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2021-09-08 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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We're Not Serious About Illegal Immigration
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and we never have been.

This includes under President Trump, who claimed he was with his "wall."

Read this article folks.  Then contemplate: How can you stop this in 15 minutes or less?

Because you can.

Ecuadorians typically pay up to $15,000 per person to human smugglers, also known as “polleros,” or chicken herders, to reach the southern border, officials said.

“In debriefs we have found that the going rate for Central Americans ranges anywhere from $8,000 to $12,000, but the farther you go into South America, the price the transnational criminal organizations charge increases from $12,000 to $15,000 per person,” said US Customs and Border Protection public affairs officer Landon Hutchens.

None of these people have $8,000, $12,000 or $15,000.

Not one.

Not one of their families has it either.

The reason they claim they're doing this is that they're broke.  Do you really think they have a MasterCard with a $15,000 cash advance line or the ability to borrow that amount of cash from somewhere when they have zero collateral to put up?

You're not that stupid, are you?

They even admit it when caught:

“There is plenty of work in Ecuador, but they just don’t pay anything,” Carmen said, adding that they were hoping to join cousins in Newark.

So how do you shut it off?

You shut down remittances unless the person sending them (1) is an American citizen and (2) the funds are traceable to legal, taxes-paid (e.g. employment) economic activity.

That's it.

You do that and the entire migration "coyote" scheme ends in one day because there is no way for the coyotes to get paid.

I've pointed this out for years.

The problem is simple to resolve: Shut off the money and the motive for these people to come, and those who exploit those attempting to come, both go "poof."

Until you do that or place our military on the border with live ammunition and orders to shoot anything on two legs that crosses except at a lawful point of entry you had best sit down and shut up when it comes to claiming you want to see this end.

Trump didn't want to see it stop, Biden doesn't, neither does either side of the aisle in Congress and neither do you.

Oh, and let's not forget that the evil Cucksucker Trump knew damn well this would work too.  How?  He threatened to do it, and then refused.  So for the so-called MAGA crowd, sit down and shut up.

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Microbesrus
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The current clown and the previous joker both said they essentially want an endless stream of people coming into this country. This isnt going to ever stop because the real owners of this world dont want it to stop. The same can be said about a number of current events. Its reasonable to stir people up about it, but most dont know how to organize against it in any meaningful way. The ones that do try, probably end up befriending a federal agent.

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Theres no we involved. Its abundantly obvious those in power will do what they want, when they want. What you want is 100% immaterial

Theres simple, tried and true solutions to a great many problems that bedevil America. But destroying the nation, and destroying her original stock are the goals of those that run the institutions and the government

Id also add a 50% tax on all currency transfers out of the country as well, no matter who you are or what citizenship status you have.

You dont like X,Y or Z? Have a simple solution?Well, vote harder next time and see how that works out for you.

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What does it mean to vote harder?
Some percentage of this country believes that the last presidential election was stolen. Do you have the same message for those people who have lost faith in that system?

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@raftermanfmj What other country on earth DOESN'T tax currency transfers?

Our nation could have been a utopia for all of us, instead it ended up a utopia for a few.

It appears the good guys lost. And that's why I'm voting for Collapse. Might as well take the chance.

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Every four years we get to vote for hope and change.
Nothing ever changes.
The hopes we vote for disappear.
The people who run this place for their benefit carry on.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
I'm going back to voting for gridlock.
Or third parties.
The two party system in a scam.
Parties should be outlawed.
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Other than exposing the depths of the deep state, exactly what is it that Trump did for the long-term viability of the United States?

He complained about illegal immigration, but after four years (two of which had a R Congress) almost no border wall was built.
Mikebrandt
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If remittances are stopped the coyotes could move to crypto
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Crypto is traceable and said trace is legally-admissible PROOF.

Once traced you JAIL the sender.

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Quite obvious that our Masters don't want to stem the tide of illegal immigrants. At a minimum the difference is in term of one party wanting an uncontrollable flood of immigrants while the other party wants to meter it some.

Illegal immigration is just being used as another issue (like guns/abortion/etc) to keep us divided and distracted while the country is being looted.
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Can state AGs shut down transfer operations on the basis of license violations? To wit, abetting criminal activity.

Reason: typo
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@Tritumi - For an interstate enterprise it gets interesting. In THEORY they could revoke a business license. This is something that I proposed years ago to deal with the medical monopolists; pass an ordinance that bans the behavior among ALL businesses and condition the business license on same. WHEN they violate it, yank their ticket and chain the doors.

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When Obama was pulling his Asylum bs, we discussed this on the board. Stop these people from remitting money or tax the hell out of each remittance killing the justification for working here to send money back. All tax money then is used for border security until we don't need it anymore.
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At what point do they go back because staying here becomes tenuous at best? When things get bad, there will be a mark on people not from here.

Same as would happen if I was in another country.

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One of my neighbors has family that are in the United States illegally. She goes on and on about the rights of illegals and how these folks should be treated the same as US citizens. They work hard, they are responsible and contributing members of the community, and they pay their fair share of taxes.

One day I asked if she locks the doors of her home and, if so, why does she do that. Shouldn't anyone be allowed to wander through her home and take whatever strikes their fancy? HaHa. She was indignant! Absolutely not and hell no! Why of course she locks her doors. She would be stupid not to do so.

What then is the difference between an unlocked home - welcome and take whatever you want - and an unlocked national border. (This is Lesson Number 219 on how to******off your neighbors.) She shut her mouth right quick and never raised the issue again. Yeah right. Thought so.
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currency transfers also keep people alive in those countries

Maybe Trump didn't want to hurt people , EVIL TRUMP !
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Augeries wrote..
It appears the good guys lost. And that's why I'm voting for Collapse. Might as well take the chance.

It's the only vote that's made sense for years, if not decades. The sooner the majority understand this, the quicker we can begin to recover what's not scorched. And the longer the majority do NOT understand this, the less there will be to recover.
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How about we actually try and convict C-Suites and Boards of Directors for hiring these illegal mooches? In addition to changes in remittances. Freeze their assets and strip their corporate charter.

Corporations were never meant to exist for life. It's amazing to me that we've lost sight of one of the major reasons for the Revolution: The British East India Company.
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Susanlauren wrote..
One day I asked if she locks the doors of her home and, if so, why does she do that. Shouldn't anyone be allowed to wander through her home and take whatever strikes their fancy? HaHa. She was indignant! Absolutely not and hell no! Why of course she locks her doors. She would be stupid not to do so.

More concerning to me is having neighbors like that. Totally destroys any semblance of OPSEC.

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They are not going back, it is hard to have a legitimate business when you have to compete with (hard working) criminal group that is not posecuted by TPTB.

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I ****ing love you Karl!!! Your writing and ability to see through smoke are pretty damn admirable. You ****ing rock!! And pretty accurate to boot.

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Here is the simple reality. 10,000 men at the border with good rifles and permission to fire with zero consequences will shut it down in a week or less. Add air support and the time is reduced to three days or less.

Add in walls, land mines, drone strikes, and you're done. No more incursions. Invite everyone here illegally to leave. Seize all their assets and kick them out.

If Mexico protests then fly a squadron of B-52s with fighter cover over their cities once as a warning, and invite the President of Mexico to STFU.

Problem, SOLVED.
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Sorry, I'm still learning this system and lost track of who I'm responding to. Apologies...
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Corporations were never meant to exist for life. It's amazing to me that we've lost sight of one of the major reasons for the Revolution: The British East India Company.

Exactly. No use thinking that getting rid of governments would solve all our problems. Corporations are now supranational entities with eternal life. CJ Hopkins calls it GloboCap - the entire global-capitalist system acting as a single entity regardless of nationality. Once the corps got big enough, nations became irrelevant, hence the government covid lockstep we've seen regardless of what country you live in.

If you want to have nightmares for a few nights (I did!), read CJ's novel, Zone 23, to see one logical conclusion of GloboCap dominance could be.
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so simple even a caveman could do it.
Thanks for pointing this out to me, I had not thought of that!!
Sincerely, cletus n clovis.
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@Rafterman

Why are you trying to screw over people with legitimate transfers with a 50% tax? I think Karl's proposal was fair enough.

Maybe you should have a family member stranded in another country or needing emergency services overseas. Maybe I want property in another country.


That money belongs to the people that honestly earned it. If they broke no laws earning it and support no crime then people should shut the hell up.

It's not your money. It is not your property. This is what I would expect from Nazis and totalitarians.

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