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2022-04-28 18:13 by Karl Denninger
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We Are Now At War With Russia
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Good God, I hope everyone in Congress recognizes what this bill, which apparently has now passed and Biden will sign it (seeing as he asked for it directly), means.

Let's recap.  Per our Constitution the military is under civilian control.  That is, the actions of the military, including weapons used by same or suitable for same, are under the control of Congress and The Executive.

Congress must authorize anything that leads to expense, and such must come from The House.  Again, this is basic Constitution stuff.

Now Congress has explicitly authorized, and Biden will sign, this bill that specifically permits the transfer to Ukraine of basically anything other than nuclear material.  Seriously folks -- that's the only real exception found in the referenced definition.

By agreeing to provide direct weaponry that can be and will be used in the waging of war by one of the two parties to same we have entered the conflict.  That our GIs are not directly there is of no consequence.  This is no different than shipping arms to Britain during WWI in the Lusitania or the lend-lease provisions in early WWII that ultimately led us to get involved there in Europe.  Indeed Pelosi directly referenced those early WWII provisions indicating that she knows damn well the implications of what Congress just did.

In fact it was lend-lease of March 1941 that led Hitler to come after the United States; we had entered the war as a belligerent by officially agreeing to supply war material to Britain.

In those two wars there was no realistic means for the Germans or other Axis powers to hit us directly on our own soil.  But they did in fact do that in response when they sunk the Lusitania, which had a bunch of Americans on board.  They could reach that ship, did reach it, and did sink it.  They did so because we were supplying England with munitions.

We claimed at the time we were not, we were lying and that is now established as a historical fact.

The Germans hit a legitimate military target despite our and Britain's claims at the time otherwise.

Today the situation is different.  Russia can hit us here and not just with nukes.  They can hit American assets that are by any reasonable international standard military targets all over the world and that includes military command and control which by our Constitution includes all members and facilities of both Houses of Congress along with the Executive, never mind obvious things like the Pentagon.

I don't think Putin is crazy enough to do it right up front but do not mistake "doesn't" tomorrow morning for "can't" -- the door is open.

Don't kid yourselves folks; such a strike, if it occurs, is entirely legal from an international law perspective under the laws of war.  It is legitimate for a belligerent to strike the military elements, direct and indirect, of an entity supplying its opposing military.

We are now a belligerent in this conflict having crossed the line when we went from providing food, medical assistance and similar to military goods and the definition in this act does not draw a distinction, not that there really is one that is internationally recognized in the first place, between offensive and defensive arms.

There was some dispute whether we have already done that, of course -- particularly as regards whether we were the enabling intelligence and actionable information that led Ukraine to be able to hit certain things thus far.  But up until now there was reasonable plausible deniability to our actions.

NOT ANY MORE; this is not implicit or hidden at all, it is IN YOUR FACE, public, and with no apologies or weasel-words.

Again folks: As of this point in time we are now a belligerent in the Ukraine-Russian conflict.

PS: If you think I'm supporting either side of this corrupt jackwad brigade -- nope.  Hard pass.  You want to fight Russia go pick up a rifle yourself.  I've got no cock in this fight and neither does any honest American.

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What a complete cluster****. I hope all the idiots marching behind the cadaver in chief get nuked.

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Putin and Lavrov both have made very succinct and warning statements in the last two days against such interference. Next, Poland will be invading. These maniacs want this to happen, They have no cards left to play to continue their ruse,
so they will keep poking the Bear even more . They must think this will save them in the mid-terms that, and their hatred of Russia. They are just itching to get back in there to continue their looting operation.

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May the first nuke hit DC while the warmongers are there. They have no problem sending someone elses kid to be killed.

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Today I read Biden wants to send $33 billion to the Ukraine on top of what we already sent. He and other congressmen are probably being blackmailed - Send us what we ask or we spill your secretscapeesh? Now, send us the ****ing money!!!

All of this pussyfooting around is beyond me. Sending anti tank missile secret training taking place, sharing intelligence. Pretty ****ing unbelievable. Not good, and remember, China is on Russias side. If you thought we had supply chain issues now, you aint seen nothing yet.

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Everything comes full circle given enough time. I need to go find a school desk to go hide under, again.


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I am fairly ignorant of the Ukraine situation, so my comment here does not have much value. Our actions pretty much leaves Russia with one option to end this, and it means to go all out and complete the invasion of Ukraine. Much like we did in Iraq. There can not be any remnant of the puppet government in Ukraine remaining. I would also recommend the Europeans buy some warm clothes before next winter.
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Glad now I never had kids. After 60 years on this rock I'd say we've seen the best. Maybe if we'd only voted better. (sarc)

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Beyond pissed.....
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Uniparty willing to spend a ton of money and risk WW3.

So what the hell are they trying to keep covered up in Ukraine?
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So sad. For nearly two years our elite destroyed our society,and killed hundreds of thousands in the process. Now they want a military war to go with their war on their own citizenry.

These people are evil. And people includes Biden and all congressional leadership. You know the trolley dilemma? These freaks will run the trolley over anyone and everyone if doing so puts money in their family business and increases the power of the government.

Rest assured, what Biden wants is a justification to persist emergency powers. His administration is addicted to governing without Constitutional constraints.
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****!

Ukraine-Russia is a small regional conflict.

Biden and his friends in Congress (both parties) are blowing it up to epic proportions. One the one hand you have the comic Zelinsky making demands about what he is to be provided, and our senile old food of a president appears to be happy to just keep handing over our money and our weapons with no strings attached.

This is some seriously ****ed up ****.

Remember how they didn't want to maintain a small force in Afghanistan to keep the country together? Too expensive? "We can use the money for other things?" Well all that money is going right into the Ukraine mess to line the pockets of the oligarchs there and here. A lot of very rich people in DC are benefitting from this.

Notice how the "Republicans" are all in on the ukraine nonsense just like they were with covid? Nothing seems to stop the unitary right now. If they take a nuke in their faces during a join session of congress it'll be their own damn fault. And richly deserved.
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Would certainly be interesting if Putin did something dramatic and we had to send in the rainbow flag fighting brigade.

Perhaps the Russian army would finally cave and cower in fear as the merry band of LGTBQWERTY waived their rubber dongers at AK wielding professionally trained troops that just went up against the various nazi factions of Ukraine's fighting forces!

One can only dream...



@ Capcomp, more appropriately, what are they trying to cover up in the USA? Impending food riots, the fact that everything the Dems said during Trumps presidency was misinformation, that the medical industrial complex killed more Americans than WW2, VietNam and the Gulf wars combined, that they would like to suspend elections due to WW3?

Something tells me this isn't only about the corruption in Ukraine.
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Crazy bastards. They won't be satisfied until nukes are going off. Any bets on how long before Russia takes out a US asset like a ship or awac or something?

I hope they all get hit with the first nuke.
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Hope they dont nuke DC, NYC, Miami, and the City of London because that would make me very very sad.

. Today I read Biden wants to send $33 billion to the Ukraine on top of what we already sen..

Keep working, goyim! You got bills to pay

. Glad now I never had kids.

The future belongs to those that show up; and having kids is a part of that. Congrats on being a demoralized dead end

. So what the hell are they trying to keep covered up in Ukraine.

Yeah they Ukes must have MASSIVE blackmail on Biden and his puppet masters - also 33 billion

Ritual Masonic number

.. For nearly two years our elite destroyed our society,and killed hundreds of thousands

They ARE NOT OUR elite and at this point anyone intimating they are is worthy of . sanctioning


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Hoping like hell that the Senate attaches a Title 42 Amendment to this $33B request for Ukraine. I say this not because I think this will kill the aid bill. I say it because I know the bill will pass the ****edup Congress and hopefully that at least something might come from this bill.

Sad thing is that this $33B is only "through Sept".
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Something is strange here.

I remember when Trump campaign advisor (Manifort) got pinched for stealing, in all places, Ukraine.

Then Trump got impeached somehow (still unsure why) about not delivering money to Ukraine due to corruption.

Then the First Son got caught bribing people in Ukraine and "kicking 10% up to the Big Guy".

Then Brandon gets the Ukrainian AG investigating frauds fired or else he withholds American aid.

Then we get the "color revolution" ON TAPE and the US did a literal coup there.

I may have mixed up the timing of the above, but I thought to myself ...."how can so much bull**** come out of that place that is making the news here?" I mean Ukraine is the de facto toilet of Europe, basically part of the third world except it has white people.

Something is wrong here. This is not about saving Ukraine, or stopping Putin. There has to be some sort of backdoor payoff, coverup, something. Ukraine is the place where the connected go to steal with impunity.

Zalensky is a corrupt piece of ****. So is Putin.

Nazis vs commies part two.

Except now we are on the side of the nazis.



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To all the twatters with yellow and blue flag emojis in there title and those with flags on there front lawn, please open all your blinds (especially those facing nearest city) so you can watch the incredible light show celebrating that which you supported and encouraged.

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Gosh Darn you Karl, what a f*cking buzz kill!

I'm beyond words. Right now I'm dealing with some passive/aggressive bull****e with me kid sister, and I'm ready to throw in the towel.

Any ******* out there that doesn't have this issue tattooed on their foreheads and/or tongues is somebody I consider irrelative and unworthy of my time. I figure, I spent about 4/5ths of my average life expectancy on this rock. I'm sorry to see it come to this. Sorry. There's no turning this ship around. "Our" boys are in for ....ALL the marbles.

Yeah, go ahead and tell me about your weapons stash. Maybe your rifles and glocks. We've proven over the past two years that TRUE men and TRUE women are very few and far between.

We suffer, accordingly.

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It wouldn't surprise me to see Putin use a small battlefield tactical nuke or completely cut off Europe from Gas, or both to show that he is serious. It will be at that point that we back down...... as we should as we have no National Interest at stake here.

Wag the Dog.
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Welp, if we're lucky we won't glow. If Ukraine is lucky, some of their people survive. If all those weapons are IN UKRAINE, who will get the worst of it?
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That this Ticker had to be posted on the no ad side tells all that we need to know. They have been lining up the ducks for years and now they are entering the final stage before what will most likely be the deadliest global conflict this world will ever see. The only question that remains is who is the "they" exactly and what is their ultimate end game? It appears like we will get an answer to at least one of those questions.

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What special kind of stupid f*cking co*cksuckers do we have running Washington,AC/DC? Do they not realize that with today's missile technology we are all at risk for a nuclear strike (it wouldn't be one of them, it would be all of them) and they are accurate to within meters of their targets. When Rosenfeld pulled the crap of intervening on the side of the Brits like this bill will do for the Ukrainians, the Germans had no means of directly striking the USA. The Russkies can hit us hard. Our whole country would be desolate like the war criminals Sheridan, Sherman, and Grant left the Confederate States, but with the legacy of years of radiation to deal with for the survivors.
We are about to have hell rain down upon us. The only consolation is that we will be rid of most of the criminal class ruling us.
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Good cure for inflation.

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The worst part is at this point I don't even think they're worried about covering up anything. With all that has come out regarding the various scandals and "conspiracy theories" lately, they don't even care what news comes out. This is just to further their agenda, increase profits for certain companies and owners, reduce the population, etc...
Which seems a lot worse...
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I'm now officially behind on the bomb shelter.

Phuck.

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