Oh Look, It's A RampJob! (Apple)
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Posted 2012-04-25 07:54
by Karl Denninger
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Oh Look, It's A RampJob! (Apple)
 

You have to love the "true believers."

First, we all know Apple always sandbags.  But even I (and I'm a bigtime skeptic when it comes to such things) was impressed with the size of the "beat" that Apple posted up last night.

The market was impressed with it too, sending the shares up some $50 overnight and tacking 50 handles on the NDX, the exact inverse of what a miss would have done.

Yesterday I posted this in Ticks on the forum (available to gold donors):

Apple is right near key support and the -23.6% of the original move down.  Be warned if you're short, if it's going to ramp this would be a prime place for it.
I WILL take profits before the bell unless it totally falls apart first.

And then a short time later...

Out on Apple -- I like money.

Why?  Well, as the above says -- I like money.  I especially like trades that go my way and don't see a reason to risk turning a nice winner into a potential loser.  I covered at $561.93; the trade was nutty good and had bounced off the -23.6% target.  It was a bit short of the actual hit but close enough -- and if we were going to get a massive ramp, that was where it was going to come from.

Trading is about money management.  I don't post trades in real time on the Ticker, although I do sometimes make posts like this showing a postmortem on those that work -- and those that don't.

Why not post them in real time on the Ticker?  There are a number of reasons, with the most important being that a lot of these sorts of things are "stream of consciousness" items, I strongly dislike the idea of people playing "robot" and following someone around on their trades, and a sentence or so is about all you're going to get out of me when I've got my face buried in the terminal and am noodling on what I'm doing.

Incidentally at 14:40 I said this:

BTW Sprint is setting up rather nicely if you're a gambler and would like to buy some $2.50 lottery tickets.

How did that one work out?

Not so bad thus far.

Why?

Again, a technical setup.  The stock was coming into earnings this morning and broke out from the top of a range that many, I'm sure, thought was a death-spiral to zero.  That's a decent little cadre of people who shorted late (IMHO you're nuts shorting $2.50 stocks, but people do it all the time) and that's more than enough reason to add a bit of a news impulse to things and voila -- a nice little rampjob.

I don't know if it will hold; it might not.  Then again it's a hell of a lot easier for a $2.50 stock to go to $5 than a $500 one to go to $1,000.  You'd think not and mathematically a double is a double, but psychologically buying $1,000 stocks is a hell of a lot harder than buying $5 ones for the "retail guy."

Today's market is one of fickle stupidity, and therefore you have to, in my view, play a choked-down swing on your bat with good money management.  That (unfortunately) means you're not an investor, you're a trader -- or you stay out of the market.

I don't claim to be some sort of guru and not everything I do or talk about works.  A lot doesn't work.  But if you have decent money management, which is where most people who trade fail, you can make pretty good money (albeit short-term gains and thus taxed more highly) playing this game when things go your way, and when they don't you lose less than you make.

That trades don't always work, incidentally, means you should never, ever do this sort of thing with money you can't afford to lose, and you should never, ever follow anyone else blindly.  That includes me, for those who need to have it said directly.  One of the tricks to the game is understanding that everyone has a different view of risk, a different style and a different focus.  What works for me probably won't work for you, and what works for you probably won't work for me.  An exchange of information is good, but a blind belief that you can follow someone else -- anyone else -- is likely to lead you right off the cliff.

So don't do that folks.  It's dumb.  No matter who the person is that you're "following."

For those who want to discuss rather than follow, in real-time, what they're doing and why, presenting their arguments and the good and bad that comes from it, the forum has a place for that for those who choose to donate to its operation.  Click on the "Donate" button from the control panel and enjoy the enhanced access.  Just be aware that trading is 90% discipline, money management and psychology and 10% analysis and that 95% of the people who do it shouldn't.

Really.

For everyone else the Ticker will remain as a place to look at the macro economic picture and highlight analytical views that some may find to be of use -- and others not.

As for Apple and its report last night, I've seen plenty of so-called "China Will Save Us" stories, and most of them -- if not all -- are bull****.  Note that iPod sales have cratered; that's saturation playing out.  The same thing has happened with the iPhone in the United States.  My best guess given the game being played with the iPhone (and before you scoff look at the revenue percentage, and how the iPad is basically an afterthought in comparison) is that there are a couple more quarters of this "China" game in Apple's quiver, at which point the "big miss" will come against expectations and then the trap door will open.

The question is "from where?" -- and I intend to try to feel my way around that corner as I did this last time, profiting once again on the short side.

Incidentally, lending support to my view on this is the following from CAT this morning:

We're seeing strong global demand for most mining products and significant growth in replacement demand for products in the United States, which more than offset slowing in China and Brazil,"

Slowing in China eh?  Yep...... the "magic elixer" from Bernanke and financial gamesmanship always feels real good -- right before it goes to hell.  If there's one thing you should have learned over the last five years it's that the entire "decoupling" meme is utter crap, and further, that the pronouncements that "it will all be ok" are nothing more than lies intended to keep you in the water long after you sighted the first fin headed toward you.

Disclosure: As noted in the article I covered my Apple short yesterday well in front of the bell.

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Hreardon
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iPod sales have been steadily declining since 2008. Part of this is due to saturation but part of it is due to consolidation: users are replacing iPods with iPhones or they're forgoing the iPod altogether and picking up an iPhone.

Tim Cook addressed this about a year ago when asked if there was concern. I believe his response was something along the lines of, "we're cannibalizing ourselves with a higher-margin product, so that's okay so long as people are staying with Apple products." iPod sales have also skewed something like 50% toward the iPod Touch, which has significantly higher SRP and margins than the rest of the iPod lineup.

Apple's goal is to constantly move forward - and if they have the products that can deliver on that, then "saturation" isn't as big of a worry. If you look at how they've layered and overlapped products over the last 10 years they've done a good job of riding waves, and as those waves decline they've been able to introduce a higher margin product to take its place.

I'm not suggesting they can do this forever, of course, but it is highly unlikely anyone can successfully predict when this run will come to an end.
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Karl did you see the spin on your analysis of the bottom line cost of phone to the consumer ?

"From the carrier, the subsidy isn't large relative to the sum of monthly payments across a 24 month contract. Any delta between the iPhone and another phone is even smaller."

I still don't know why or how so many people need (or can afford) expensive iphones and plans. Guess I am too frugal a being for 21st century.

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Quote:
"From the carrier, the subsidy isn't large relative to the sum of monthly payments across a 24 month contract. Any delta between the iPhone and another phone is even smaller."

smiley

Oh boy is this going to get fun...

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Once again - AAPL is priced for *growth* ie next year's earnings. When that 'next' year is flat to down it is game over for these insane price moves north. I do not think it will be all at once however but there will be some serious pain for buy and holders at high levels.

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Correct Mayor.

But see, the problem with all this crap is that in the end the value of a stock is the discounted cash flow of the dividend stream -- nothing more.

Everything else is about exponential growth, which must always end at some point. It is the refusal to recognize this that leads people to stick around thinking the next guy will show up and when he doesn't....

smiley

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Glad you covered your short yesterday before the earnings beat Karl. But this is one stock, that if you go back over the years and read your comments about, that you have no read on whatsoever. Wish you were right about your outlook on Apple, but it just has not been the case.
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I agree, unless they pull another blockbuster out of the hat which is a remote possibility with Jobs gone. Jobs had a gamblers survival mentality, that's why he never considered a dividend and took Apple where Microsoft wasn't. Love them or hate them, they have had the best run of any company that I have ever seen. Maybe Microsoft in the 90's comes close.

They really are vulnerable with only two products carrying the valuation though.
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I love the people who take a trading view and try to turn it into an investing one.

This is especially true for those who have no gold star and never have had one, yet take cheap shots without looking at the information they refuse to view.

You only get to do that once around here.

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I wonder how many people on here lost their ass due to your prognostications?
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Cramer just mentioned that China Telecom has 600 Million customers and Apple haven't as of yet signed up with them, although the implication is that they will...

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I wonder how many people want to lose their account?

From TICKS yesterday; if you want to intentionally misuse that which is here and then post like this without bothering to look at the areas where I post real-time data (because you think you should get everything, in real-time, on someone else's dime) you will be departing.
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Apple is right near key support and the -23.6% of the original move down. Be warned if you're short, if it's going to ramp this would be a prime place for it.

I WILL take profits before the bell unless it totally falls apart first.

2012-04-24 13:09:56



BTW options premium isn't that bad -- weeklies are figuring on a move roughly equal to today's in one direction or another (if you guess right)

Hmmm...
2012-04-24 13:10:52


Out on Apple -- I like money.
2012-04-24 13:44:35


You're done.

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Gen is rarely wrong. He may be early lots of times. But he is rarely wrong. You might get a clean double on Apple but it's going to have to continue development of new products to do that. I can't imagine what they'll convince fanboy he needs next but more power to them if they can. Sooner or later competition will reduce their margins.

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yeh RonM you have to follow more closely. He never said to short appl anywhere near its lows. Plus we make our own choices this is not a market letter where a "guru" tells you what to buy/sell or Cramers pumpndump parade.
In "gold" there were good trades ideas on rimm earlier and Sprint.

I wish Gen posted more trades right after he made them. For instance when appl cracked 620 the first time he said a couple days later in a video it 'went to a sell on stochastics.' It would have hepled me to know that info sooner, as it's an area I am not knowledgeable in - would have sold my appl long at 617 or so not 596. In my less-sophisticated analysis, 600 was going to hold.
I don't really regret not being in apple at this moment bc it was prudent to get out on a 600 break. I may even go long a bit again- tough call- but it's our accounts not the TF host's money.

If you want the financial insights they are mainly in gold sections, even from other traders. The rest of TF seems devoted to enlightening sheeple and raging against the machine !

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Since it costs a lot to win, and even more to lose, You and me bound to spend some time wonder'n what to choose. Goes to show, you don't ever know, watch each card you play and play it slow...Wait until that deal come round, don't you let that deal go down, no no. Garcia/Hunter.

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Some of this is funny. Crammer is so full of **** and proof a blind squirrel finds an acorn some times. In bull markets most stocks go up and there are several home runs. AAPL hasn't been the only HR in the last 3 years, just the biggest fad.

China Mobile has 600 million customers? Per capita income in China is about $3000. Half make $1000, that leaves the other half making $5000(these are off the cuff numbers, but I doubt they are so far off (low) to be a material miss). Point being, how many customers are there that can afford a pricy toy who also can afford a place to live and decent food and a car? A country the idiots claim saves 25% of its money (I believe it is credit financing), spending 25% of their income on a phone plan? There is even more, as the phone company has to build a system to handle the customers. I doubt outside of a few select cities there is a market.

Second, there is competition. The people I see with iphones are kids. Older folks like to keep their money or drive a car. Younger people will eventually decide they would like to keep their money as well. The iphone is on credit and that will contract again, Bernanke or no Bernanke.

Third, the terminal value of every company is zero. A few may last a few hundred years. As Karl pointed out, the terminal value is the NPV of a stream of income known as dividends and liquidation. Liquidation is known as stock buybacks, which don't work as they are described, but basically use resources otherwise used to pay dividends or investment to pay a few people for their stock. If a company trades at 5 times book, its balance sheet can only buy 20% of its stock. This works for some companies, but is asset stripping in others and only those that sell get out of the failures. Think of the stock buybacks of CSCO. Whose stock did they buy? Is the proportional value still there for the remaining shareholders?

AAPL is probably good stuff, but it is a fad. And, it is a company the establishment has lined up behind. When people figure out it doesn't have to be i to work good enough, this will change. Seems everyone is putting out an iphone app. They aren't even the market leader. Smells of another Wall Street scheme.

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Cramer is rich. He isn't full of **** - he is your classic snake oil salesman! Look at who is bullish - thousands of rich people!

Why? Because sheeple get into debt and enrich them!

Debt = new Ferraris for the elite's kids' sweet 16 parties and mansions in Cold Spring Harbor!

Apple is not a fad however. Which is why they are now the biggest corporation on the planet. They innovated and pushed things forward. They created new markets and expanded into old ones. They are now an international megastar.

Cabbage Patch Kids, acid washed jeans and Tickle Me Elmo are fads and fads fade in 2 - 3 years.

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That degree is this channel stuffing? This is based on low turn-ons here in US and the claim of Asian support.
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IMHO, I think those of you saying Apple is doomed is wrong. Apple has created a whole ecosystem that allows them to retain users/buyers make money on both the hardware, software, and content side. I have many friends and family that altogether have purchased hundreds of dollars of movies, music, ebooks, and apps on their Mac and iOS devices. I don't see them ever going to other hardware companies because of all the content that they already have with Apple. Can Apple fail? Sure. I just don't see it.
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Jmanng - and that is the real issue here. It's like saying: "Flying is risky. There are a lot of things that can go wrong. At some point, a plane is going to crash."

Well, sure, at some point a plane is going to crash, but who knows when and who knows from what? There are millions of potential reasons why it might crash, there are just as many reasons why it will *not* crash.

If all things are held constant, yes, Apple will feel margin pressure at some point. When? Who knows. It could be from competitors. It could be from component prices increasing. It could be a combination of the two. If we held everything constant then yes, Apple would be in big trouble. But just as likely is a scenario where they have several new products in the wings that will pick up where the iPhone margins left off. It's also possible that Apple will deploy its own wireless infrastructure and go VOIP for telephony, bypassing the telcos altogether.

My point is: there are millions of things that could go wrong for them. Same goes for everyone else in business. Right now they're executing fabulously and apparently investors have bought into the hype that Apple's string of successes will continue, unabated. We all know that the markets are irrational and fickle so none of this should come as a surprise. As an operation, Apple is well run, they've demonstrated the ability to execute and execute well. They contain costs, they evolve and adapt. All hallmarks of a good company.

At some point yes, they will decline. They will make mistakes, they will drop the ball. The key phrase here is: at some point.
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There is a fundamental shift in human consciousness happening due to technology, especially mobile technologies. But hey, get off my lawn.

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Gen, I didn't look. I'm not much into fundamentals, but did Apple cash change at all? They certainly have enough cash to back stop retailers from not buying.

Computer companies do this all the time. They dangle a carrot if a number is sold and even pad (float) the sales to the retailer.

FWIW, anyone bashing your call has never traded and has no business in the markets.

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I happen to love my iPhone and iPad. I liked Steve Jobs since his days at Pixar, but when it comes to investing, that is really beside the point.

Today Apple is on top - no discussion - it's a fact.

Now that being said, I get Karl's point. I can remember in the late 1990s when Nokia seemed be invisible in the mobile phone space with 40% margins on each handset - Motorola just couldn't compete. RIMM first IPO'ed in the low teens in 1997.

Today, Nokia is a $3 stock. The legacy handset division of Motorola is now a division of Google. RIMM, having gone up to nearly $150 in their glory days is now back down near their IPO valuations from the late 90s.

Technology quickly makes things (and companies) obsolete and that's what makes tech stocks so damn risky as a long term investment. I remember when everyone raved about Sound Blaster audio cards - Today?

I'm bullish on Apple as the next guy, but you certainly can not turn your back on any tech stock or you'll likely end up like the share holder of NOK, RIMM, and MOT, BBI, NFLX, etc...
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Apple's cash increased $12.6B from the previous quarter to a total of $110B.

Both Jobs and Cook have stated publicly that Apple will only enter markets where they can contribute, where they can make a superior product.

They made a better music player, they made a better phone, they made a better tablet. Can they keep it up? They claim to have confidence in their upcoming products, but I figure that the longer they maintain their winning streak, the greater the chance that they'll come out with a dud which nobody buys. You have to figure that they went with the low-hanging fruit, with their best ideas first. So, what's left? The longshots? The products which won't appeal to millions?
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Not a fad? Innovative? In what area, wage arbitrage and monopolistic lawbreaking? Technologically everything they've done is a step backwards.. Proprietary software, proprietary hardware (irreplaceable batteries on the ipad? whaaaat?). Why should I buy an Apple product when I have a 5 year old Windows laptop with infinitely more software options? I'm also capable of duct-taping a regular cellphone to a Game Boy if I'm so inclined.

disclosure: No position on AAPL, my opposition to their closed-source and intentionally under-engineered novelties is purely personal.

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