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2023-09-06 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Witness the article yesterday on Casper, Wyoming that has seen a wild-eyed increase in homeless people burgling various structures (the apologists call it "squatting" -- which is true but preceded by burglary, which is a felony) and crapping on the streets and in other public places which wildly raises the risk of serious (indeed, what were all the leading causes of death pre-sanitation systems!) disease.

Do you believe homelessness is new?  Of course it isn't.  In the 1990s I used to make a practice during the Christmas season of buying loaves of bread, peanut butter and jelly along with some cheap plastic sandwich bags, making up some sandwiches, and then attempting to give them to the bums on Lower Wacker Drive.  Once I was threatened with arrest by one of Chicago's "finest" for doing it (I wasn't a "licensed food vendor" you see, although I was giving away said food.)  I told him to go ahead and cuff me if he really wanted to, but I had a suspicion that my mug on the evening news wasn't going to reflect well on the department.   He left me alone.

But what went along with that is that I got more refusals than takes. Ditto if a bum accosted me coming out of a restaurant asking for money. I frequently had a "doggie bag" and, being that I wasn't exactly broke, it usually had something pretty good in it too -- often a part of a steak or similar.  Never once did said bum want the food -- not once.  Always money -- and why?  Because they were going to buy booze or drugs with it.  It wasn't hard to figure out even then.

But they didn't crap on the streets.  Why not?  Because they all knew that if they did they'd get arrested and while a night in jail meant a meal it also meant no drugs or alcohol and the same dynamic played out there that did with the doggie bag -- they had no interest in being "housed", even just overnight in the lockup, if it meant no booze or drugs -- and it did.  So they didn't crap on the streets and didn't throw their needles around on the street either, and you know damn well most of them were using and everyone has to take a dump once a day or so.

Let's pivot a bit.  This article, from 2015:

So yeah, bring on the automation.  But let's cut the crap about "safety benefits" until I can climb in the back seat and punch in a destination, leaving as my only remaining manual task refueling when the tank gets low.

Do remember that in 2016 a Tesla drove under an 18-wheeler trailer that was making a left turn onto a state highway in Florida at speed, decapitating the driver.  It is alleged that a portable DVD player was found in the vehicle (well, what was left of it) positioned such that it was likely it was in use and running a movie.  The so-called "autopilot" was reported to have been in use.  I wrote about it at the time.

What I originally posted on this topic was eight years ago.  Today we are no closer to actual "self-driving" vehicles on an open road, unconnected basis than we were then.  Oh sure, people claim otherwise but the facts are that exactly zero such vehicles have been delivered to customers.  I cannot buy one no matter how much money I have; they don't exist.

How many people have bought a "feature" that allegedly, in the future, will deliver this capacity?  I don't know, but I do know that touts are all over the Internet claiming that it'll happen -- and Elon Musk, who controls Tesla, is one of the loudest leaders of a fanboy cult on this matter, with the latest being an alleged video he posted of him tooling around a California area without his hands on the wheel.  Oh, and said touting is all over his platform "X" too -- big shock, right?

But do note about that latest "demonstration" -- he was in the driver seat the entire time; he did not climb in the back with a six pack of beer, drunk well beyond legal limits and thus risking his driver license and a criminal DUI conviction if in fact his vehicle wasn't "fully self-driving."

Which it wasn't and isn't.

Now tell me why eight years later from "autopilot" being sold to the public Elon hasn't had to either put up a working implementation that actually delivers on the claims or refund all the money taken, with interest and penalties for making a claim that thus far, there is no evidence can or will be delivered?  Indeed how many of those vehicles have been destroyed (by fire, collision, theft, mechanical failure, etc.) yet the funds were collected for a thing never delivered -- and never will be as the vehicle no longer exists as a road-worthy means of transportation?

Let's be clear: There is no such thing as "full self-driving" or anything called an "autopilot" for a car until you can get into the back seat of the vehicle while intoxicated or in possession of open intoxicating beverages, designate the destination for the vehicle to travel to, and have zero capacity to physically control or be responsible for the vehicle and the damage it might cause to persons or property along with no liability for being intoxicated as you are not in control of said vehicle and, in fact, you're not even "intoxicated in public" because you are entirely enclosed within your private property.  That is, you have no liability insurance premium to pay when the vehicle is used in such a mode and you can go somewhere while literally blind-drunk without a care in the world; the company that sells said vehicle is liable for the vehicle's operation in its entirety because you're not driving -- the computer it sold you is.

Speaking of which if you have to pay a subscription fee on a recurring basis you weren't sold said computer that is capable of that alleged "full self-driving" either and any representation you were, either explicitly or by implication, is a lie as well.  A thing I buy is mine -- the money has changed hands, so have the goods, and that's the end of it.

If you are sold something that is not what it was claimed to be whether by inference or direct representation that's against the law and doing that is supposed to result in criminal prosecution and restitution for everyone who paid and didn't get what they bought.

Has there even been a hint of prosecution for any of this -- or even a "stop sell" order?  No.  Why not?

How about "driving assistance" generally?  Blind-spot monitoring is great, right?  Perhaps it might be -- right up until it doesn't work as expected.  What happens then?  How long is it before you've trained every driver on the road, effectively, that they no longer need to turn their head and look before changing lanes?  Human factors -- including laziness and learned dependence -- are real and disclaimers in owner's manuals don't change them.  At least said "assistance" features are honestly marketed as what they truly are: Assistants -- much like your coffee maker "assists" you in heating water and pouring it through coffee you placed in a filter.

But let's not kid ourselves -- if you're selling something that damages driving capacity generally why are not you, as the manufacturer, liable for that?  You should be -- right?  You would be if there was a 50 gallon container of vodka and a straw delivered inside each new vehicle that the driver could suck on any time he wants, so why aren't you when you create dependence on a thing that is expensive, not universal, and habituates someone in a way that when it is withdrawn or absent their driving skill is damaged.

Remember the "Great Financial Crisis"?  What caused it?  People being enticed to take out fraudulent loans to buy real estate which every single state and local government loved as it drove property tax collections higher along with all the "GDP" from building said homes, selling said homes, running title work on said homes, collecting transfer tax stamps on the deeds, commissions collected by Realtors and then spent in the economy and similar.

How many people who suborned or made knowingly-false statements on those loans went to prison?  Zero.

How many bankers who, I remind you, on multiple occasions were caught on tape or in emails stating that the securities they were selling as "good credit" were in their opinion vomit went to prison?  Zero.

But for those bogus claims that these were "money good" securities how many would have been sold?  Probably pretty damn close to zero if not zero.  The "excuse" that the buyers were "skilled market participants" is irrelevant to whether the representations made were knowingly or recklessly false.  They were.

It is now floating around that one of the hedge funds that was in the center of assembling and peddling this garbage in the run-up to 2008 is at it again, this time in the AI space.  Is what they're doing now illegal whether "in name only" or otherwise?  I have no idea; at present these are (best as I can determine) correlations and claims, not known facts.  Of course if it all blows up in the everyone's face and whacks your stock portfolio by half or more again, as it did the last time, do you think anyone will be investigated and go to jail for their part in it?

Why would you ever believe that given the relatively-recent -- oh, last 20 or so years -- of history?

How about illegal immigration?  How many millions of people have flowed across our southern border even though they know it is against the law, and why have they done so?

That's simple: Nobody goes to jail for doing it, being involved in it, promoting it or even directly assisting it unless you stuff said people into a trailer and a truck and then said people come rolling through a regular entry point.  Then people get arrested.

But if the same people cross outside of a regular border entry point, even with assistance, nobody goes to jail.


Not the people doing it nor the people employing those who come here illegally and those who assist them.

Indeed we even stick said people into what were high-class hotels in places like NYC which they then trash as they have no reason not to: They have no respect for the property of others -- which they demonstrated by entering illegally in the first place -- and no expectation they'll be held accountable for destroying said property and thus that's exactly what they do just like the people crapping on the street and destroying property in Casper!

How about the purveyors of various nostrums that prove worthless and worse, the people making them gamed the trials and that is later very clear?  Who remembers "you won't get the virus if you take this" claims?  Who made the claims and why were they not prosecuted when it was proved the claims were false?  Remember that Dr. Birx herself admitted on the record that her claims were "aspirational"; that is, she had no evidence and she knew it at the time but she hoped it would be true.  Yet off she walked into the sunset with all of her money and property, as did Fauci, and in fact so have thus far all the pharmaceutical makers.  That's not their first rodeo in this regard either and all of it stems from the same root cause!

Is this the only such instance?  Nope.  How much has Pfizer and other pharmaceutical firms paid in fines over the last couple of decades?  Some of those are criminal -- yet have those fines deterred behavior?  Obviously not if further similar conduct happened again, right?  It doesn't take much looking around to realize that the conduct certainly did not stop in 2012, as evidenced by the continuing stream of fines and penalties.

What do you think Burisma and related items was about?  Money.  Nobody gave a damn about the people in Ukraine and they still don't.  The defense contractors all love the money, the evidence is that millions went to the Biden family directly, during Joe's time as Vice-President we deliberately and willfully interfered in and helped foment Maidan, an actual shooting-included overthrow of the government, which led directly to the now-current war and thus our nation, including both parties in Congress and our current Administration not only were involved in it eight years ago they still are to this day.

Essentially everything wrong with our society today comes down to the same point: Laws are meaningless unless enforced, and the reason we have laws is that there is a decent percentage of the population that will use every possible advantage, fair or foul, to get ahead defined as taking money from other people.  If the means are fair then voluntary exchange it is and that's all to the good -- but if they're foul then the law is supposed to be evenly enforced against all, no matter the size of the scam or the power of the people running it, both putting a stop to it and imprisoning those doing it.

Without the law to constrain said people that is actually enforced those who care only for money will take everything they can get and do not care if they ruin your life, property or even kill you outright in their pursuit.

It is not that they're trying to kill you it is that they simply do not care if you live, die, are impoverished, or are sold something that is defective, never delivered at all or have your life and/or property destroyed as a result of their actions.

They care for one thing and one thing only: Personal benefit for themselves, everything else be damned.

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Cmoledor 2k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2023-09-06 07:57:51

I often wonder if the world would in fact be better off if the. U. S. did disappear. Yeah corruption and scams are not unique to our nation, not even close. But damn we sure have exported much death and grift. Maybe Im just overly dark and jaded today. Whatever. Thanks for discussing these things Karl. I know these pages opened my eyes quite a bit. Hopefully that pattern holds until all are awake.

The whole world is one big fucking scam
Full throttle till the end. Ocdawg
Take the stick you tried to beat me with and go fuck your own face. Ishmael
Ronniemcghee 496 posts, incept 2012-07-28
2023-09-06 07:57:51

It's as if we collectively expunged the superego from society ...

Leaving what behind?
Prof_dilligaf 552 posts, incept 2021-09-02
2023-09-06 07:57:51

How long is it before you've trained every driver on the road, effectively, that they no longer need to turn their head and look before changing lanes?[/Q}

Last March.
Mikeyjm2 174 posts, incept 2011-10-20
2023-09-06 07:57:51

I think it goes beyond simply loving money to the exclusion of any concern for fellow humans. In some cases at least, I think there are people who crave power because it gives them the ability to control others. It's an ego thing for that type of person. Granted, the power does lead to money, but I'm not convinced that the money is their primary motivation. Sociopaths can become powerful and rich once they learn how to manipulate (control) people. I'll leave out any discussion of whether or not that constitutes 'evil' because I don't know. I do know though that when I encounter a person like that in meat space I do my best to avoid them, if not actively undermine them.
Rebbepete 33 posts, incept 2009-03-03
2023-09-06 07:57:51

"Alexis de Tocqueville" wrote..
Despotism may govern without faith, but liberty cannot. Religion is much more necessary in the republic which they [Americans] set forth in glowing colors than in the monarchy which they attack; and it is more needed in democratic republics than in any others. How is it possible that society should escape destruction if the moral tie be not strengthened in proportion as the political tie is relaxed? and what can be done with a people which is its own master, if it be not submissive to the Divinity?

The root cause here is deeper than enforcement, since civilization cannot exist unless a high proportion of the population, and their governing authorities, are law-abiding, submitting to the moral authority of God.

Although the way up leads through the valley,
It is only through the trials in the valley
That we appreciate the heights
Winder 173 posts, incept 2016-02-15
2023-09-06 07:57:51

Re illegals

Walking to my gate at IAH yesterday. 3 women, 5 or 6 young children, no men walking in front of me. No luggage, jabbering in Spanish. They all had plastic binders, couldnt really see what was written on them. Obviously Honduran or Guatemalan.

On their way to some city near you. Whos paying for that plane ticket? How did they get through customs? Are those kids up to date on their shots?

I see a group like this virtually every time I walk through IAH.

We are being invaded and our government is the facilitator.
Dcsleeper 627 posts, incept 2012-10-11
2023-09-06 07:58:00

Welcome to the ThunderDome!

Anarchy rules. get on with it.
Unwashed 113 posts, incept 2023-06-23
2023-09-06 08:32:44

My wife's' grandmother who legally immigrated here from Belgium, worked and did what she had to do, which was Cater to the whims of the rich in Manhattan. She ran errands, took care of their personal needs, etc. One day she was telling me how much these people were worth, an insane amount, She finally asked them how much money do they need and why keep doing it. They told her is wasn't about the money, it was about power, the intent isn't always about money.

Greenacr 896 posts, incept 2016-03-15
2023-09-06 08:54:49

"Essentially everything wrong with our society today comes down to the same point: Laws are meaningless unless enforced"

Unfortunately, we are at a point in our history where laws are selectively enforced by those in power that seek more money/power/control. J6 is a good example of this. BLM riots and is cheered. J6 participants (even those who barely stepped foot in the capital..... are hammered.

Dingleberry 831 posts, incept 2011-11-06
2023-09-06 08:56:51

Laws without consequence are not laws.

The big guys have known this for decades.

The little guy is catching on now, too.

And side note.....those little guys swarming over the border all come from cultures were graft, scams and bribes are the NORM, and have been for centuries. China, south of the border, mideast, matter....all corrupt pits which eventually leads to tyranny. They don't change simply coming across the border. But most natives are apparently good with this, judging by the popular "vote".

One is either a globalist or nationalist.

To be a nationalist is to be "wayciss" nowadays (what a PR job that was by the PTB), so there goes your laws and borders (i.e. your nation). You will increasingly be ruled (either overtly or otherwise) by those who barely speak English and are not even US citizens, be it with political or economic chains.

Then throw in the continual degradation of our currency which undermines anything and everything. An insidious cancer. Mostly due to the (m)asses wanting their free piece of the pie, too. Including the illegals flooding in. Seems like the hood rats and karens are none too pleased with their new foreign neighbors in their demcrap utopias. Thieves don't like to share. May they be overrun with rivers of feces.

Hope the cheap tomatoes are worth it. The shoddy (but cheap!) construction jobs are worth it. And so on.

Of course the REAL price is always paid. And with interest. We are all paying it now. And will only get worse. As it must.

Bring on the inflation. Bring on the misery index. Bring on high unemployment. Bring on stock market crash. Bring on high crime and lawlessness.

It's what this degenerate, godless, selfish, undisciplined and infantilized nation deserves.

Ocdawg 494 posts, incept 2019-03-14
2023-09-06 09:00:28

Karl- YES... spot on

Maybe the question we should be asking: who do you TRUST? Nothing will happen unless a worthy person/ group that people BELIEVE in rises above the fray.

Biden? smiley (obligatory Wed laugh)
McCarthy? Nope.
Rand? Come on.
Cruz? ...ehhh...
Jordan? Blow me
USSC? Bought and paid for.
Tucker? Elon's got him.

The "People"? Sheeple gonna 🐑

Corruption- it's what's for breakfast in Amerika

Sooooo... where/who/when? Until then, let me get back to that awesome view...


The quest for the Three-peat begins...


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Spanky 226 posts, incept 2011-03-22
2023-09-06 09:38:43

As I tell my wife regularly, everyone is running a scam. It goes all the way up to the Biden Crime Family. It goes all the way down to the shoplifter. The legal system has been weaponized against the law abiding, to protect the scammers. If you aren't running a scam (like actually paying at retail stores in CA) you're a sucker. Because of our faith and desire to benefit society, we remain suckers, and always will. Where does it end? Do vigilantes start shooting the smash-and-grab criminals? When do the righteous get fed up? Dark times ahead.

I had a friend tell me he learned one thing from COVID, that the medical system, including his doctor's, doesn't care about him. I had to tell him; it's not just the medical system, no institution cares about you, you are merely a mark to be scammed for money.
Nelstomlinson 961 posts, incept 2011-12-21
2023-09-06 09:39:03

To be a nationalist is to be "wayciss" nowadays

If you aren't wayciss, you're a fool, and a loser. Worse than an infidel, too.

Jesus was racist. Go thou and do likewise, Christian.
Dingleberry 831 posts, incept 2011-11-06
2023-09-06 10:06:22

@ Unwashed,

Correct. I saw a documentary long ago with the uber wealthy. Money was not a factor to them, only bragging rights and power. Egos unleashed to the max. Who had the biggest yacht, and so forth.

Hence why some of them are pushing unprofitable woke shit, as if they are some messiahs out to convert us. They view us all as the great unwashed needing to be saved from ourselves. My brother met a billionaire once (I never have). The billionaire refused to acknowledge his existence or presence.

Disney and Hollywood, etc. could print money if they wanted....they know how. They know what sells. Easily.

Or they could call me, and I will tell them for a small 7-fig consulting fee.

They choose to force the opposite on our culture, like they are prophets for Satan himself.
Ewtnewbie2 298 posts, incept 2021-09-13
2023-09-06 10:39:22

We are in the Fall of Rome 2.0
We plan on doing it bigger and better, so this should be quite the sh!t show!!!
Plan accordingly and enjoy the slide back to the Dark Ages.
Mjeff87 3k posts, incept 2021-11-22
2023-09-06 11:14:20

Painkiller....a six part docudrama on Netflix. It perfectly illustrates @Dingleberry's and Karl's points. You want to watch something to make you mad enough to want to throw shit at your television? Watch it. The ending made me want to puke.

Si Vis Pacem, para Bellum

You'll get less than you desire, but more than you deserve
Ocdawg 494 posts, incept 2019-03-14
2023-09-06 11:14:29

Slightly OT... but... came across this again... ever read Quigley, "The Evolution of Civilizations An Introduction to Historical Analysis"? Fascinating and KD (as well as TF) cover many of these topics daily!

"Quigley examines the application scientific method to the social sciences. He poses a division of culture into six levels, from the more abstract to the more concrete intellectual, religious, social, political, economic and military.... He tests these hypothesis by a detailed analysis of five major civilizations: the Mesopotamian, the Canaanite, the Minoan, the classical, and the Western. Quigley defines a civilization as "a producing society with an instrument of expansion." A civilization's decline is not inevitable but occurs when its instrument of expansion is transformed into an institution.

... he identifies seven stages of historical change for all civilizations: mixture, gestation, expansion, conflict, universal empire, decay and invasion.

I wonder what stage the US is in???? smileysmileysmiley ...<sarc>...

The quest for the Three-peat begins...

Orangecrush 176 posts, incept 2018-09-29
2023-09-06 11:21:31

Regarding giving money/goods to panhandlers:

Back in the 90's I spent 5 years working for a business in the downtown of a small city. There was a regular stream of bums begging around the area. Usually they would accost employees or customers in the parking lot, but a few were so brazen as to walk inside and ask for money.

Thankfully the owner of the company had a policy that he would buy a beggar lunch in exchange for some menial labor (such as sweeping the sidewalk or parking lot). I would estimate we had 100+ different bums approach during the 5 years I was there, exactly ONE took the owner up on the offer and was rewarded with a McDonald's value meal. The rest just got pissed off when we would not give them cash.

As far as I am concerned do-gooder bleeding hearts who give money to these bums (which I see happen regularly at intersections in my area) are doing nothing but enabling bad choices. You might as well hand them a bottle of Everclear, a 40oz malt liquor, or a baggie of heroin.

Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-09-06 11:22:30

That's what they're going to buy with it anyway so.... Yep.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Inspectrcalahan 822 posts, incept 2021-01-15
2023-09-06 11:37:48

It was common back in late 60s early 70s when on a delivery I could pick up a bum from the corner offer $5 for 15 minutes of hard labor. I also told them if they did well we would get a Big Mac too. Did this all over the southeast . Bum isnt being negative here, it was just their title. Wouldnt try that now.
Dji 1k posts, incept 2009-04-21
2023-09-06 11:37:54

My reply to all the panhandlers/beggars of money when I worked in SHITCAGO was...I got a job and I am fucking broke why don't you get one.

Don't be a bag holder-Me

What goes up Must come Down- Alan Parsons Project
Neal 385 posts, incept 2014-01-09
2023-09-06 11:39:13

There is a third vice that the bums that TG offered food to want cash for is gambling. Until July I was working security in a suburban pub. Regularly had groups of homeless and/or addicts come in to play poker machines. They get the money from begging, from prostitution and especially welfare. All 3 can be cracked down on in a moral society.
And they dont want a bit of TGs steak, why should they when the bleeding heart charities had pick ups from hotels and restaurants of excess gourmet food that they would deliver to the homeless. Having done security in a public plaza years ago where the homeless gathered late at night I saw these deliveries and saw how the bums were regularly eating stuff I couldnt afford doing 12 hour shifts. Money they didnt have to spend on food meant extra money for booze and drugs and gambling.
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-09-06 11:41:52

@Dji - I lived in ShitCongo before it was ShitCongo (late 80s and 1990s) and there were bums all over the place -- but they didn't shit on the street. They DID beg.

When I was a wage slave and long before I went carnivore it wasn't uncommon for me to have an unopened bag of Doritos in-hand while headed to the office, in my trench coat (in spring/fall/winter) with suit underneath. I routinely offered it to those who claimed to be "hungry, can you spare a few bucks?"

NOT ONE ever took it, despite that bag being fairly close to a day's caloric requirement (yeah, its shit food, but its food.)


Hungry eh? Yeah, hungry for a bottle or a fix, but not hungry for food.
Fuck that shit.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Edwardteach 386 posts, incept 2021-05-01
2023-09-06 12:45:55

Let me simplify it for you:

The progressive Left recognizes no moral authority other than themselves.
Once you realize that, you need to come to terms with the reality that continuing to co-exist with them is impossible.

Know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with until you understand who's in ruttin command here.
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