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Etz
Posts: 13892
Incept: 2007-06-26
LA
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Shouldn't this be a non-issue with a $20 "battery tender"?
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Legal chicanery and beneficent darkness are the banker's stoutest allies - F.Pecora.
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Otiswild
Posts: 5627
Incept: 2009-03-09
Inside you, the force is!
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I wonder how much of the battery is devoted to 'reserve' to prevent this from happening? I believe the Volt only uses 60-70% of its battery for this and overall durability purposes (presumably it will increase the % of battery used as it wears) to guarantee it for 8 years/100k miles. Tesla may be able to create a larger reservoir with a firmware update to the BMC, but that would impact advertised range somewhat..
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Genesis
Posts: 130802
Incept: 2007-06-26
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No, as apparently the power level required to maintain charge is quite material and it has to go in the charge port. Never mind that a "battery tender" doesn't work so well in places like an airport garage (e.g. if solar there's a small problem with access to the sun, eh?)
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Wis/min
Posts: 5364
Incept: 2009-08-14
On the border
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And the loss is uninsurable.
So you drive to the airport 100 miles away, go on 2 week vacation and return to a bricked auto.
Neat. :-(
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Northeaster
Posts: 68
Incept: 2011-05-13
Massachusetts
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"And catastrophic to Tesla's sales and corporate prospects" - Unfortunately what is not so funny, is we're paying for this failure: http://www.treasury.gov/ffb/press_releas....Take a good look at The Treasury's own private little bank, which of course taxpayers are on the hook for, if my math is correct (just for Tesla): $30,835,590.00 total, at various (low) rates. Chump change in the grand scheme, but still part of the problem, and when it blows up, guess who pays? Solyndra redux, and probably all "connected" as well to the White House or CONgress in some fashion. |
Genesis
Posts: 130802
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Yep. I know.....
**** Obama and his green energy bull**** -- this is Solyndra all over again. The only "good news" is that this time it's gonna **** rich greenies in the ass, as they're the only ones who can afford those cars to begin with.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Chuckmak
Posts: 314
Incept: 2011-01-05
City of Bridges, PA
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I've never heard of being able to "brick" a car before. That has definitely changed now.  |
Tallystick
Posts: 2231
Incept: 2009-09-20
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Suck, squish, bang, blow mother****ers.
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Gamma
Posts: 5592
Incept: 2008-01-20
Northern CA
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But...but...but, can't I power it off my ipad in an emergency..?
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This stuff we're going through, this is nothing compared to the Middle Ages.
They told me if I voted for John McCain, an idiot would be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Sure enough...
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Mannfm11
Posts: 3556
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
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What I am reading is there isn't a viable electric car you use somewhere else besides the golf course. I know those will run 10 miles. I think the better idea, if you want my opinion for a short milage auto is to run a generator on a compressed natural gas engine. Somehow, I would think you could refuel a NG car off your gas meter.
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Genesis
Posts: 130802
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Quote:. I think the better idea, if you want my opinion for a short milage auto is to run a generator on a compressed natural gas engine. Somehow, I would think you could refuel a NG car off your gas meter. The compressor is about $3,000 (approximately the cost and complexity of a dive compressor, as they are roughly the same working pressures.) If you read Leverage I go through the energy density problems with all-electric vehicles. We don't use liquid hydrocarbons because of some conspiracy, we use them because on an energy density basis there's nothing better available.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Crzymorse
Posts: 1195
Incept: 2010-06-25
Maryland
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The governor of Maryland is pushing a program for off-shore wind power (he is going to run for President after Obama's second term). I think we should watch the Europeans and their wind power for ten years and see if the maintenance and repair costs doubles or triples the cost of electricity as these devices need age.
Gee-a wind turbine in the open ocean, wonder whats going to happen to all that salt. I have a feeling it's going make corn ethanol look efficient.
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Azengrcat
Posts: 184
Incept: 2010-05-31
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They could throw in a 1 hp gasoline generator but that would not be so "green" would it?  |
Lowbeyond
Posts: 16938
Incept: 2008-02-11
CO aka West NJ/East CA
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**** that. Hook up a coal burning stove to it and complete the full life cycle circle. lol
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Maybe it was a birdy bread-bomber from the future?!
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Asimov
Posts: 104066
Incept: 2007-08-26
East Tennessee Eastern Time
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Lowbeyond: Yea, they can always do that... but we're talking about a place where they don't have a connection to the electric grid availible.
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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.
If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
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Digitlman
Posts: 335
Incept: 2011-03-04
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Vitaeus
Posts: 53
Incept: 2010-10-05
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For all the hotel loads (clock, whatever) why not just add a large size capacitor that charges off the main battery and only when the car is "running", if you leave it long enough for the battery to self-discharge, oh well, but remove the sleeper discharge anyhow.
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Superdude
Posts: 278
Incept: 2009-06-16
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You guys are ALL WRONG.
GM can just issue a recall when the problem happens down the line on the tax payers expense.
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Lowbeyond
Posts: 16938
Incept: 2008-02-11
CO aka West NJ/East CA
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im talking about this  Stick some wheels on it, heh
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Maybe it was a birdy bread-bomber from the future?!
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Wis/min
Posts: 5364
Incept: 2009-08-14
On the border
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Lithium batteries self discharge just sitting.
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Genesis
Posts: 130802
Incept: 2007-06-26
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They sure do. They also age just sitting too.
This is one of my problems with the non-replaceable batteries in things like the iPhone and tablets -- when the battery dies, it's a brick, and they die from both cycles AND time.
I've had several laptop batteries die over the years long before the laptop itself became "not useful" to me. Fortunately they were all replaceable, although the cost was a bit "out there."
Two years seems to be about the magic time when capacity drops to the point that problems start.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Craneto
Posts: 63
Incept: 2011-07-15
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Looks like a Northstar conversion would fit pretty well once you strip all the battery crap out. The Fiero guys could probably give some good pointers.
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Flappingeagle
Posts: 1229
Incept: 2011-04-14
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Oh hell guys, just duct tape a solar panel on the roof and don't park in the shade.  As for compressor costs, I was under the impression that the one you can use to refill your Honda Nat Gas car at home is around $1000. Am I way off on that? Flap
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S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu.
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The January 2015 AMZN put at $130 (cost $4.25) will be a winner.
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Mari
Posts: 1012
Incept: 2010-03-05
Central MD
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Crzymorse wrote: Quote:The governor of Maryland is pushing a program for off-shore wind power (he is going to run for President after Obama's second term). I think we should watch the Europeans and their wind power for ten years and see if the maintenance and repair costs doubles or triples the cost of electricity as these devices need age.
Gee-a wind turbine in the open ocean, wonder whats going to happen to all that salt. I have a feeling it's going make corn ethanol look efficient. O'Malley is an idiot who is trying to out-liberal Obama. But hey, we'll get to pay for those turbines on our electric bills, so we can feel "green" even if they don't work. The New York Times is touting both O'Malley and Andrew Cuomo as possible presidential candidates in 2016. I don't know about Cuomo but I will warn you NOW about O'Malley - DO NOT ELECT HIM PRESIDENT! He's pushing a very liberal agenda this year to set himself up, is rumored to be planning to appoint himself Senator in the next two years if/when Barbara Mikulski steps down (she was just re-elected in 2010), has created state and federal legislative/congressional districts that would make a world-class jigsaw puzzle creator proud just so he can protect the liberal democrats and try to wrest away any republican representation in the state that he can, etc. Crzy, I have a friend who lives next door to friends of O'Malley's that he visits sometimes after the Catonsville 4th of July Parade (and lawn chair display, but that's another story). She said he told his friends that he doesn't understand why he gets booed in Catonsville when he's walking the parade route. Really? REALLY? Geesh, he's mentally unhinged if he doesn't have at least some idea!
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