix this mess. I just see no indication that anything of the sorts is approaching. |
Apotheoun
Posts: 1283
Incept: 2009-08-14
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"1) Root out all of the homosexual/child molesting priests and those that sheltered them.
2) Turn over the perps from 1) above to the civil authorities.
3) Tell the feminists that there aren't going to be any women priests ever, stop asking about it, and get over it.
4) Allow priests to marry as they once did.
5) Roll back the watered-down doctrine introduced with Vatican II.
6) Truly end the Great Schism of 1054 and reconcile with the Eastern Church.
7) Defend the Faith and denounce modern cults for what they are"
#3: this was already done. JP2 did this. (one of the few good things he did)
#5: there was no real doctrine, just a terrible Mass and destruction of tradition.
#6: Good luck with this, there is really no reconciliation with the Philioque and distinction in Essence and Energies. You are asking the Latin Church to turn its back on the Augustinian theology/tradition and Thomistic theology that they have been spouting forever. The entire theology of the Latin Church is way too focused on these 2 guys and need to look at the other early Church fathers, and especially look at the capadocian fathers. The Latin Church is not ready for this, their tradition is broken and they need a modern saint to reform the Church. They need tradition back, and to fix their flawed theology.
edit: also good luck convincing the East on Universal Jurisdiction. They simply will not allow the Primacy of Peter.
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"when despair is all you can see, the end is finally near."
"Because there is some good left in this world, AND ITS WORTH FIGHTING FOR!"
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Randy123
Posts: 5789
Incept: 2008-09-24
Earth
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Just a gutter religion these days. Behind the times in every way. My dad is still a "good catholic" even though he doesn't agree with many Church positions. No thanks. I'll take reformed Chirstianity for 200 Alex.
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Heisenberg
Posts: 92
Incept: 2012-09-21
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As a non-catholic, I think, by resigning, he did his replacement a disservice. If Benedict is "The Holy Father" as his obedient followers believe, how can he cease to be "The Holy Father" after his resignation? Can his elected replacement be another "Holy Father"? Can the RC Church have two "Holy Fathers"? The new guy will be in Benedict's shadow until he dies.
There must be some politics involved. There's nothing in his job description that can't be delegated. JP2 hung on until the end and he couldn't even hold his head up.
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Sean
Posts: 1766
Incept: 2009-04-21
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Bilge
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* I think Ann Barnhardt is more and more right. God help us!
* Progressives / Marxists / Communists are many things, STUPID and IMPATIENT are not two of them.
* A hot civil war is coming.
* And people wonder why I prep!
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Gonji
Posts: 16
Incept: 2010-06-11
Timonium, MD
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Apotheoun,
#5: We've seen part of this already. The Catholics recently changed some of the responses ("and to your spirit") during Mass due to so called 'poor translations' from the Latin. Next, get rid of the tambourines and folk Mass.
#6: Yes, I know exactly what I'm asking. The Eastern Church never subjected its beliefs to scholasticism as the Latin Church did. The East respects Rome but will not defer to Rome until it corrects its theology.
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End_the_bubbles
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Incept: 2009-03-25
The New 3rd World
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Quote:Popes are often thought of as "infallible" But not necessarily "in- fellate-able"! 
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In the long run even the most despotic governments with all their brutality and cruelty are no match for ideas. Eventually the ideology that has won the support of the majority will prevail and cut the ground from under the tyrant's feet and rise in rebellion to overthrow their masters.
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Etz
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Incept: 2007-06-26
LA
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****, the real question is whether the next pope will be ex Goldman Sachs or just been associated to it.
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Legal chicanery and beneficent darkness are the banker's stoutest allies - F.Pecora.
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