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The people of Iceland voted with torches and pitch forks. I think that may be the only way out.

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Add guns and artillary to the statement, and then ACTUALLY be willing to use the ****, and we MAY have a solution.
I hate to say it, but that is the sad truth of the matter at this point.

I'm with Bhami here, this is a Mittens ad. Romney's pandering fits this ad like a key in a lock. On the bright side the GOP will stab them all in the back a few times before they can vote, by 2016 or 2020 they may be disillusioned and vote Libertarian. So yeah, perhaps there is hope :)

Redwolf wrote..

The people of Iceland voted with torches and pitch forks. I think that may be the only way out.

The pitchforks were metaphorical. All they had to do was say "no". It really is that easy for a sufficiently well-informed public.

Phantomace wrote..

Add guns and artillary to the statement, and then ACTUALLY be willing to use the ****, and we MAY have a solution.
I hate to say it, but that is the sad truth of the matter at this point.

I couldn't disagree more strongly. Violence won't bring positive change, math will do that. The economy will only get worse, even the police have been promised that which can't be delivered. Be patient, and self-sufficient, do not contribute to evil. It's all you can do. A virtuous man should only kill in self defense, when there is no other choice. A man who kills to avenge a robbery is worse than a robber.

Well, the Im2moro Facebook page is as "Republican" as it can be, as you can see whether you have a Facebook page or not.

facebook.com/im2moro

Plus Hannity introduced it to the world.

http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/13....

There is some hope in that this is the sort of video that the Republicans would choose to use to rope in Libertarian-leaning young people, but that is the mission in my opinion from the links above.

Morla wrote..

Violence won't bring positive change, math will do that.

I'm sure Samuel Adams would disagree...and so would many of his contemporaries. The Brits would surely have never left if our Founding Fathers merely did math and sent it to the King.

Morla wrote..

A man who kills to avenge a robbery is worse than a robber.

Counterfeiting used to garner one the death penalty in this country. Was it "worse" than the counterfeiters, for us to have executed them?

I'm just surprised (maybe I shouldn't be) that there are so many who ignore the message in favor of smoking out a bias.

Focus on the message - do you support founding principles, or not ? If even that much is controversial and suspicious, then we have NO path forward as a single country.

Think about it; focus on the message for 30 seconds.

If we can't rally around the Declaration of Independence, this country cannot remain undivided. Maybe Orlov was correct after all.

I don't see the country getting past the next election successfully.

I think the polls showing Obama with ANY vote above about 40%, are fake. I think there are MANY people who are just lying to the pollsters, for many reasons. Romney, as bad as he is, is gonna win in a landslide. This unprecedented discepancy between the polls and reality will make the FSA suspect a fraudulent election. They're way too stupid to sense the discrepancy now. They also have poor impulse control and will riot.

Their lefty bloggers and the MSM are no smarter than the FSA. Their temper tantrums will make the Bush II years look like a walk in the park. They'll encourage the rioting.

Eventually the civil disorder will taper off, but it will be impossible to govern the country.

Combine this with another big financial crisis (which I think will occur in the fall, but maybe later), and we're at the end of the line.

What comes after all that is anyone's guess.

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I don't see the country getting past the next election successfully.

Bah. I've heard that in every cycle since Nixon-McGovern. And yeah, I remember that election as one of the chants on the grade-school playground was "Nixon, nixon is our man - throw McGovern in the garbage can!"

I **** you not, and yes, my memory is that good.

Well, Karl, the difference for me is this: I've never before thought we wouldn't get past the next election.

This will be the other kicker: I think both houses will be Republican-controlled and the majority will be owned by the one percent, as usual. They won't even pay lip service anymore to the middle class.

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I don't see the country getting past the next election successfully.

Bah. I've heard that in every cycle since Nixon-McGovern. And yeah, I remember that election as one of the chants on the grade-school playground was "Nixon, nixon is our man - throw McGovern in the garbage can!"

I **** you not, and yes, my memory is that good.

Bah. I've heard that in every cycle since Nixon-McGovern. And yeah, I remember that election as one of the chants on the grade-school playground was "Nixon, nixon is our man - throw McGovern in the garbage can!"

I don't know about it being before or after the next election, but I beleive what I have read on this and a couple of other sites, meaning that a day of reckoning is fast approaching, and if we as a nation don't shore up our house and batten down the hatches extremely soon the coming storm will be so destructive and do so much damage that we won't recognize the landscape into which we emerge on the other side.

I think the approaching election will be a huge telling point. IF, we actually get to and through it (which I would not guarantee) I believe that the coming regime, whichever asshat wins, will tighten the screws on the few workers / earners that are left to a point of submission, and continue full speed ahead with the work of the oligarchy. As far as either party is concerned, that must continue, with no price or cost too high. It is a given. If we last another year in that environment, then we will last for an extended period of time, with a slow, painful wind down into what will basically be serfdom and slavery to the elite, ruling class as the destination for the 99%. No end or salvation in sight, as they slowly chip away and remove the vestigal remainders of our rights and freedom and sweep them away with the remnants of our republic.

But IF, there truly is a desire within this country to change, and to save whatever is left of it (which is a mere husk of what it once was) then, I believe that that trigger event will happen this year, whether before or immediately following the election.

Hell, it might even be the election that IS the triggering event. And if that is the case, then it's going to be extremely uncomfortable, and extremely dangerous, around here for a while.

I am just not convinced that enough people are aware of what is being lost, if enough care, and if enough are willing to give up the bread and circus promises of the very oligarchy that has the bootheel on our throat, and take a stand for what is right and what is just.

I just don't see enough bitterness, anger, rage, or disgust at .GOV, the banksters, the oligarchy, and the elite to make me believe that there will be change, other than the orchestrated change that is being systematically implemented upon us already.

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I don't see how anyone (on this forum for sure) could dis that video. The message is spot on. What the **** do you want?? Some of you won't be happy unless the perfect (as you deem them) appears like magic?

The folks at FreePac, GBeck, and all of the other like-mindeds know that Romney is likely to be just another Progressive in "republican" clothing, but the real power abides in congress...getting Reps in there that share the values of the video is the first step in trying to win back the country.

If enough people listen to Kibbe and the like, maybe FreePac replaces CPAC...

(and Workerbee, you are no pariah...I was in Dallas and it's a damn shame more folks on this site won't listen to the message, (and see the response!) rather than licking their chops to blast the messenger)

Kidd, I agree with that. And I expect it to get quite uncomfortable. But.... I also believe we will survive.

How do we pay back $16,000,000,000,000? We can't. We won't. I can't get past this.

The two candidates that are electable will do nothing to help the situation, so it will get worse. How long will it be before quadrillion is the new trillion?

Genesis wrote..

"Nixon, nixon is our man - throw McGovern in the garbage can!"

I remember that one as well - but my favorite was one I saw on the wall in the boys' room: "Vote for Nixon in '72 - Don't pull out a Dick in the middle of a screw!"


Re: the message of the video, "vote conservative" - I live in the same US Congressional district as Karl (FL 1). This gives me the opportunity to vote for exactly one truly conservative candidate for a national office - Calen Fretts (in fact, if it weren't for Fretts' candidacy, I most likely would have cancelled my registration by now).

For Senate, there are no legitimate conservatives in the running. Nor, obviously, is there one for President, unless you consider proto-GOPer Gary Johnson 'conservative' (which, based on the totality of his stated positions, I don't).

So, if the kids in the video (or the mysterious grownups who wrote their script and paid for the production) are correct, that the 2012 election is truly "do or die" for the USA, then I'm afraid that I'm betting on "die".

I am still game. The video says to vote. Who do I vote for?

Geschrei,

That bathroom graffito was a paraphrase of the bumper sticker I had on the back of my truck in 1972. "Don't change Dicks in the middle of a screw; Vote for Nixon in '72".

I couldn't get half way through the video.

Who would these kids really be voting for? The Tea Party Republicans that Karl noted had sold out to the bankers, after receiving campaign contributions from them? How many of them used the buzz words that the kids spoke in the video?

Just who is going to uphold anything they proclaim to? The buzz word freedom gets thrown around a lot while the people who speak it fast and furiously, vote to take it away, through slick sounding Acts called Patriot, for one.

I am tired of slick political ads that are designed to game the people viewing them.

I agree with the call for supporting the constitution, but I think that there are items in the video that are not in the constitution, a strong military and protection of our language. I also don't see a problem with protection of religious freedoms. It's a bait and switch, get them hooked with the constitution then switch to other agendas. To me, it is an obvious Republican propaganda piece.

It can't be a Mittens add simply because Mitt is not a Conservative. He certainly isn't a Constitutionalist. I dare say it's not an Obama add either.

I dread election day.

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The pitchforks were metaphorical. All they had to do was say "no". It really is that easy for a sufficiently well-informed public.

No, they had to threaten to burn down Parliament to force their leaders to do what they were elected to do. The time for voting is over. The time for mass protests backed by the threat of action should begin now.

It's clear no matter who you elect our leaders are going to serve the criminals who got us in this mess. March on Washington with torches and burn it down if they don't arrest Jon Corzine and the rest of those criminals. Make them either follow the will of the people, arrest/shoot the protestors in mass, or burn congress down for failing in their constitutional duty. This is the only thing short of a revolution that's going to fix the problem.

God willing this can end peacefully like it did in Iceland.

HAHA - you guys are all pretty funny. 5 Years now we've been coming here waiting for something, anything to change.

And all we've gotten is bupkis - and yes, I could march on DC with a pitchfork, and why in God's name should I ? I didnt cause, this, I didnt sanction this by voting for YAI (yet another idiot) - but I am supposed to be responsible for cleaning it all up. **** that. The morons, the lazy, the criminals and the stupid made their beds - I have zero authority over any of it, therefore I have zero responsibility.

My message to Americans everywhere - you broke it, you get to fix it. Call me when your collective IQ raises 50 points and you understand how much trouble you are truly in.

It is much, much too late for anything to change. The only real question now is how many more years The Great Collapse/WWIII can be pushed back.

My (Fourth Turning based bet) is about 5 years on the low side, 10 on the high side.

Hey look, another football ...

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Who would these kids really be voting for? The Tea Party Republicans that Karl noted had sold out to the bankers, after receiving campaign contributions from them?

Another person claiming that "we did that once, and it didn't work".

We need to do it again, and again, and again, until we are left with a Congress that DOES support the Constitution...vote the bums out, until there are no more.

We seem to have an instant gratification problem in this country, and sadly here on TF as well.

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And then keep voting them out so they don't turn into bums. No incumbents. It shouldn't be a career.

I'm not buying it. Much of the message is inarguably fine, but as has been noted, this is just too slick by half; and in this instance, I believe the bearer of the message is just as important as the message itself. Instead of saying "It's for the children!" why not just have the children deliver the ad and explain that this is the mostest importantest election ever. No, thank you. If the video turns out to be a civics project made by some home-schooling cooperative, then I'll revisit my opinion. Until then, this smells like RNC to me.