It's About Damn Time (Goldman)
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Posted 2010-04-16 10:48
by Karl Denninger
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It's About Damn Time (Goldman)
 

From the wire:

The Goldman Sachs Group Inc SEC reportedly files fraud charges against company over structures of certain collateralized debt obligations related to subprime.

claims center around omission and mistatement of certain facts tied to subprime mortgages

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From the complaint:

"The product was new and complex but the deception and conflicts are old and simple," said Robert Khuzami, Director of the Division of Enforcement. "Goldman wrongly permitted a client that was betting against the mortgage market to heavily influence which mortgage securities to include in an investment portfolio, while telling other investors that the securities were selected by an independent, objective third party."

You mean creating CDOs specifically at the request of some hedge fund that wants to short subprime (that is, they believe the underlying reference paper is either worth far less - or actually worthless) without disclosing how that CDO came into existence when selling it on to "investors" presents a problem?

See, I told you so.....

Now let's see the SEC actually press this thing and further, let's see criminal charges and I'll be impressed.

BTW, back in February I said:

In other words Paulson combed through the data available on these subprime mortgage deals and picked out the crappiest of the garbage - the most-rotting of the dead fish, all of which allegedly were "AAA" at the time one would presume but which he was quite sure would soon be either downgraded - or default outright - and then asked Goldman to use those as the references against which it would write the swaps that Paulson wanted to buy.

But remember - Goldman didn't buy the bonds to set up the CDO - they just issued a credit-default swap, which, it appears, Paulson's hedge fund bought.

Goldman then went out and solicited people to buy the tranches of the CDOs, selling what was alleged to be a cash-flow stream that Mr. Hedgie had offered (out of the goodness of his heart, no doubt - ed: yes, that's sarcasm) to fund!

Here's the question:

Did Goldman disclose to the potential buyers in the offering circular that John Paulson had come to them with a laundry list of characteristics he wanted in the CDO and offered to fund the credit-default swaps which would only make him money if those reference bonds blew up, and that he would take large, material losses IF THE SECURITIES - AND THE CDO - PERFORMED AND ACTUALLY GENERATED THE CASH FLOWS PROMISED?

The SEC finally thinks this is important?

Duh.

NOW LET'S SEE ALL THE OTHER ALLEGED FRAUDSTERS GET NAILED, LIKE THE GARBAGE THAT WAS RUN ON JEFFERSON COUNTY, ALABAMA!

If you're a PENSION FUND or other investor who got nailed by this crap here is your opportunity to sue these jackasses to beyond the orbit of Mars.

Link to the SEC complaint

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Wonder if they get a small fine and slap on the wrist. Lehman was probably twice as bad with their "vomit" creations. Merrill, not much better, and thain gets a job at CIT.
And how big a pussy is this eric holder?
There will be no fixing this farce, until "we the sheeple", I mean people, demand justice. It should be the direction of the tea party movement, but looks more like party bickering anddistracted horse****.

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I wonder also if Paulson will be brought up and reamed. He was just as responsible.

This is the same as saying Paulson went to the casino, and was allowed to see the dealers cards, while others were now. CNBS IS NOT EVEN TALKING BAD ABOUT PAULSON !!!

Am I WRONG HERE ?
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they seem to be buying the dips!

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There is nothing wrong with Paulson wanting to short these securities because he thinks they're dog****.

The crime is in creating a security for the purpose of giving him a vehicle to short the dog**** but not telling the buyers that you created the security at the behest of someone who is very sure that what you just paid good money for is worth NOTHING!

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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It seems we are seeing a small acceleration of the bad apples being outed.

Now lets see if it leads to convictions and jail time!

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good to see gs stock tumbling also
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Just in time to zero out all those retail folks holding calls.
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Quote:
Investors in the liabilities of ABACUS are alleged to have lost more than $1 billion.
A small fine and a slap on the wrist for the thieves who run the show. That sounds about right.

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Released on OPEX too ... interesting.


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"A small fine and a slap on the wrist for the thieves who run the show. That sounds about right."

This is not the BUSH SEC.
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Does anybody doubt that, once this proved to work, Goldman did it five days a week for years as the SEC slept in the corner?

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Fine, the goldamites are raking it in, shorting themselves.

Actions, punishable by bonus.

Ok, Andy Cuomo, get to work!

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This means nothing wothout perp walks and orange jumpsuits......

See my icon

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Time is up.

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Everyone have a happy Friday. Kind of makes writing that check last night worthwhile. Sic em SEC. Oh Frabjous Day, Frabjous Day.

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Goldman stock reacting as if investors know they are guilty...

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smiley I hope this sticks and these ****ers get nailed to the Star of David. smiley

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Andersen's anyone?
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Everybody involved in this fraudulent CONSPIRACY had better be indicted. I mean individuals, not just corporations. And that includes Paulson and Gold****er.
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Goldman to go private........in 5, 4, 3, .......

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Time is up.

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What were Paulson's picks for ABACUS 2007-AC1? Can't find it at secinfo.
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Anybody think Goldman will crash the markets because of this?

Dirty little ****ers. Waterboard them all.

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As regards John Paulson and similar hedgies like Magnetar - I am not a lawyer, but if one assumes this was a conspiracy to defraud, which it clearly was, they could be trapped under RICO. These billionaire fraudsters undoubtedly have a well-developed exit plan. Lichtenstein? Bahamas? See ya.

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I know I said I was parting ways but news like this is enough to put aside differences. This is HUGE and makes me proud to be an American. Ill remain cautious until I see handcuffs and not some monetary fine. I want to see handcuffs damnit. Obama will be my hero if he follows through with this and doesnt try to squash it like I think he will....

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To any of those alphabet agencies watching, we want criminal charges now.
Civil just won't satisfy the blood lust coming........

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