They're Picking up Fish; Tsunami Curling Over
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Posted 2008-08-14 08:27
by Karl Denninger
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They're Picking up Fish; Tsunami Curling Over
 

95% of America has no idea what's coming.

That's because they don't listen to the credit and FX markets.

On the other hand, a few (very few!) people do.  And those who do are reaching for new pairs of shorts, needing to replaced their soiled ones, every few hours - or minutes.

It really is that bad.

You're not being told on Bubble TV, mostly because people either don't get it or are trying like hell to figure out how they're going to get out of the mess they're in themselves, and are not all that interested in helping you find the door - its not very wide, there are a lot of people in the room with them, the curtains are on fire and they need to get through it first.

Let me give you a few hints, so you might understand:

 This is just one (of many) examples.  It is the "AA" rated "slice" of an index, specifically, the "Home Equity Credit" ABX index which is on, effectively, swaps on asset-backed paper.

As the name implies, this is Home Equity loans, the "AA", or one step down from the top (AAA) rated debt.

Notice where its trading?  10 cents.

The "AAA" slice is trading at about 50, by the way, and the "A" and "BBB" is in even worse shape.

That's nasty.

Now here's something that's even worse.

This is the "CMBX", or Commercial Real Estate (you know, shopping malls, apartment buildings, etc) spreads.  I'll reproduce two:

These are quoted as spreads, or basis points, over the benchmark which is a swap (in this case I believe its the 10y).  The important point is the direction of the graph.  Higher = worse.  In this case, a lot worse, in that these spreads have nearly doubled in less than three months!

But AAA only looks bad until you see this:

 If that doesn't peel your whig back nothing will.

Twenty-five hundred basis points over Treasuries, and for all intents and purposes since June the direction of those spreads have been straight up?

Huh?  Am I reading that right?

That's Guido-credit-card territory.

Now for the guy who wants to put one of these deals together, realize that the "BBB" piece is just that piece that gets "sliced off."  His "composite" cost is probably somewhere around 10%; figure the swap is around 5ish, and then the "blended" spread on all the components once you do your magic winds up at around 500 over that.

That's bad.  In fact its real bad; you have to be able to cash flow at that same 10% (of the gross on the deal) to break even, and of course nobody works for free.  For all intents and purposes this marks that part of the market as "done", as in "baked", "well", or more likely, "crispy."

Now I want you to sit back in your chair, grab a snifter of quality Cognac, and cogitate for a minute.

Consider the plight of a couple of firms who operate like Hedge Funds (or are Hedge Funds!), buying the slices of that paper and gearing up, making lots of money the last few years.  In fact, they crowded most other people out of the market and drove bids so high that money got very cheap for a lot of people in their marketplace.

But now the spreads have blown out on that paper as the underlying loans have started to show stress, and that paper is worth much less.  Some might be even tripping "acceleration event" clauses in the structuring, or worse, defaulting outright.  Consider those ABX and CMBX charts for just a little while, and then think about the fact that this isn't just residential HELOCs or Commercial Real Estate - it is in fact every kind of loan made to, literally, everyone.

Ok, so here you sit, geared up, oh, let's be generous and call it 20:1, maybe 30:1, maybe even 60:1, and you've been carrying marks at, oh, 98, 99 cents.  You're taking losses, and in fact they're pretty big losses, but that's only because you have a absolutely enormous amount of book out there.  As a percentage, those losses are quite small but when geared up like this you wind up bleeding out on the sidewalk screaming for a blood transfusion to keep you alive.

But now your accountants or worse, your auditors notice that heh, the ABX.HE says that "AA" debt is 10 cents.  CMBX BBB spreads are 2500 basis points over Treasuries, or close to a 30% (!) yield. 

You think about the duration times spread for a few seconds and turn white as a ghost at what this implies about the "value" of the paper you're holding, not to mention the odds that it really is a zero, and what's worse is that you borrowed the money to buy it!

Oh, and Mr. Pencil-Neck (that's the Auditor on the other side of your desk) is tapping his shoe on the floor impatiently.

He wants to know, you see, how you came up with that impairment and charge on your last set of financials.

Folks, this isn't bad, its a full-on meltdown, China Syndrome style.  Its happening right here and now, under your nose.  As this noose tightens further, and tighten it will (notice that all the "stick save" games the government has played have had only transient impacts on the progression of this problem) credit will choke off system-wide - not because people don't want it (witness the desperation of Americans evident in the latest Consumer Credit Report), but because people can't pay - they're over-encumbered and simply unable to support any more debt!

The happy-face folks on BubbleVision are not talking about it, but this does not mean it is not happening.

It most assuredly is.

Now you know, and have time to act.

I recommend running, and ignoring the fish, because the door is quite narrow and essentially every levered institution is in the room with you.

Think about who's on that list for a bit. 

That's your homework assignment.

PS: CPI up 0.8% (!) headline, 0.3% core, real earnings down; Jobless claims 450,000 last week, continuing claims to 3.4 million.  Futures bleed.

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Maddog
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Thanks Karl but not a good way to start the day. The truth hurts.

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Great ticker karl, ...however I'm now totally confused, I get equities die, but PM's?, do they follow it down then rise?, and the dollar I presume dies with equities... or goes to the moon as bond yield go parabolic...?

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karl, i think this was the best ticker i've ever read. what events could happen to make these spreads tighten and have everything start getting back to normal? if anyone is levered, aren't the banks making them come up with more collateral and how have these bonds been shown on the books, as par?

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Love the title....LOVE the title.
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Karl, thank you!!! This one's the Kicker!

What a way to start off the day --but we have been approaching critical mass for quite some time. I think that things are slowing way down, moreso then is anticipated by the Mainstream Media, and the level of resignation, where people just accept it, living in quiet desperation, tells me that the last vestige of denial is going broke.

Let's hope--for what--I haven't a clue--but let's just hope.

LOL!

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I have been reading the tickers for a few months now with the understanding that it's going to get bad. Today's ticker indicates it's getting urgent. I've done some preparations...out of debt, sold stocks, transferred bond fund to Treasury fund in IRA, transferred savings account to 4-week Treasury bills via TreasuryDirect, have couple months cash at home, some extra canned goods and extra can opener.

What's remaining to do before its a full-on meltdown, China Syndrome style? Do we need to prepare for intermittent supplies of gasoline, electric, water?

Thanks

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What's really going to take the cake is all of the 'financial advisers' who will be trying to sell these 'AA' rated bonds to all of the grey-haired old folks, luring them with a promise of a 30% yield on a AA bond.

You know that **** is going to happen.

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What's the breakdown on who are the ultimate bag holders - Chinese, Japanese, and emirs, the ones with the cash? What was payable in crappy benjamins won't be paid at all? Wasn't Paulson threatened about backing GSE products. What's the geopolitical implication of a daisy chain mass-domino breakdance? Tsunami indeed.
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KD said:

Quote:
95% of America has no idea what's coming.

That's because they don't listen to the credit and FX markets.


95% of America has no idea what's coming. Close enough, its probably closer to 99% but I'm not quibbling.

And just exactly how does this information intrude on the 95%'s reality? Is it on billboards, on the radio, on TV, MSM? The 95% aren't going to go in search of this information, it has to INTRUDE ON THEIR REALITY and that is not something MSM is going to do.

Got to keep the masses barefoot and pregnant, otherwise they might do something foolish. The most important thing, is to keep the masses spending. If they don't, well then, the house of cards comes tumbling down much faster.


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Yeh..99% of the masses don't get it or even understand what the bond and stock markets are. BUT...you can bet that the "smart money" gets it. So my question is...Who is buying all the liquidation going on by the smart money....and if they are not liquidating then why not? The only thing I can come up with is that they are selling to foreign investors right now who will be left holding the bag......any comments would be appreciated....
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Wow!

Starting to pay closer attention to the Trade logs of the Sr. members...

Wow, did I say that already?

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Sr. Members????
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I have one question... Basis points in the CMBX are different then elsewhere right? Please tell me we're not talking about 25%...

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Cobra.. they are, see that 30% yield that's 25 + treasury yield.. approx.

Karl, great ticker, thank you.

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I like your analogy. Somehow you keep outdoing these tickers. Can you see the wave yet?

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Cobra, a basis point is a basis point, and yeah, it does mean what you think it means.

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What is holding the stock market up? I realize that it is down 15 or 20 percent from its highs, but given all of the problems, shouldn't it be down another 15 or 20 percent?

I'm lost.

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Equities are dumb money.

Its that simple, really.

FX and Credit lead.

Just watch..... its coming..... all these pieces fit exactly into the thesis I put forward in the summer of last year in terms of how this would play out.

It also, eerily enough, matches 1931. That ain't good.


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Cobra, a basis point is a basis point, and yeah, it does mean what you think it means.


When you hear 25% over treasuries the first thing you think is "nahh... Can't be that high..."

I don't even pay that on my worst credit card...

Yeah, this is going to get fun...smiley

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gen (or others)...have you or many other posters talked about how the (oncoming, still hasn't fully got in gear yet) credit crisis seems to be killing MBSs, CDOs, other swaps, corporate paper etc, but because most commentators, equities traders, and even amateur economic historians are focusing so much on the government paper, that they are missing the signals entirely...also, are some of us who have been looking for TNX, TLT, blowouts wrong, or just early, i.e. after the credit crisis of the other places crunches, THEN the govt bond market dislocation can/will occur but only after a flight to safety as the corporate and other bond markets come unglued.

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This article (around a year old) entitled "Making The Bad Seem Worse" claims that Markit.com chooses the weakest tranche when they calculate an index: "It turns out that when Markit chooses a "typical" AAA or AA or A or BBB tranche for its index, it actually always chooses the weakest tranche with that rating."

http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/mar....

Is it true that Markit is making things seem worse then they really are?


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Its actually worse than over treasuries; its over 10 year swaps for most of these products, and that's right around 5ish right now (about 100 bips over TNX) cause the "vig" has to be paid on the swaps (commish, etc)

The entire point I was making is that you could literally finance these things on a credit card for less than the implied yield on the BBB and A tranches, and if your credit is real good you could beat it with plastic on the "AA"s!

I've never seen that sort of **** before.

Those who say this is confined to residential R/E have rocks in their head.

JPick, if the government ringfences Treasuries will get hit but not terribly bad. Look at 30/31 for what happened in the credit markets. The government refused to stop the commercial credit implosion and as a result while spreads went to **** in most places the blowout, although it happened in Treasuries, was relatively mild.

This is the danger I was referring to with trying to bail Freddie and Fannie, or anything else for that matter. You take this risk onto the government's sheet and the spread blowout moves there in equal degree to the percentage moved .vs. the government' indebtedness, plus a risk premium for destabilization.

THAT is what we can't have happen. We can have a ****storm economic and so long as the government debt remains "clean" it will be preferrentially bought keeping government financing costs reasonable, even though other commercial credit goes straight to ****.

If GOVERNMENT financing costs blow out we're ****ed.

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It's 10:25AM here in Las Vegas and I think this a great Ticker to start the day. I really liked this line:

"I recommend running, and ignoring the fish".

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The sheer amount of 'no ****' financial info to be learned on this site is just astounding! TNANKS GEN!

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