The idea that, in the early stages of pregnancy, all that exists in the womb is an amorphous blob of cells, is a fallacy. Cell differentiation and specialisation begin long before the woman even suspects she is pregnant.
From the moment of conception a dynamic process is set in motion. There is nothing random about it. It's all in the DNA.

Why are the special interest groups, e.g. the pharma, Satanic cults, and maybe few others, who have a vested interest in dead babies, allowed to continue with their criminal acts?

Is the country going to let self-serving devils determine the outcome of our debates for good of the whole society?

Who is behind the deployment of Antifa intimidating the Justices of SCOTUS?

Are we, as a nation, going to allow the illegitimate administration of FJB to continue with the intimidation of SCOTUS?

Are we, as a nation, going to allow the illegitimate "Ministry of Truth" of FJB to ban peaceful debates in the country?

Just some interesting statistics I perused today. Thirty-three percent of legal abortions are performed on a part of the population that makes up 12.1%. Of that specific 12.1% population makeup, they represent over 33% of the incarcerated population. In one specific Mid-West city, this population group makes up 29% of the city's population but represents 76.1% of victim/assailant according to jackass.com.

Statistics can be used to solidify any point, but one startling fact is this segment of the population has been a ward of the government for going on three generations. Many cannot remember ever having a two-parent household. The results of the law of unintended consequences. And that does not saw well of the majority population as it appears to be following. What I see is a bright spot with the Hispanic/Immigrant population. But will society collapse before that population can find its power and voice?

@Hapie

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Why are the special interest groups, e.g. the pharma, Satanic cults, and maybe few others, who have a vested interest in dead babies, allowed to continue with their criminal acts?

See my tagline. They run the country.

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Is the country going to let self-serving devils determine the outcome of our debates for good of the whole society?

Yes. See my tagline. Cowards.

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Who is behind the deployment of Antifa intimidating the Justices of SCOTUS?

The degenerate Satanists and perverts that have run our society for 100 years.

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Are we, as a nation, going to allow the illegitimate administration of FJB to continue with the intimidation of SCOTUS?

Yes. FBI is nothing more than the mall cops for the Ruling Class. If anyone doesnt believe that by now, their commitment to stupidity is impressive.

Watch. More airplay and law enforcement resources will have been deployed for AOC pretending to be in the crossfire of Jan 6, than the doxxing and intimidation of federal judges (an actual enumerated crime under US law). FBI won't do ****. Even if Clarance Thomas is straight up assassinated in broad daylight, nothing will happen to the larger group. Only if the perp turns himself in will anything happen, and then no linkage will be made to the larger problem.

Now, White Supremacy....

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Are we, as a nation, going to allow the illegitimate "Ministry of Truth" of FJB to ban peaceful debates in the country?

Judging by 2020-present, absolutely, so long as the stonk market is up, housing appreciates, jobs are plentiful, porn can be streamed, and virtue signaling is ubiquitous, we won't do jack **** about any of this.

Obedience is an excuse for cowardice.

Picture what the debate would look like if David Duke had a press conference with those statistics and said he is changing to a pro-abortion stance for those reasons.


Heads exploding across the nation with the biggest case of cog-dis in world history...

regardless of the right/wrong argument... When I read there have been 62 million abortions post-Roe, the first thing to enter my mind was to wonder 'how many Einsteins or MLKs, etc...'

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Imagine if employers lost a significant chunk of women for their labor force.

Half the productivity at twice the price, or something like that.

I've often wondered if the lack of productivity across the board is why the border is wide open right now.

One of the reasons for promiscuity is that there are few repercussions for the act.
If she gets knocked up and has the kid then the government gives her welfare. And if she wants to kill the unborn then there are few restrictions.
Now one of the reasons given for both abortion on demand and for the welfare is rape. It is easy to argue that a girl who willingly has sex should bear the financial/emotional consequences of her actions. But a******victim is different.
And thus******is used by the pro abortionists as justification for both abortion on demand and for welfare for single sluts.
When Roe V was passed (1973) there was no way to truly determine if a pregnancy was due to rape. Now with DNA testing there is.
So if a female wants an abortion due to******then she should make a sworn statement and then the aborted material taken for DNA testing.
And if a******victim wants government welfare to help her raise the baby then again the sworn statement and DNA test the newborn.
Make it a minimum 10 years in the slammer for when the rapist is caught.
Such would result in removing all but the medical reasons (ectopic pregnancies etc) as a justification for 99% of easy access abortions. It would also cut the welfare bill we taxpayers fork out for others sex lives.
And it would achieve exactly what our hosts ponders, a huge drop in dumb ****s screwing as the consequences would be sluts not having uncle sugar taxpayer paying for yet more ghetto/trailer/section 8 trash to be born AND as the slut needs someone to pay for any kid (or be the legal justification for a******abortion) then the guys will keep it in their pants ( the bitch names you as the baby daddy and its 18 years of child support and if she gets an abortion then sometime in the future odds are your DNA will be sampled and you get 10 years of arse pumping in the slammer).

Anything put forward and defended with billions over time likely feeds into pushing the fascist system that has emerged over the past 90 years. The fascists use the term fascist to describe their opponents. Fascism is corporate socialism, which uses their science and force on the people. People become pawns in the game and disposable.

I think the last what if hit the nail on the head. No kids, more labor, no extra costs. No extras for schools, medical, basic support, a deeper labor pool with women available for work instead of kids. Absent parents delivers kids to a fascist school system with billions to mold brainwashed order takers.

What has parallelled the time frame of Roe being in place? Mass immigration. Why does it happen? Shortage of labor. A grown man or woman comes into the US, all the costs associated with raising a working unit paid somewhere else. All the schooling and medicine was paid elsewhere along with the 20 years or so it takes to get them to majority. Plus, most are cheap to feed.

I read a fair amount of LaRoache stuff years ago. One thing I remember was the costs associated with creating a raised person. It was sizable, even in a developing country. Cut out the costs and import, just like in manufacturing. Get you labor from Central America, your computer people from India, your doctors whereever. Corporatize all of it.

Why the trans push? Abortion push. Green push. You don't have it, they don't have to provide it. We are headed to feudalism. The fascists are now NAZI's. Those who push back are called what the opposition is.

Note, it is als a growing business to abort grown people at around age 65, when retirement funds and medical are needed. How many years will the jabs take off. Hitler was into medical science for a variety of purposes. It all likely came out of the corporate state behind him. They survive and live here today.

@Dbigkahuna: Who says it was unintended?

My impulse control was greatly interrupted by youth, a fair amount of scotch and the presense of a woman that was ready to go. I have developed a like to and want to differentiation. Sleep with enough witches, you gain perspective. Mickey Gilley said the girls all get prettier at closing time. From experience, my give a damn got lost.

I am wondering if the COVID vaxx will achieve what all other measures could not. To wit - infertility for those of child bearing age - both men and women.

No one will know if that is the case until the data begins to show it.

Infertility would be a mid to long term consequence of the COVID vaxx should that be one of the adverse reactions/ consequences. God Help Us if that is so.

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When my neighborhood was first incorporated (1903), it was stated that nobody of the "negro" race was allowed to live here. Consequently, to this day it's a very nice place to live.

Joan said the quiet part out loud. Looking at the crime statistics by race it would be hard to disagree.

When I was a kid, there was the Pill. And rubbers. And the whispered about Back Alleys. Then Roe came along and overrode state laws.

Yeah, so what if Alabama outlaws abortion? Go to Georgia or Mississippi or Tennessee. Go to NYFC or California where they (seem) to allow abortion all the way to birth. Get in that Chevrolet and see the USA!

Anyway. When I was younger, yeah, "save it for the honeymoon". And if you did knock her up, you'd best man up and be proposing marriage before she started to show. That's the way it was.

The divorce laws need to change.

Welfare needs to change. Yeah, I know folks actually need help once in a while.

But paying extra per child if there is no husband/dad around is not right. Ain't no reason to be having six kids running around without a daddy just because you get a bigger welfare check. I don't care what color you are. Call it two kids and that's all the welfare money you get.... and maybe a bunch of kids will have a daddy.

I hadn't considered the teen aspect of this. While adults can cross the boarder and get their abortion with relative ease, teens generally can't do that without their parents knowing. So, at the very least, that adds the risk of their parents finding out they got pregnant. And if the teen knows said parents are against abortion and would force her to bring the child to term, that's an even bigger disincentive.

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Now I think about all the sexcapades that took over the broadcast networks starting in the 70s pushing adult themes to younger and younger audiences.

This, I fear, is what will prevent us from getting back to the pre-Roe baseline. The reinstated risk of pregnancy will indeed be a deterrent and drive teen pregnancy rates down to at least some degree, but it's confounded by the normalization of casual sex that's taken deep root in the culture. At this point the idea that sex should be limited to strong committal relationships would probably sound downright unnatural to at least half of the Zoomers. We've created a lot of sex addicts in the adult population, and that's a difficult poison to purge from a society. They're going to keep pushing this in the cultural media, encouraging kids to ignore the risks.

We'll see how the numbers play out. It'd take decades of a strong counter-cultural force to reverse the attitudes toward promiscuity, but passing the issue to the 50 political laboratories is a good step and one that will likely produce measurable results.

Eugenics was a key component of the Progressive movement. Had not WW1 began, Woodrow Wilson himself intended to be a speaker at the planned World Wide Eugenics conference. Eugenics was simply the logical extension of shallow pseudo-scientific academicism assuming (once again) man could play god/cosmic accounts adjuster. Darwin was still fresh and Social Darwinism had become a realist ideology. Trumping that conservatism with even more and "better" up to date science was a feature of progressivism, not a bug.

The full expression of American Eugenics flowered in Germany with the National Socialists. American progressives, meanwhile, had moved on to embrace the sexual conundrums of Freud and/or the class consciousness of Marx. The bravest (or most fool-hardy) not only fouled their digestions with these but attempted to translate what Einstein delivered into social awareness of some sort.

The explosion of American University System and the professionalization of career positions along with the massification of communication media also fed into this need. Progressivism provided an avenue for the well justified muckrakers appalled at the waste of the Gilded Age to become policy wonks and card carrying members of the commentariat that we have today.

Show me a federal abortion ban in the US, Karl, and I'll show you a thriving black market in abortifacients.

Abortions were steadily declining over time long before this---along with live births. By all reliable accounts, even teens aren't as sexually active as they used to be.

Why are birth rates so low?

1. Children are no longer farm equipment or pension plans. They're pets, and extremely expensive pets at that.

2. Even sex has a lot more competition in the mindless entertainment racket.

The wonder is that anybody with an IQ above Fahrenheit room temperature has children at all.

I don't know how you reverse that, short of destroying industrial civilization. I am sure overturning Roe won't cut it.

WTF does "reeeing" mean?

Had a good friend who had at least two abortions in her late teens/early twenties. Move along no bid deal.
Hit her thirties and wanted to settle down and have a family. Didn't want to do the work of finding a decent guy. Hit her forties, no kids, no husband..

actions have consequences

@Franco - Imagine an onomatopoeia of impotent frustrated rage shrieked by a soy filled communist.

Charles Murry, in his book "Coming Apart", noted back in 2012 that unwed mothers are the worst women for their own children, and the worst women for men to get into a relationship with. This is true whether or not they are shacking up with a man, and it is true even when they are shacking up with the father of their illegitimate children.

strong families mean that the 2A will come into full force to protect that family (or it SHOULD)

no quarter given

it is amazing how a statement like " you **** with my kid and I WILL TAKE YOU OUT" is met with shocked looks and silence

there aren't many things left on this rock worth dying or killing for, but my family is one

Single mothers - the scourge of nations. (for those that don't know, dictionary defines scourge as a cause of affliction or calamity)

Get rid of single mothers and every ill that our nations suffers will begin to heal. Then get rid of those who run the media & government (you know who they are) and we can have a utopia here on earth and head out to the stars.

@44dave

While I can't argue with your two points, a civ-nat society as big as ours is going to fail. Your two points will slow the decline, but it will still fail.

Some things have never worked, do not work now, and will never work.

This is a brilliant way to connect the dots. I think you're right that the blue hives, as currently constituted, can only work if abortion on demand is available.

Any system that can only work if babies die isn't worth preserving.

It will be necessary to preserve the Hyde Amendment. Otherwise, people in states that ban abortion would still have to subsidize abortions in states that allow abortion. This would also mean that people (of any race or ethnicity) with poor impulse control will still need to adjust their behavior. They are less likely to be able to afford to travel to other states and then pay a few hundred dollars for an abortion.

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We are much closer to going full on Mad Max than any return to "traditional" values.

If we do go "full on Mad Max", a return to traditional values is going to be the only way to move forward. The blue hive system only appears to work because of accumulated capital and the excess generated by productive people. Take those elements away, and the blue hive nonsense doesn't even work in the short term.

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A great many "what ifs" and most are unlikely to pan out. It may have worked in a racially homogonous America of 75 years ago (and did) but what you'd likely have is lower IQ and more r-selected racial cohorts increasing in number as they'd be getting pregnant and having more children.]

I don't think the issue here is race, because all races and ethnicities respond to incentives and disincentives. That said, it could still be dysgenic. For example, a Black doctor is more likely to respond to incentives than a White with an 85 IQ and poor impulse control.

But it's not as dysgenic as it seems, because the people who respond to incentives are more likely to be the ones who can afford babies at some point in their adult lives.