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2022-05-06 14:03 by Karl Denninger
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How many times have you heard that?

Heard it from your employer with regard to their Covid restrictions?

Or perhaps from "friends" or "family" who said "no jab, no see your grandkids" or something similar?

Well, here's the basic rules folks.

To merit consideration of forgiveness you must do all of the following first with no assurance you'll receive forgiveness in return:

  • Contrition -- which of course requires an admission you ****ed up.  You must admit, not tacitly but deliberately and consciously, communicating it as publicly as your original error -- you were wrong and you did wrong.

  • Restitution for the harm -- when possible. Not always possible, but when it IS possible it has to be proffered voluntarily, not pried out by landsharks or bullets, because if you actually HAVE contrition then you willingly admit you owe the harmed party(s). This is not a matter of punitive retribution; the willful and non-coerced offering of same is THE act that proves #1 is real and not words from the mouth of a snake.

  • A vow and, in the realm of business or political activity, legal and enforceable contractual strictures to prevent it from happening again.

All must be offered willingly and freely, not by legal or other coercion and even if doing so risks legal retribution before any consideration of forgiveness is to be undertaken. Further, all three do not guarantee or obligate forgiveness, but all three are a predicate before the person harmed should consider forgiveness.

So, if you're an employer, what you need to do for the last two years of abuse you heaped upon your employees looks like the following:

A FORMAL STATEMENT that as an employer your mandates were wrong on the facts and wrong ethically and morally.  You did it, you did it willingly, you were wrong, you admit it and you regret it.  This is published just like the virtue-signaling mandate was in the first place.

A FORMAL DOCUMENT TAKING FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL HARM DONE.  No laying it off on others -- unemployment, insurance companies, etc.  Nope.  You own it.  Therefore, if you fired someone not only do you offer them their job back they get paid for every day they didn't work as a result of being fired or suspended, irrespective of whether they got another job or not, and their reinstatement (if they want it) is considered retroactive for purposes of seniority and similar.  If there were employer contributions to retirement the backed-up ones are made.  If the employee was removed from said retirement account the firm eats the cost of reinstating it along with any taxes due or paid to do so.  Further, if the entity mandated, "strongly supported" or in any other way discriminated on basis of taking the vaccines or other mandates the company takes full, legal and financial responsibility for all side effects, period, indefinitely into the future, known and unknown.  If you demoted, otherwise threatened or tampered with someone's position during the last two years over any of this, in short, you own the cost and you pay it -- in cash.  No ifs, ands, buts or weasel-words and no legal releases or confidentiality agreements.  If you get sued later, oh well.  Your best argument in court, if you get sued, is that you already paid restitution and it was fair -- but that's not an agreement you extract for any of this, its an argument for tomorrow and the jury gets to decide.

A FORMAL POLICY STATEMENT THAT GOING FORWARD THE PERSONAL HEALTH DECISIONS OF EMPLOYEES ARE NONE OF THE EMPLOYER'S BUSINESS -- PERIOD.
 
None of this is done with or expecting an agreement that forgiveness will be forthcoming.  Maybe it will -- and maybe it won't.  It doesn't matter.  You're not doing it to get said agreement you're doing it because you ****ed up and you were wrong.  There are no promises on the other side of this.  If you're negotiating for something then what you're doing is striking a bargain and not admitting you ****ed up so if you expect something in exchange you are still a slithering snake and if you meet Mr. Shovel you deserve it.

Simply put if you really mean it the three above items must be provided without any quid pro quo.

The same is true for family members, "associates", firms who abused or harassed customers and more.  In most of those cases there's no real restitution to be made but the other two points still hold whether there is actual money or property to be exchanged or not.  True contrition is never a private thing when the insult wasn't private in the first place and most of the time it was not.  The refusal to allow someone to see their grandchildren was something the grandkids knew about and why, and thus if you're the parent who did that you admit to your children that you were an ******* -- you were wrong and said kids had every right to see Gramps.  If you did this in the context of a business or some personal interaction wherever and however that original insult took place the admission that you were wrong must be equally public to the people in the same place.

No slithering away or trying to act like it never happened.

It did happen, the harms were real, your jackassery was real and thus the contrition has to be real or its meaningless.

If you want those of us who were right to put it behind us then let's see you take public accountability for your actions.

In the fullness of time it has now been proved we were right and you were wrong with regard to masks, lockdowns and jabs, along with much more and every insult you served on us as a result of your wrong beliefs, expectations and actions, if you want us to put it behind us, you must atone for without an expectation we'll be willing to move forward.

In other words you have to do it because you know, and admit, that you were full of crap AND FOR NO OTHER REASON.

If you're not prepared to do then from my point its simple and will remain that way: Piss off.

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Rosalee14
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Many employers don't think that they "fired" anyone. They see it as voluntary, that you quit. This being the reason many could not get unemployment.

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smiley smiley smiley smiley

^ For the unrepentant vunts, that's what they deserve.

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@Rosalee14 - Then **** them with a chainsaw up every orifice they have.

WHEN, not if, the landsharks come you chum the water so they FEAST.

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Yep.

Except, in some instances, forgiveness may only be achieved after citizen tribunals for crimes against humanity. Not guilty, then not guilty. Guilty, then immediate public execution.

How many people were harmed and died because .gov and msm lied about safety and efficacy of the vax? How many babies died, in/out of the womb? How many people died because dissident voices were silenced? How many people will die because they lined up like sheep, injected Trump's goo into their bodies, permanently compromising their immune systems?

I have no room for forgiveness. I vowed to my staff that I would keep them employed and would never shut down; I vowed that the vax would never be required; I vowed that if they got sick I had their back with ample supplies of Vit I, etc. If I could do it, there was no ****ing reason why you couldn't too.

Most of this country is dead to me.
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Ehhhhh... I'm gonna take "Piss off" for $1000 Alex

In my world, I'm talking to less and less people as there's no HINT at contrition... so... **** 'em
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I have a long ****ing memory.

I will not forgive the abuse, attempt to coerce, bully, threaten and harassment.

I will NEVER forget.

NEVER.

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"The past is the past, let's move on," is a tell for a total *******.

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FAT CHANCE!
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Exactly, KD.
This is truly the only path I personally see to forgiveness. Even so, I'll never forget. It's like a trust has been shattered - took a long time to build, but only one mandate to destroy.

I feel such a seething resentment for those who tried to stomp on my civil/human rights, all while trying to destroy me financially for saying 'NO'. Not sure I can ever get past it. As I noted recently, I'll never be a productive employee again for my current company or any who pulled that **** should I work for one in the future.

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And we need to see resignations from all the so-called "leaders" who pushed this garbage by committing the following heinous and grievous acts:

- Inquiring about employees personal health status
- Harassing subordinates about wearing face diapers
- Forcing nose******on some or all employees
- Forcing experimental medical treatments on employees
- Threatening to fire or otherwise punish employees for not allowing their bodies to be raped

And if they don't resign, fire them.

Never forget. Never again.

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I expect a few companies may actually run the numbers on this and figure that it will be wildly expensive.

They are right.

So they won't do it because it "costs too much money". They think it will be cheaper to "do nothing and forget about it".

They are wrong about that.

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@Shadowmask

My boss told me (and others) exactly that in a management meeting last week, almost verbatim. It sealed his fate with me as one of his underlings.

I know some things, because I've seen (and heard) some things.....

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I humbly submit a format for the impending trials...



Bailiff - Has the imperial magistrate reached a verdict?
Magistrate - I have.
Bailiff - Guilty or innocent?
Accused - Spare me this mockery of justice!
Bailiff - I repeat, guilty or innocent?
Magistrate - Innocent.
Bailiff - Feed him to the Sharkticons.

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What companies fail to recognize is that as long as they don't admit error, the pure bloods are going to be noncommittal about supporting them. I will tolerate a relationship with an employer if management leaves me alone and allows me to do my job. But knowing that at any moment the company may attempt to coerce me to act contrary to my will, I am not "all in". In fact I have little care for their agenda. I have no loyalty to them, only a contract on terms with which I agree.
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**** those people. Do people that spat at me and called me a cold-blooded murderer--to my face--think that I'm going to forget that ****, or forgive, when no apology or sincerity is provided?

And they wonder why they think 'I've changed'.


Well, I have. You threatened me and my family. Some of these creatures attended church with us.

**** you, your families, and their entire future. Do us a favor, clot up, go to a hospital, get every ****ing dime removed from your bank account by the Mengele complex you so happy cheered for and die a ****ing pauper, alone in your own waste, covered with festering bedsores.

Spare me your hollow apologies. I know who you really are.


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Bill Gates admits on video that covid is no worse than the flu:

https://twitter.com/TheNo1Waffler/status....

Unless you are old or have a comorbidity.

"they" know
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It used to be that employees wanted their company to win new business and keep customers happy. This meant good raises, bonuses, promotions, and job security.

"Good raises and bonuses" largely left after Obamacare.

"Promotions" are gone unless you either a diversity hire or pay homage to leftist politics.

Now "job security" is gone also because your employer can just fire you for refusing to disclose private medical information or for not allowing them to******you with a needle.

As a result, a large number of employees simply don't care anymore. If their company performs poorly, and they get laid off as a result, they will simply go work for the competitor who won the business. And likely get a big raise in the process.

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I'll be surprised if ANYONE even admits they were wrong let alone do any of the items above...
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Well then @Jw. they can **** right off forever. If they die I laugh and might******on their grave.

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In other news that I fully expect to occur right along with El Jeffe's demand, a family of Bigfoots will be showing up this evening for dinner and they will be bringing a case of Dom, filet of venison, very young venison, the directions to a massive stash of gold and jewels and other plunder stashed by the Dread Pirate Roberts in the forests just north of the Bayou, and they will give me the secrets of El Dorado and the fountain of youth.

When they leave a certain cadre of cheerleaders will show up...but you know all that.

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I saw countless versions of the arm posed at 90 degrees, fist made, trying to make a muscle showing off the vex bandaid proclaiming how awesome or badass or some other virtue-signaling nonsense implying they were above those of us who made a different personal choice.

I think my new response to "Let's Move On" is courtesy of @Shadowmask image above:

(I would put the flaming finger here if I knew how, lol)
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Exactly.

It is unreal how many people turned into/out to be monsters over this.

At least there is a silver lining, they have done irreparable harm to themselves and their kids. Something they will have to live with for a very long time err, limited time. And something we will only have to put up with for a short period of time... LOL

I hear this is a run on old smiley with deferred maintenance issues...
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For any Landsharks out there:
My ex-employer does over $80 billion a year in revenue. On its way to grossing $1 trillion over the next decade or so.
They announced their vaxx mandate before POTUS did.
The word circling internally for 2 months or so now is that the decision has already been made at HQ to rescind the vax mandate/passport come summertime. That is to say, while they were going ahead with putting people, such as myself, on leave and the path to separation, they had already discussed and decided that the mandate would be going away at a later date. This is hearsay, but should that in fact happen this summer, would that be useful information to you as you head into discovery?
Lastly, did I mention that they do over $80 billion a year in revenue?
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