The MainSleaze Media Story On Trayvon Is Crumbling
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Posted 2012-04-22 20:47
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The MainSleaze Media Story On Trayvon Is Crumbling
 

Well now they've gone and done it.

You need to read this folksAll parts.  Seriously.

I'll get to that link in a minute, but before I do I want to call on all people in this country who are of good character, who have moral fiber, no matter whether they're white, black, brown, green (Martian) or otherwise to stand up and demand -- here and now -- that any media or other person who has intentionally and willfully distorted what happened in Sanford be outed and held to account for all harm done to anyone in any relationship to this case, including incitement of hate crimes -- like this one.

Maywood, Ill. - Alton L. Hayes III, a west suburban man charged with a hate crime, told police he was so upset about the Trayvon Martin case in Florida that he beat up a white man early Tuesday.

Hayes and a 15-year-old Chicago boy walked up behind the 19-year-old man victim and pinned his arms to his side, police said. Hayes, 18, then picked up a large tree branch, pointed it at the man and said, “Empty your pockets, white boy.”

The two allegedly rifled through the victim’s pockets, then threw him to the ground and punched him “numerous times” in the head and back before running away, police said. Hayes and the boy are black; the victim is white.

It's well beyond the point where good people of character irrespective of race rise and say enough damnit.  We've had enough of Tawana Brawley, of the Duke Lacrosse case and similar intentional and willful abuses by members of the media and others who either intentionally or recklessly stir up through false pretense this sort of "story."

Simply put we of good conscience are not going to put up with it any more.  But unlike what those snakes foment, we're going to deal with it in a lawful and peaceful manner, by simply refusing to deal with those people at all.

And it is beyond dispute, at this point, that there was no racial overtone or issue in the Martin/Zimmerman case.  There is zero evidence to support any such assertion and the media has been caught trying to manufacture it.

What we need to tell these people is the following:

We won't service your cars, we won't sell you hardware, we won't cut your hair, we won't sell you gasoline, we won't sell you shoes or clothing.  We won't do your taxes, we won't cut your grass.  We won't sit next to you in church, we will cross the street so as to not make eye contact when you walk the sidewalk, we will give you the finger in traffic.

And we won't buy from advertisers who run ads on the involved media outlets either.

We're done; just as the Amish decide to "shun" we will do so as well.

Freedom of association includes the freedom to not associate.  And intentional distortion of the truth and manufacturing claims for shock value and to stir up a race war do not place you in a protected class.

The problem with manufactured evidence is that's not really "evidence" because it doesn't actually exist.  It's a story told to fit a prearranged narrative -- one that someone wants to sell to you.  This is done every day in various media forms and when it's done to sell you a product or service we call it advertising or "puffery."

But when it's done to hide the truth or injure someone it's wrong.

Remember that one of the key claims in the prosecution case is that "DeeDee" was "Trayvon's girlfriend" and that she "was so distraught she had to go to the hospital" when she learned of Trayvon's death.  That now looks rather unlikely, as her identity has been discovered and so has her Twitter timeline.  At best that Twitter timeline appears to indicate that Trayvon and her were acquainted -- but not romantically involved. In addition she was Tweeting away after the incident and far from being distraught to the point of emotional collapse seems to have dismissed the incident as a "that's a bummer" sort of thing that happened in her life.  Assuming that is really the person known as "DeeDee" only one word comes to mind: Oops.

But what's worse is the call logs which were used to claim that "DeeDee" was on the phone at the time of the alleged incident and which was cited in the affidavit as part of the root of probable cause have the following notation on the printed page:

In other words it appears that the conversation allegedly held at the time of the incident really took place three hours later, and not when the prosecution -- and the Martin's lawyer and the media -- says it did.

So says the business record right on the face of the page itself.

For those calls to have taken place at the claimed time with a time zone of PDT they would have had to been recorded three hours earlier!

That is, 7:12 PM EDT is 4:12 PDT; the recorded time, if in PDT, is 10:12 Eastern Time in Florida or three hours after the incident.

So says the actual printout:

THE DATE AND TIME FOR ALL CALLS CORRESPONDS TO PACIFIC TIME (PST/PDT).

If that notation on the printout is true then someone went looking for and found the phone, it was not locked, and that person was the one who made the calls.

If that log is accurate and in Pacific Time then "DeeDee" was never on the phone with Trayvon at the time of the alleged incident at all -- the entire narrative is a knowing lie.

Maybe that notation is wrong and maybe it's right.  It probably matters what sort of plan the phone was on (e.g. Prepaid .vs. Postpaid and if Postpaid what sort) as the billing center may differ.  T-Mobile is a funny company in that regard and their billing systems are, to put it mildly, "odd."

I think we need to see subpoenas for testimony of "DeeDee" and subpoenas of actual telephone company records, delivered with a nice solid chain of custody from both ends of those calls.  Trayvon's Dad needs to be subpoenaed too, since the obvious person who would have tried to use that phone to track down his kid (assuming he really didn't know there were police crawling all over the place) is him.  From this we should be able to determine if the call times are in PDT as claimed on the alleged printout or if they were really in the local time where the phone was (despite the statement on that page.)

The important point here is that if the timeline on those calls is impeached then the entire prosecutorial story collapses as an intentional fabrication.

This is a key piece of information and is in fact critical to the entire story.

So we have two problems:

If "DeeDee"s story of being "distraught" to the point that she required intervention is impeached then her story of the conversation she allegedly had is also impeached, and that's a problem.  If the time line on the calls is impeached then the prosecution's entire story line collapses.  These two points are critical to the case and, one would expect, to the defense's discovery efforts.

Let's find out what the truth is, shall we?

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Jake
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This is strictly a political prosecution.
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Gen, the link you provided doesn't seem to have any links to their previous posts.

To access those, go to "Choose a Topic" on the right sidebar and select "Trayvon Martin" from the drop down list. Then have at it.

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I'll repost here;

Maybe it's just me but wouldn't you think the Trayvon's girlfriend would be a little more public. She didn't attend any of the rallies with the hoodies and the skittles, if she did she certainly didn't draw attention to their relationship. The march with Sharpton, Jackson and the parents. All the news coverage...

Did the physical evidence at the scene include skittles or ice tea by any chance?
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Standing applause. I read parts 9-10 (both parts of 10) off of the link in the prior Ticker.

Really outstanding gathering of evidence. I'm usually willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but we've well and truly passed the point where a mounting preponderance of evidence implicates a contrived race-baiting media circus. As the other mentioned posts on that blog clearly lay out.

Someone hire the folks behind this blog because I would actually watch/read a for-pay news outlet with 1/4 the ACTUAL JOURNALISM displayed in these posts.
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I stick with my prediction that on the way to being found guilty, Zimmerman will be proven innocent.

He will be murdered by government to placate the rioting class, and there will be riots anyway.
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I added the link to the backstory on the top of the Ticker. Thanks.

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Karl, aren't you a T-mobile guy?
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Quote:
then Trayvon's Dad likely went looking for and found the phone, it was not locked, and he was the one who made the calls.
Oh my. That's a pretty strong statement to make.

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Yes, but much depends on the particular sort of plan you're on (e.g. contract .vs. prepaid, if contract individual .vs. other, etc)

Like I said, I want to see a subpoena from the other side of the call -- that ought to be dispositive as it will either match or not.


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Gofor: Someone made the calls.

If the time of them was really three hours later, then who made them?

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Gofor,

If Trayvon's dad had made the calls, it's not inherently the case that he had immediately (on that fateful night) conspired to create a false narrative. If Trayvon's body has already been removed and his dad found the phone (especially if Trayvon had dropped it a fair distance from where he was shot), the dad might simply have started dialing Trayvon's contacts asking if they knew where his son was. Any plan to create a false narrative could have been put together later.
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On my phone so hard to browse ariund. Is it known that there are no calls 3 hours earlier, for sure?
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Fell asleep reading those links last night, woke up and finished them. This Crump guy is a real illusionist. Zimmerman's lawyer needs to make his stand at the immunity hearing or there will be a whirlwind of civil suits, whether or not probable cause was fabricated in the media. What kind of trouble can Crump et al get into if that affidavit of probable cause is knowingly false?

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I am not sure what to believe in this case. There where two witnesses and one is dead.

But I want to challenge you guys... Isn't it possible that their is a conspiracy by the media AND Zimmerman still being guilty of murdering Trayvon?

Look I hate the mainstream media as much as the next guy. But try not to let your distrust of the media overly influence you. It seems as though the media convicts Zimmerman so we MUST acquit him just out of spite.
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Man I'd love to see the major media take it in the ass for once.

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On my phone so hard to browse ariund. Is it known that there are no calls 3 hours earlier, for sure?

No.

The only way to know for sure is to subpoena both carriers (both ends of the call) and get the official billing records. They have them as they have to have them to get paid.

Someone's screen print is probably admissible, but the time stamp claim on the bottom is going to toss that as you have to facially take the entire printout or none of it.

We were occasionally subpoenaed like this for call detail records at my ISP; it's an absolutely standard thing and business records along with an affidavit from a corporate officer attesting that they're accurate and complete (and explaining anything that's not obvious) is typically admissible evidence. It's subject to examination of course to establish that it is in fact a true and complete record (e.g. exactly how the system works, etc) but business records made in the ordinary course of events by disinterested third parties are typically considered to be near the top in reliability when it comes to admissible evidence.

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Hold on
The father didn't know he was shot till the next day
This means trayvor did not have the phone when he went out
Why would he leave his phone and ID home?
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Just got finished reading those links; well worth the time spent. I recall reading that Tray's dad apparently got home around 10:30pm, didn't notice all the cops around, and assumed Tray was "at the movies with some friends." None of that makes any sense, particularly the latter. Tray wasn't from around that area - he was only spending time there because he was suspended from school - so I find it unlikely he was "hanging" with anyone. Did dad even try to contact him at all that night? What about his "friends?" I doubt it. Probably didn't even come back at that time either. In fact, him and his girlfriend were probably so doped and boozed up themselves for all we know, that they didn't care where Tray was. After all, we see what an "angel" Tray was; his father had to play some role in that.

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HeyChris,

It's a shame when the RT and al jazeera are more factually accurate then the US media and I put Fox news on the top of the completely full of **** pile ahead of the so called liberal media. One could make the case the media is certainly violating Zimmerman's 1st amendment rights with their ****ty reporting and the NBC audio fabrication. By the way he does have a bounty on his head.

Zimmerman could be guilty of manslaughter, I would like to hear the eye witness testimony first.
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Crzymorse wrote..
Did the physical evidence at the scene include skittles or ice tea by any chance?

I'm actually curious about that myself. We all know the whole media narrative was manufactured but was it manufactured clear down to the tiniest of details...even down to the skittles and tea? Holy cow!

The skittles may have been added to the story in order to perpetuate the idea that Trayvon was just an innocent little kid.

Anyone know if there were actually any skittles and tea found at the site where Zimmerman was attacked and defended his life?





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Agau: I'm taking NOTHING that appears to be impeached at face value. Nobody should; that's what impeached means -- the alleged record is worthless until proven otherwise.

Right now we have an alleged record of calls that has on its face a claim of a time stamp that puts the calls three hours post-incident.

Well, maybe that's wrong. But the only way to KNOW it's wrong is to get an official billing record from the phone company for BOTH ENDS of the calls and see what they say.

But at this point the FACIAL EVIDENCE is that the alleged calls did not take place at the time they were claimed.

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Anyone know when the immunity hearing is scheduled?

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I assume that will follow the arraignment, and both of those should follow discovery being tendered to the defense.

The prosecution ****ed up bigtime by citing the "DeeDee" thing in their affidavit if it blows up in their face. In addition Zimm's lawyer did a damn nice job of destroying the affidavit during examination at the bond hearing; that's now part of the court record as direct testimony by the investigator and thus cannot be walked back; he admitted under oath to a number of things that are going to be trouble down the road.

When Zimmerman's attorney was announced I did some digging on him -- he's sharp and I expected he'd know where to pry to blow the lid off this thing. What I've seen so far is impressive; the key in these sorts of cases where you believe someone's playing a game is to get the prosecution witnesses on the record early admitting they don't have anything to back up what they swore to as they can't then later change their mind without impeaching their entire testimony.

Impeaching the prosecution's investigators and affidavit-signers is how you win acquittals and, with some frequency, dismissals before trial.

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The phone log presented by Tracy Martin to ABC also shows that Tracy Martin had four phones on that account.

People that have multiple lines on a single account say that you can access all accounts individually and print them out. There are questions also as to statements that Tracy Martin made about not able to get into his (Trayvon) phone to see the call log. maybe it was password protected, but he paid for the accounts and could always access them.

Tracy, Trayvon, and who else were on that account. I found a news story that claimed an interview with a man claiming to be an uncle of Trayvon and lived with them. One more account if that one is valid. If not who are the other two/one.

No one that has a Tmobile account and has downloaded/printed their info gets a record that looks anything like the one Tracy presented. Though formatting issues are obvious.

Dee Dee has not spoken with Sanford Police or the State that I know of. Crump claimed she was/had given a statement to the feds.

Dee Dee or someone on the phone call with the Martins and ABC is a young female and there are couple of statements from her (in the video piece link).

can't back it up, but a poster at Wagist claims to know someone at Omara's office and that he has had these logs and more within 24 hours of taking the case.

Man if they ****ed up and didn't catch the Time stamp, Dee Dee is going to be squirming the next few days. If her phone records and this phone record don't match, that young lady was talked into a crime. And Crump claimed she gave this statement also to the Feds for civil rights actions.

Dee Dee never has talked to the Sanford Police. never talked to the State either I believe. Why didn't they talk to her. She said she wouldn't because she didn't trust them, supposedly. She can't refuse, I think Sanford police didn't even know about her until the ABC story hit. She has been under Crumps wing the whole Time.

If dee dee has spoken to them now, and told that same story with an attorney present "to protect her civil rights" well Dee Dee, they don't let you twitter in jail, you will be a basket case most likely in a week, give it up girlfriend. lol



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