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2023-09-19 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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So You Wish To Ban Fossil Fuels?
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There was a march this weekend for exactly that in NYC.

It was rather amusing to watch people parading around arguing for being disrobed, for the street they walk on to not exist, to have no means to get to and from same, for the signs and markers used to make them to not exist and in fact to not have the free time to march at all.

Oh, and to slaughter a few billion people world-wide as well.

You see, without fossil fuels the shoes said people were wearing would not exist.  Remove them now, jackass, and set your own example.

The street would not exist either; asphalt is made out of oil, so you would be walking a dirt street.

Said street would be covered in horse piss, because there are no cars, trucks and similar -- and somehow goods have to get places in quantities that a human cannot carry; ergo, you must use beasts.  Fine, but said beast will piss and crap wherever it is at the time.  You can capture the crap with a diaper, but not the piss.  Thus you will walk in it.

You would not be there because the vehicle you used to get there would not exist.  Oh, you say, we'd use electric trains and such.  Fine, except without petroleum there are no insulators for the wires and thus there are no electric vehicles either.  You could probably use steam without petroleum inputs (there are biological alternatives for seals and oils, for example), but what do you intend to burn to make the steam?  I thought you didn't like burning things?  As for the oils most of those marching have plenty; we'll use them for the source.

There would be no cellphones. Virtually every component in them requires petroleum to manufacture it. The screen, processor, battery, case, sealants, connectors, antennas and more.  If you oppose "fossil fuels" take your cellphone (and computer; same issues) and throw them both in the trash immediately.  In a no-fossil-fuel world they will not exist so you might as well get started now.  Oh, this applies to that nice flat-screen TV you own too.  Throw it out.  You're not a pig and a climate-criminal, are you?

If you're a man you would have no time to march at all because without fertilizers (all you'd have to fertilize with is what comes out of the back of your horse, ox or similar) your crop yields would be a fraction of what they are now.  Without fossil fuels you cannot pump anywhere near the quantity of water now consumed, nor till the land with other than said beasts and there are no pesticides.  All this makes some people happy right up until they realize that now you must work said land by hand and raise small animals to survive, leaving you no time to go wave signs in a city.

If you're a woman you get to join said man in the field because you must produce too or you will starve.  The only exception is if you're literally barefoot and pregnant, thus unable.  The man in that case (and you better keep him around or you and your young children are dead of said starvation) in fact winds up doing your work in exchange for pussy.  So much for your "feminism"; it only works out when there's a lot of economic surplus and hard manual labor is not required to eat, doesn't it?

Oh, but you say, I won't have kids and don't need a husband.  Fair enough.  In 20 or 30 years your body will be broken down from said hard work (as will the man's) -- now who's going to provide enough food for you to eat?  You can't do it anymore yourself and you considered bearing children to be a "burden" unworthy of your "fine sensibilities"; well, unlike today that gets you dead as you get a bit older; nobody 20 years old and able-bodied with a working dick will choose you as the beneficiary of their extra work.  You can't give them children anymore even if you managed to remain sexually attractive and you didn't create any children who, you hope, might have gratitude for the fact that you fed them off your tits for their first months of life!  Oops.

Electricity?  What's that?  You banned "fossil fuels" which means no insulation, no fiberglass to make windmill blades and no solar panels.  A crude metal windmill might produce a bit of power sometimes, and might be able to pump your well water.  When the wind blows.  But without insulation and the oil to go into a transformer you can't move said energy anywhere useful beyond your own small homestead, nor distribute it. 

You get ill.  You want to go to the doctor but he has no medicines; they're all made in some part with fossil fuels.  Organic and inorganic molecular synthesis relies on it.  Never mind IV tubing (vinyl and silicone), the bag to contain the IV (plastic), injection equipment (plastic), the mask you demand someone wear (blown plastic fiber) and more.  Oh, and let's not forget anesthetics; you do know why the ORs were on the top floor of hospitals before they existed, yes?  (Hint: It has to do with not being able to hear the screams from persons operated on without them!)   Ban exploitation of fossil fuels and none of that exists and we're back in the dark ages medically.  Congratulations, we'll send the Priest over to try to banish the evil spirits making you sick.  It probably won't work.

Then it becomes cold.  You know, winter?  How did you say you were going to stay warm again?  You didn't think about that, did you?  You die -- you literally freeze to death.

Modern civilization exists because of the exploitation of carbon.  I don't care if you like it or not; facts don't care about your feelings and banning exploitation of carbon will kill people in size along with collapsing the economy.

No person who argues for this has any business being anywhere near the levers of power, including RFK who has publicly declared he will do so.  He has publicly declared himself a mass-murdering psychotic asshole who has no business in any policy role, period.

And so has every single one of the idiots who marched over the weekend.

You're entitled to be nuts and screw yourself as a consequence.  Its a free country, and even taking personal actions that result in your own death is in fact a right you possess.

But you're not entitled to screw others, and if you credibly threaten to do so we all have a collective and individual right to stop you.

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Orangecrush 176 posts, incept 2018-09-29
2023-09-19 10:50:22

Oh my, excellent beyond words!

Everything you wrote is true, but such clear facts will not budge the idiots who think getting rid of all fossil fuels is a must to 'save the planet'.
Cmoledor 2k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2023-09-19 10:50:22

Yep. To all of it. Especially pussy in exchange for work. Its the way humans are. Like it or not. And fuck RFK. Hes a fucking scammer like they all are. I hate them all.

The whole world is one big fucking scam
Full throttle till the end. Ocdawg
Take the stick you tried to beat me with and go fuck your own face. Ishmael
Zanker 78 posts, incept 2022-12-06
2023-09-19 10:50:22

Then it becomes cold. You know, winter? How did you say you were going to stay warm again? You didn't think about that, did you? You die -- you literally freeze to death.

Give it ons mild winter, and they'll stay warm with animal furs. The Polar the better smiley
Augeries 418 posts, incept 2019-09-26
2023-09-19 10:50:22

I recall a boss I had. You could explain to him that his ideas had been tried before, did not work, wouldn't work a different way, and all the reasons it would not work.... and his answer would be "but we need to at least try!"

The useful idiots pushing this crap are of a same mentality, that we can simply will things into existence.

Their puppet masters wish to return the world to feudalism, and this is one of the steps on their plan. Freedom of movement and abundance of resources must be destroyed so that the serfs will obey the nobility.

The World is Quiet Here.
Tonythetiger 939 posts, incept 2019-01-27
2023-09-19 10:50:23

Let's not forget refrigeration. Those marchers will just have to dig Great Grandpa's old ice saw from out of the attic and take to the frozen streams and ponds nearby to harvest and store ice for the coming Summer.

I s'pose a small solar panel array, battery, and thermo-electric igloo cooler might be passable for a decade or so. That'll give everyone time to plan and build enough new ice houses.

Transportation might also be possible if you can get an old car with a carburetor and convert it to run on wood gas. Ditto for old tractors, until the tires wear out.

Of course you need youngsters bright enough to figure this stuff out from scratch and then build it.

And there's the rub.

"War is when the Government tells you who the bad guy is. Revolution is when you decide that for yourself." - Benjamin Franklin
Dingleberry 831 posts, incept 2011-11-06
2023-09-19 10:50:23

Which gender is leading the charge into the woke abyss? This is what happens when hordes go to college and less than 1 in 10 knows math or physics 101. I have read 75% of young women are now firmly woke. That is your future. Good luck trying to use reason with them. And the millennials as a whole are about as bad.

I'm actually enjoying watching the UAW strikes that will eventual destroy both the union and the companies (again) and it's in large part due to the gov mandating EVs. Musk gets subsidies and brainwashed millennials and karens buy overpriced golf carts and virtue signal. Big 3 and UAW forced to sell (or try to sell) their EVs but do so at a loss. Where have we seen that movie before? Bailout round 2 (or 3 if you are Chrysler)?

Do the maff on that one. But hey...those shit heads supported Brandon and his "green" madness. They can pay for it. Let them do tik toks on how hard their lives are.

Fuck the whales. Fuck the birds too. Everything and everyone will be slaughtered at the alter of green. Except for their fascist oligarch overlords.

Western society is doomed. We crossed the sanity Rubicon quite awhile ago. You see the madness not only getting worse, but actually speeding up. Overton window. I can only imagine what life will be like in another decade.

Our competitors (i.e. enemies) have no such woke or unscientifically insane policies. They will drill and mine to their hearts content. While idiot karens and soys in the west demand deindustrialization.

This is one of the main reasons I do not foresee deflation, certainly over the long term. Even if the economy shits the bed, energy prices will drive costs higher. Which of course makes EVERYTHING cost more.

Reminds me of the 70s, except instead of an embargo by the Arabs, we are doing it to ourselves.

Better stock up on those antidepressants wimminz and millennials.

You gonna need them.

Invisiblesun 834 posts, incept 2020-04-08
2023-09-19 10:50:23

It will be interesting to see if the idiocy stops before the destruction of modern life becomes imminent.
Unwashed 113 posts, incept 2023-06-23
2023-09-19 10:50:23

What pisses me off the most is I lived in NYS for 63 years and every house runs on oil or gas furnace. I had an Oil fired burner below a hot water boiler with a 275 gal oil tank outside which is standard for NYS. Best heat ever IMO, times that by 7.5 million homes in NYS and ONLY 1 small town in NYS is green.

Meanwhile these cocksucking, motherf'ing Democrats pushed all the fucking stupid repub states (Texas anyone) to go electric. God what a bunch of dumb fucks these repub are. import illegals to turn states blue and for insurance kill them by forcing electric on them. Seems the democrats are much smarter then dumbass rednecks.
Peterm99 9k posts, incept 2009-03-21
2023-09-19 10:50:23

Well stated in a very easy to understand manner. Problem is that those those advocating total abandonment of fossil fuels are too brainwashed and/or stupid to comprehend reality.

BTW, 5th para "The street would exist either . . ." should have a "not" appropriately inserted.

". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance b
Krzelune 17k posts, incept 2007-10-08
2023-09-19 10:50:23

I've always said it is a death cult and they should set the example.

Bzelbob 499 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2023-09-19 10:50:23

Bravo! smiley

Kipling would have understood very well:

In the CARBONIFEROUS Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "IF YOU DON'T WORK YOU DIE."

Many in that parade have thought no further ahead than just getting rid of something.
But getting rid of something almost always involves replacing the 'something' with 'something-else'.
(And one should always ask what's on the other side of the coin/deal/trade/etc..)

They obviously haven't thought that far ahead.
Clownworld on parade...
Once again.


"Threats are illogical. And payment is usually expensive." - Sarek of Vulcan
Nelstomlinson 961 posts, incept 2011-12-21
2023-09-19 10:50:23

You could probably use steam without petroleum inputs (there are biological alternatives for seals and oils, for example)...

Gonna have to launch some whaling ships, kill a bunch of sperm whales for the oil. Make Nantucket sleigh rides Great Again!
Jazen 4k posts, incept 2007-07-17
2023-09-19 10:50:23

World Made by Hand is a good tale about life without fossil fuels

I hate our Government, but I still love America.
Pavolley 138 posts, incept 2016-05-25
2023-09-19 10:50:23

None of these libs seem to think through the consequences of their decisions or actions. There's a reason the Swiss built their home over the stables. They had horses to take cheese, meats and grains to market. To drag wood from the forest for heat and cooking. And the benefit of heating the home from the stables. Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm, imagine a lib trying to live that kind of life. Oh, you want some light to read by on those long, dark Winter nights? Whale oil bought with the money you made from cheese, because cheese doesn't burn well!
Joancrawford 781 posts, incept 2013-10-14
2023-09-19 10:50:23

Very timely ticker. I spent the past weekend in New Jersey at an out of state wedding for my nephew and his new bride. My oldest brother, father of the groom, (a successful retired electrician AND physics major) spouted off about "glow-bull warming" and how we all need to take heed.

I no longer will engage in conversation with these people. They view it as a religion. It's like trying to argue with a rock.

My sister, her 35 year old daughter, and I had lunch with him prior to our flight home. My sister out of the blue mentioned that she hoped he wouldn't get any more boosters. He gave her a look that would kill.

So There's no point in trying to dissuade these assholes when it comes to rational, clear-headed thinking. Doesn't work so I no longer even try. Have at it, bitches!

OT-Direct cut'n paste from a former ultra lib facebook coworker. Names deleted or changed to protect the very stupid:

Hope all of you tested for covid. It is one of the signs. Had it for 2 weeks

John Smith I did and I was negative. Im getting the booster when its ready.
Mary Smith
Elmer Fudd me too.

Mamma always said, "Stoopid is as stoopid does."

Time may be a great healer, but it's a lousy beautician.-Dorothy Parker

Boys don't make passes at girls with fat asses.-slightly modified DP
Phillydog 106 posts, incept 2021-09-13
2023-09-19 10:50:23

as an engineer this is just an absolutely awesome piece! our fellow man is truly retarded
78rpm 20 posts, incept 2023-08-07
2023-09-19 10:50:23

My neighbor has a Musx car so I asked why electric? Acceleration and gadgets! Glad you didn't say good for the environment. But it is that too! Tell that to slave labor and offshore pollution and however you got the electricity and the dead batteries.... he walked away lol

Do away with carbon and its just another monument to ignorance.
Printlife 284 posts, incept 2018-05-22
2023-09-19 10:50:23

Orwell called it decades ago:

It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers−out of unorthodoxy.

Seems human nature doesn't change. Do they lead sheltered lives or do they not understand thermodynamics?

Vaccination required? Not if we leave.
Now in Florida, heart rate dropping, nicer people
Ewtnewbie2 298 posts, incept 2021-09-13
2023-09-19 10:50:23

You tell the maskholes such an inconvenient truth when you show them what their beliefs will ultimately lead to--and in short order too! This argument needs to be shoved in the face of every human protesting and trying to get others to share their beliefs. Show them the truth and don't be shy about it.

Great Ticker KD. Well done.
Ingar 638 posts, incept 2017-02-14
2023-09-19 11:00:31

These people have every right to march and demonstrate. Unfortunately they can vote. If they were deeply committed to their beliefs, they should live by them in their everyday lives. They won't because they are shallow people and are unwilling to undergo the harsh lifestyle, as outlined by this Ticker, that their beliefs would impose on them and the rest of society. The closest life that I can see without fossil fuel is what the American Indians had before Europeans moved in. What percent of our present population could such an economy support; maybe 2-3%?

The string pullers who own our politicians and promote such nonsense as this have already ruined our economy by deindustrializing it and turning it into a financial house of cards. Apparently they think that they are immune from the dire consequences of banning fossil fuels. They'll just be the last ones to starve.
K5555 179 posts, incept 2021-04-18
2023-09-19 12:28:34

It is too much to ask, but if one wants to eliminate something, one should understand why it is there in the first place. Want to take down a fence? Tell me why the fence was put there. Want to destroy all your dams like CA using water project funds meant to store water? Tell me why the dams were installed. Want to eliminate fossil fuels? Tell me why we use them today (Hint: bias against a particular group is not the right answer).

Fight like you are the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark and it is starting to rain.
Spanktron9 7k posts, incept 2009-03-13
2023-09-19 12:58:56

Had this discussion with a left leaning friend the other day. When I told him, his entire world would not exist, including himself, but for the exploitation of LCHC he said that wasn't true. I replied "Name me one single thing in your entire life that wasn't made possible due to LCHC exploitation." His reply "I reject your assertion that just because I can't think of anything on the spot that you are correct."

"This entire country needs a rebirth. Birth is painful and bloody." -Eleua
"Don't coast through life. Grab it by the hair and fuck it half to death." - Jotapay
Statman6 26 posts, incept 2021-04-19
2023-09-19 12:59:09

We need a very wealthy conservative to anonymously sponsor a demonstration project where climate change adherents are paid to live without any fossil fuel utilization while also not using any petroleum-derived products. Furthermore, they must sign a waiver stating that they will not obtain medical treatment, even if life-saving, if either of the two fundamental principles (no fossil fuels and no petroleum products) will be violated. It would interesting to see how many would sign on for this project.
Greenacr 896 posts, incept 2016-03-15
2023-09-19 12:59:17

We need a severe recession plus a slew of hard winters so that these (mostly young) wokesters can suffer.

Stupid ideas show that we are a victim of our own prosperity. Most in this country have not experienced hard times and until they do, they will keep looking for rainbows and unicorns. Right now, "struggling for most people is a choice between are trying to figure out whether they should get a new phone or a new tattoo. That choice needs to change to whether I buy food or paying my rent.
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