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Vernonb
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Thanks Karl for echoing the sentiments I expressed earlier on previous posts.

All this **** is starting to remind me of the Harkonnen heart plugs from Dune where they instantly end your life. This time however it is a setup for a potential slow kill bioweapon.

China and the rest of our enemies are lusting for the spoils after a decimated American populace.

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Kokobeware
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Some truly depressing stories above :(

After several long discussions with my relative (head ER doc @ a major metro hospital), it's pretty obvious that hospitals / health care centers are profit centers 1st and foremost and designed to extract wealth. He told me that he remains in the game because he needs the money. He's divorced and pays substantial alimony. Otherwise, he would've quit over a decade ago. He said the "patients" are nothing more than cattle to the admins.
Tsherry
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Very sorry for your loss, Grumpytree.

I'm sad to know that we will see more of this. Soon.
Themortgagedude
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I honestly don't have a problem with schools requiring vaccination or airlines requiring vaccination. But then all of a sudden you realize that these same schools are benefitting from government dollars or are actually state run schools. At this point it seems the government is mandating behaviour. This really crosses the line for me. It's time for "The Squickening".

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Raftermanfmj
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My employer announced on Monday that there is NO mandate to take the vaccine. This is good for me because I no longer face explaining to the wife why I'm quitting a six-figure job over this issue. I suspect the subject of Karl's post played some role in that decision.

Why on earth would you quit?! Get fired, collect UE and move forward with lawsuits - wrongful dismissal for one

Make them fire you

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Tickerguy
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Yep.

I originally said this bull**** was a lot of saber-rattling and nothing else, simply because THE LAW on EUAs is clear: Coercion cannot be applied; the EUA ITSELF relies on it being voluntary.

Most states have quite-strong legal strictures, including criminal penalties in some cases, related to any entity within a given state attempting to coerce an employee or other person to violate any federal law. These laws exist generally for anti-corruption purposes but they quite-arguably apply here, and often come with felony criminal penalties, not just civil judgement exposure.

Now what sort of actual recourse you have in those statutes is unclear, of course, since we all know the cops only arrest CERTAIN people. But that the law itself applies and thus the exposure exists is very real.

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Blackcrow
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@Karl - did you post this study from Italy?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32619843....

Yup, it is all over the patient care areas.

@Njca - Cancer patients are not pretreatment immunocompromised. Their immune systems are actually working very hard to try to kill the cancers. The cancer cells fight back and express PDL1 on their surfaces which in turn inactivates the immune cells trying to kill the cancer. That is the basis of immuno-oncology which has revolutionized the treatment of many cancers that were formerly dismal to awful.

We do lympho-deplete cancer patients with many treatments, either as our supportive care or direct cytotoxicity. We focus on the cancer but we have zero insight into an immunotolerance situation moving forward and that is a fascinating idea really.

What happens when we hijack their immune systems to make all these anti spike monoclonal antibodies? What impact will that have downstream on cellular immunity, ie our lymphocytes, macrophages, memory-B cells? The are already getting anti-PDL1 antibodies as part of their cancer treatments. What is the interaction there at the level of the FcReceptors on their immune cells? Will that interfere with their covid response or their cancer response?

No one has any idea and the answer from ASCO is vaccinate everybody.

Like I said - a religious mania.

Njca
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@Blackcrow, You may have missed my immunology joke, so here goes:

An immunologist and a cardiologist are kidnapped. The kidnappers threaten to shoot one of them, but promise to spare whoever has made the greater contribution to humanity. The cardiologist says, Well, Ive identified drugs that have saved the lives of millions of people. Impressed, the kidnappers turn to the immunologist. What have you done? they ask. The immunologist says, The thing is, the immune system is very complicated And the cardiologist says, Just shoot me now.

Many moons ago I ran an immune tolerance research project, where I treated mice with cyclophosphamide, or a T cell depleting antibody, and an extremely immunogenic protein preparation. Complete tolerance to the protein in the treated mice, even post-immune reconstitution to challenge protein - enduring tolerance, versus a whopping immune response in the untreated control mice. Fast forward to today, and transplanters are using cyclophosphamide post allo HSCT to induce tolerance to lessen GVHD. While the mechanism is still debated, knocking off activated T cells, allowing a preferntial reconstitution of regulatory T cells, and other explanations are offered.

The point is, all of this is complicated and will take a tremendous amount of controlled studies to definitively understand. But we are basically shotgunning something out into human animals without the benefit of a lot of preclinical data.

If you want to be even further alarmed, check out Geert Vanden Bossche, DVM, PhD. He is on Youtube so far, but you can also find some of his documents on his LinkedIn page, go figure.
Steph4liberty
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Tickerguy wrote..
THE LAW on EUAs is clear: Coercion cannot be applied; the EUA ITSELF relies on it being voluntary.

So my sister and friend both teach at a charter school in Wake Forest. The school has said that if a Covid exposure occurs in their classroom, they must self-quarantine for 14 days... with pay if they've had the vaccine or without pay if they haven't.

That smells like coercion to me. It also smells like a HIPAA violation because they can't ask if you've had the vaccine so how else would they know. Right?

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Tickerguy
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Yep.

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Blackcrow
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@Njca - that is as good as the joke about the neurosurgeon and the plumber.

The neurosurgeon is in hospital when the trophy wife demands he come home because the plumbing under the sink is spewing water. He meets the plumber at the door and calms down the wife. The plumber takes about 1 hour to fix the pipes and presents the couple with a bill for $1,500.

$1,500!! the neurosurgeon says, no way, I don't make that kind of money in an hour.

The plumber says - neither did I when I was a neurosurgeon.


Yeah, I read that Vanden Bossche article. If his point is damaging innate immunity by this spike protein vaccinating strategy, he may be correct. He is, of course, getting all kinds of attacks in the public square but nobody seems to be disputing his hypothesis.

Religious mania, bank it.
Abelardlindsey
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My employer announced on Monday that there is NO mandate to take the vaccine. This is good for me because I no longer face explaining to the wife why I'm quitting a six-figure job over this issue. I suspect the subject of Karl's post played some role in that decision.


Why on earth would you quit?! Get fired, collect UE and move forward with lawsuits - wrongful dismissal for one

Make them fire you


I was not aware of the EUA and the federal law surrounding it. I had read MSM articles. mostly from my facebook feed (which is largely liberals), that said that companies could legally mandate the vaccines. Of course we all know the MSM is full of it (seriously poor journalism) these days. Also, I am not by nature a combative person. Besides, I am not by nature a combative person. If I'm able to walk away from something, defined in this case of getting a comparable job within a reasonable time, I'll just walk away and leave it behind.

My friends all told me that any vaccine mandate was unlikely. Not only due to the legality, but also because a lot of good people would walk.

It does help that I work in a high demand technical field (industrial automation and control systems) that has seen relatively few young entrants over the past couple of decades. Young people like to work in comfortable climate controlled offices. They do not like integrating a control system with a laptop on a stack of pallets for 12 hours a day in a warehouse with no air conditioning or heating.

Kikknback
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Gross negligence does not exonerate you from premeditated murder.

These people attempting coercion should be publicly hanged.


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Jesjohn94
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If someone has taken a COVID19 vaccine presumably because they think it works why do they give a **** whether someone else takes one?
Drifter
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Vaeres reports 50k adverse events with the vax. Additionally, 50% of deaths from all vaccines is from da coof vax.

So far I know of: a case of lupus, a stroke, a hospitalization (pt claims the shot gave them covid), an arrhythmia that required a lifeflight, and a bodyrash.

The press, big pharma and .gov are pushing this **** w/o informed consent and don't give a crap if it destroys your life, over a disease where the differences between vaxxed and unvaxxed are fractions of a percent.

Jesus.
Purplefang
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Dr Yeadon does not agree with Dr Bossche. Dr Yeadon does not think the variants are different enough to escape your innate immunity. However it already seems clear that the variants can escape from the vaccine's antibody protection. Dr Bossche says that vaccine antibodies may be able to block your innate immunity (natural killer cells) leaving the vaccinated in a sad situation. This sounds somewhat like ADE. Dr Bossche does not mention ADE and Dr Yeadon said he does not understand ADE. Dr Yeadon seems more concerned about the potential to impact fertility in women. There could be other unknowns in the shots and unknown effects. Dr Yeadon does not like giving the booster shots a free pass with no trials or testing at all. So you can have a room full of very smart scientists and have a whole bunch of theories and disagreements. The CDC and NIH have billions of dollars they can fund studies to test these theories. Does anybody in Congress ever ask Fraudci what he is doing with the money? China and Russia may already have the answers and the means to use this information.
Jesjohn94
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I'm curious what TG thinks of COVID19 in Brazil. I'm not aware that they've locked down or mandated masks. They seem to have the most severe impact globally. This is their fall season starting but it does seem odd. Their political leadership is the most anti covid in the world as far as I can tell. Do they just have a more dangerous strain? If they do that makes me think global travel will be restricted for a long time.
Tickerguy
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Brazil is somewhat complex.

Maybe I'll do a ticker on it...

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Asimov
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Brazil has started puzzling me too. It's... too much. Something isn't adding up.

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Burya_rubenstein
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Dad's getting the Jab friday. I have no idea which one, but it's probably not a traditional vax.

I've done my duty in this matter and can do no more. He *is* 90, so it may even be the lower risk choice.

I'm still hoping for super ADE, as it seems to be the only way to stop the heavy-on-the-do's-and-don'ts.
Tickerguy
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It's hard to argue against someone who's 90, and is WELL past their life expectancy, getting a stab -- especially if they're also morbid in one of the "bad" ways.

Indeed, I can trivially show the math that says it's wise. Doesn't mean it will be ok, but just that ON THE MATH it's the right choice.

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Loonster
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It does help that I work in a high demand technical field (industrial automation and control systems) that has seen relatively few young entrants over the past couple of decades. Young people like to work in comfortable climate controlled offices. They do not like integrating a control system with a laptop on a stack of pallets for 12 hours a day in a warehouse with no air conditioning or heating.
@Abelardlindsey, I would much rather do engineering type work out in the field troubleshooting **** instead of in a conference room with "degreed" engineers trying to figure out how to solve a problem that requires common sense.

I hate the office. The best thing it did for me was open my eyes on how much money is wasted on stupid bull****. Controls would be a very easy move for me, but I can't get past the HR desk. (Controls is booming in my area too, but they are all looking for purple unicorns with 5 years of experience ****ting skittles).
Tickerguy
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I'm VERY good at that sort of work.

I REFUSE to put up with any bull****. Therefore, I'm not employable.
I'm also very NOT cheap.

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Raftermanfmj
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@ Abelardlindsy

Im intrigued by your occupation - where would one go to school for that that youd recommend - and what earnings potential could one expect? I already work in job w/o climate control (melt shop in a steel mill).

Tried to email you but - didnt work

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Reformedhippy
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Second that TG, I bet there are a few of us here on the forum.

I was chased out of my last job for not putting up with bull**** and trying to hold others accountable, literally for the most basic of P2P and Accounting principles. I was accused of both bullying a coworker (who spent 14 hours a day at his desk gossiping and pushing paper around while making very basic and expensive mistakes) and not meeting expectations of my command (who wanted me to sign off on scrubbing relevant system migration data so they could have the box checked for the next audit.) And I thought my previous company, which was negligent, wasteful, and scandalous, was an outlier, an exception.

It's a real eye opener to discover that this kind of corporate degeneration is another "new normal."
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