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2021-04-07 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Let me just make a simple point for all of you who "support" vaccine passports and similar.

The current Covid-19 CDC VAERS reporting system says that roughly 2,100 people have died closely-associated with taking these vaccines.  The very same demographic -- older, sicker Americans and health care workers -- typically get nearly all of the flu shots given in a specific year.  Last year 170 million of those shots were distributed (who knows how many actually went into arms) and about 25 deaths were associated with their administration.

VAERS always under-reports because it is voluntary and most reactions don't get reported.  As such these are floors, not ceilings, but when given across populations with similar demographics it's clear that roughly 100x as many die associated with a Covid vaccine as a flu vaccine.  To claim this is not a "safety signal" is flat-out bull****.

Let's assume you're a board member, owner or otherwise part of the "decision making" group at a university, company or other entity.  You decide to mandate vaccination for employees or customers.  Said people are coerced, effectively, into accepting an experimental shot -- a shot that has 100x or more the mortality risk associated with an ordinary annual flu shot.

How much risk are we talking about?

We have a lower boundary but not an upper one since VAERS always under-reports.  There are about 70 million "Covid vaccinated" people in the US thus far, and about 2,000 reported deaths.  That's 1 dead soul out of 35,000 individuals as a lower boundary.

Now let's assume some number greater than zero of those who you coerce has a permanent disability -- or death -- result from taking it.

What's the risk of this happening?  How many people are you coercing?  Got a student body of 10,000?  The odds are about one in three.  You can do the math on this.

Note that the vaccine maker and the entity delivering the shot have been given full immunity by the government.  You, on the other hand, as a university or business have no such immunity and the EUA for vaccines in fact states in black ink that informed consent must be obtained and that use of same must be voluntary, which means there is a very clean argument that you broke the law and violated the terms under which the EUA was issued when you put forward said coercion.

Maybe the surviving family members can sue (and bankrupt) you successfully on that basis and maybe they can't.  That's to be determined and there are opinions both ways on that but if said person was otherwise healthy and they do sue and win you're ****ed and you deserve to be ****ed.

Frankly, however, that's the least of your worries.  Let's think this one through and give some thought to what personal level of risk you find acceptable because if you're not thinking about that long and hard you're stupid.

What do you think the odds are that said person (if they survive) or their family members (if they're dead) will decide they won't bother with courts that they know won't hold anyone responsible for killing their son, daughter, mother or father and instead they decide to take retribution directly, law be damned to Hell since the law did not protect their family member from your naked aggression -- and said naked aggression resulted in their loved one's death?

May I remind you that unlike what happens in a courtroom where there is a judge and jury those family members do not need to prove that the vaccine was responsible; they need only believe it was and know you coerced their loved one into taking it.  The latter part you're doing openly and, in fact, you're rather foolishly bragging about it.

There is no immunity against The Law of Scoreboards.

Still think these sorts of "passports" are a good idea or perhaps do you think the decision to take such a shot should be a function of personal choice without any hint of coercion?

I'll leave that decision up to you.

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More and more, this vaccination coercion is reminding me of the classic 1956 movie The Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
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My soon-to-be alma mater Northeastern University just announced a vaccine mandate for on-campus students starting this fall. I am all online only, have never stepped foot on campus and never intend too. I would never have attended if the company wasn't footing the bill, and I never wish to speak of that cluster**** of a school again once my piece of paper is in hand and transcripts are in the safe. Let em get added to the VAERS report, see if I shed a year. Although it is tempting to copy and paste pieces of this Ticker onto some of their forums and see what kind of response it gets.

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At the North Bridge of Concord, Massachusetts on April 1775 there was an uneasy standoff between local farmers and militia, and a squad of Redcoats left to hold the town side of the bridge while the main body of the military column went into Concord proper to search for guns and powder. The two groups at the bridge faced off from opposite sides of the river. Guns loaded and at the ready, but no one fired. It was unthinkable for the locals to fire on their own, their fellow British, blocking access into town. It was only when the locals saw smoke rising from the direction of town that they leveled their guns on the Redcoats and fired.
The locals believed the soldiers were burning their homes. (In fact, only a few bits of contraband were being burned in the street.) It's only the threat of personal loss that gets people off their ass and into action. What distinguishes the Colonists is their tactical intelligence. The locals immediately understood that they couldn't go head-to-head against Regulars. The Colonists fought smart, "Indian-style". They won the day sending the Regulars back to Boston in disarray.
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I imagine they will claim that "We need to force every one because all black lives matter." Plenty of blacks are familiar with the details of the Tuskegee Experiment. The smart ones will likely be quite vocal in refusing the jab due to racism. Maybe they will be amenable to receiving both a waiver and hush money. Maybe the $ shan't suffice and the policy of waivers for colour will become publically known. That looks like a far future problem, so they can ignore that.

Perhaps the skools' and conpainies' Voodoo consultants will correctly advise them on how to restore the economic losses they have suffered and likely will suffer from continued COmmunist Virus Disease theatre.

There is hope for humanity if violence wrecks havoc upon many of their previously sheltered lives.
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With sadness for the lives my young children shall inherit, I fully believe it will come to such actions that KD speaks of. Those that would destroy freedom for whatever they see as the higher goal will not stop unless and until they are forced to. If, when and how that occurs remains to be seen. However, I get the sense it will happen, sooner rather than later, and no, I don't believe it will be pretty. Prepare accordingly.
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Imagine getting your last political comment on facebook deleted because it violated the community guidelines. The next day you are told at the local Walmart you can not enter because your immunity passport expired. Report to the local vaccination center for a booster shot to rejoin society. The vaccination center does a quick test and finds you have the white supremacy variant. We have a vaccine for that one too. Can't happen here? Can't happen to you because you are woke? What's woke today could be unwoke tomorrow. You survived the last vaccination. Will you survive the next? No liability? Why do trials? Why pay for quality control? Do people have any comprehension of the path we are on?
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Hello Karl,

I hope you don't mind but I have been utilizing some of your work in communication with my kid's School superintendent. To his credit, he has called me twice to listen to my concerns and promises to continue to take into account my perspective on masks and vaccines. We have been in communication thru email as well.

I was sadden to see this news yesterday...

https://www.unionleader.com/news/health/....

A track and field coach was fired for not forcing his athletes to wear masks while participating in events. The superintendent was sympathetic but did say he was fired for insubordination. The policy is left to each district and apparently this town is a bunch of mask nazis. I will refuse to do any business in this town going forward.

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Well, he did it the right way rather than quit.

Now the entire Track and Field TEAM needs to walk off and tell the school to go **** a goat. We'll see if they've got a set of gonads between them or not.

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One question I have about VAERS is around the possibility of more self reporting for COVID given the intense media coverage and scrutiny? There is no vaccine in my lifetime that has come anywhere close to this level of interest.

For the record, I am not taking it and have used many of your arguments/questions with my family. They are all taking it....
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Two problems that pull in opposite directions @Moneyshots --

1. The EUAs turn the administering physicians into mandatory reporters into VAERS for any "serious" adverse event. Serious is defined as formal medical treatment or worse. This, generally, is true for vaccines BUT it's specifically spelled out.

2. VAERS *allows* self-reporting as well and always has. But -- the media and "authorities" have continually hammered people into NOT reporting, claiming that even severe symptoms, so long as they're short of hospitalizations, are "normal" and "not a reaction" but rather your immune system working properly.

Nonetheless I'll lay odds that if someone dies closely associated with a vaccine, no matter what vaccine it is, that's going to wind up being reported.

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There were half a dozen soldiers who successfully sued Rumsfield over not taking the experimental anthrax vaccine in 2003. They won.

No. CIV.A.03-707EGS in the 297 F. Supp.2d 119 United States District court.

There was also this little thing we had called Nuremberg. After a civilized trial after a most uncivilized war that smashed an entire continent, people were hung for having experimented on human beings against their will.

I don't think things will be so civilized when parents find out that they in fact have zero chance of recovering any damages in a court of law.

Because there is no court of law to adjuticate vaccine injuries in this scenario.

These EUA issues are resolved on something called the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program.

I will leave the executive summary to Karl as he is the master at this but this is right off their 3/21/2021 update. (He will need a case of most excellent Scotch once he reads it.)

"Updated March 19, 2021

To encourage the expeditious development and deployment of medical countermeasures during a public health emergency, the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP Act) authorizes the Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) to limit legal liability for losses relating to the
administration of medical countermeasures such as diagnostics, treatments, and vaccines. In a declaration effective February 4, 2020 (the HHS Declaration), the Secretary of HHS (the Secretary) invoked the PREP Act and declared Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) to be a public health emergency warranting liability protections for covered countermeasures. Under the HHS Declaration and its
amendments, covered persons are generally immune from legal liability (i.e., they cannot be sued for money damages in court) for losses relating to the administration or use of covered countermeasures against COVID-19. The sole exception to PREP Act immunity is for death or serious physical injury
caused by willful misconduct. However, individuals who die or suffer serious injuries directly caused by the administration of covered countermeasures may be eligible to receive compensation through the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program."

The determination of "willful misconduct" is decided by.....drum roll please.....the very people involved in approving and pushing these vaccines.

Remember Charles Dorner? A cop that went on a rampage after he believed he was wronged by his police department. Tied up the entire police resources of California for 2 weeks before they hunted him down, during which time the LAPD proved Doner's claims of incompetence in their performance of the manhunt. He felt he had no other recourse and had nothing to loose.

Imagine a 1000 Charles Dorners if this things goes sideways.




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Yep @Blackcrow.

This is how our local hospital managed to get away with literally doing nothing for people with Covid until they are choking to death. Nobody can sue them for what is willful malpractice and they know it, since the FDA has refused to list anything as an "approved" standard of care. Since there is none doing nothing is legally fine, and since they get paid if someone dies as a result of Covid specifically, well, what do you think they want to have happen? Our little hospital has profited to the tune of millions from this.

But old people are a whole different game than an 18 year old kid falling over dead from a shot.

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It does seem pretty clear that under an EUA it is illegal to make mandatory. Hopefully we start to see more legal threats to back off the mandatory nonsense.


https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/23/fede....
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Yep @Jesjohn94 - I pointed this out in December, but apparently there are organizations who think the law does not apply. They may be right in the fullness of time, but there is no immunity from The Law of Scoreboards, whether provided by the government or otherwise.

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My employer announced on Monday that there is NO mandate to take the vaccine. This is good for me because I no longer face explaining to the wife why I'm quitting a six-figure job over this issue. I suspect the subject of Karl's post played some role in that decision.

My impression is that private companies are generally not forcing the vaccine on people. Rather, its public entities. most universities, that are forcing vaccines on staff and other people. This is to be expected as institutions such as universities are usually more bureaucratic than private companies, even large corporations.
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That is a sad story Kfell. I guess New Hampshire will need to change their motto from "Live Free or Die" to "Evil Fear Defile".

I had mentioned in an post a ways back about losing a step-mom-in-law last month, it really seemed like the hospital didn't do much for her. In on her own two feet and out on her back in about 10 days. Posting about it again as I read Karl's post and it reminded me how it really seemed like they were going through the motions for the first three days, and really didn't do much at all.

Mengele General Hospital

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Karl,

I remember first stumbling on your article in 2008 when I was on my honeymoon in Key West. I was staying in a guest cottage of an old high school friend of my wife's mother. He retired early because he had made a fortune on Wall Street by engineering CDOs. I've been following you ever since.

So here we are today with you as the voice shouting in wilderness against the hysteria from the media and political leaders about the "pandemic". I am in the minority and in the doghouse with my wife because I refuse to get the Coof vaccine. As a healthy 47 year old who is not overweight and drinks more milk than my kids (thanks to my dairy farmer father), it isn't worth the risk.

I'm commenting on this because I am an ivy-league University IT employee (please don't banhammer me) and luckily, the institution has not taken a stance on requiring vaccines. . .yet.

It has not yet been a week since I have returned back up north from Louisiana. My father was put into the ICU after having contracted COVID. He was 78 and did have a pre-existing condition. As a farmer, he used Roundup religiously and developed non-Hodgkin's lymphoma about 2 years ago. It was in remission. Dad was a tough bastard. The reason why all of this hits home is that he had both of his Covid shots earlier this year. Dad was active, but he did not travel much this past year only to fish for white perch in a private lake. My family has the suspicion that he caught Covid at his chemo clinic. That is what pisses me off the most. . .health care facilities being the vector.

I flew down to see him when my family contacted me. ICU Covid wards are lonely, lonely places. My nurse sister who worked at the hospital and she was able to pull some strings so his family could be with him around the clock. (I was tired of wearing a mask for a while in his presence. . .I tested negative before leaving.

Dad fought hard against the pneumonia for 6 days. His O2 levels were improving but not fast enough. Then came the ventilator, which he decided to do. We thought we were going to get some rest that day they put him on the vent and had hopes that things would improve because he was worn out from breathing on his own. Sadly, we were called in not 6 hours later and the doctor reported kidney and liver failure. At least I was there to be with him as he passed on. The funeral was the Monday before last. I thought he had at least 10 more good years in him.

I asked the doctor during my dad's last moments why the vaccine didn't prevent him contracting Covid. He replied that this might have been due to a "new strain" of the virus from Africa. Okay, sure. I'm not so sure that the vaccine wasn't the culprit.
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@Wayiwlak - too true and only for patients with covid (or presumed covid which is counted as a covid case).

One of patients went to the same ER 3 times and a neighboring hospital twice for recurrent nausea and vomiting. She got IV fluids and antiemetics but as soon as she had a negative covid test, she was out the door. No CT scans, no EGD, no upper GI, nothing. I was not notified by the hospital and since I see the patient yearly in follow up for a remote cancer the family didn't think to call me initially.

Finally she was vomiting up undigested food and blood at which point the family called me as they had been blown off by their PCP and her pulmonologist and now the ER docs for the 4th time. I got on the phone and went ballistic on the ER docs and demanded she be admitted and properly evaluated. She had EGD that afternoon with the finding of such severe ulcer disease in her distal stomach with swelling and bleeding to the point her stomach outlet was obstructed.

She had to go to surgery after she was stabilized, with a partial gastrectomy and bypass. Due to this horrible delay, with weight loss and severe malnutrition by this point, she had had a very complicated post-operative course. She had a fever one day without any other signs and or symptoms and tested positive for...you guessed it....covid.

She went to rehab, where she coded and died one evening, likely from her known heart disease or a pulmonary embolus.

There was no autopsy as Medicare stopped paying for them years ago and the family could not afford a private pathologist.

Her death certificate listed covid as the leading cause of death.

I could tell you 100 stories like that this year.

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Covid which the HOSPITAL gave her.

A year into this and we STILL have not cut off nosocomial infections; by definition if you're in the ****ing hospital you're already medically compromised and at high risk for ANYTHING.

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@ Wayiwalk "Mengele General Hospital"

It is not just hospitals it pervades across all levels of the medical profession. My two year old granddaughter had a run of the mill ear infection. The pediatricians office said they need a Covid test before they could treat. 3 days later they got the results back but the run of the mill ear infection had morphed into both ears and a very high fever.

The medical establishment along with a lot of corporations have made Covid a crutch for being non responsive to it's customers.
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Thank you for this article. I doubt that those in charge will worry about personal safety until it is way too late. This is due to the principle of I AM EXEMPT. World War 1 started because the Archduke of Sarajevo decided to visit the territory his minions had conquered. He traveled with his wife, in an open touring car with no security. The driver had a pistol only. The tour route was announced in local papers beforehand. During the tour, someone tossed a small IED at the car and missed. They ignored the attack and pressed on. At some point, a young partisan ran up to the car and shot the Archduke and his wife. Both died. Pretty good for a .32 pistol probably loaded with ball ammo. In my opinion, these folks died because they thought THEY WERE EXEMPT. A case of I AM EXEMPT is far more lethal than Covid.
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Grumpytree

Sorry to hear that. My father, the Goofy Old Farmer, died in January.

He was in hospice, and was given the vaccine two DAYS before he died. But they let me in to see him, and since it was hospice no one forced me to wear a mask with Dad. He died of a stroke and complications brought about from brain surgery 10 years prior.

His first death cert listed "Covid", but we fought it and had the attending physician (who was not the one who did the original cert) write the actual cause, kidney failure.

I suspect that cost the hospice center some money. They were not happy we did that.
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@Grumpytree, Sorry to hear about your dad. If you administer an immunogen along with lymphodepleting chemo, you can cause tolerance to the immunogen. The mechanism - immune cells that become activated by the immunogen are killed off by the chemo. This tolerance will persist when the immune cells have recovered from the chemo. So if your dad's ribosomes had been hijacked to produce the immunogenic spike protein while his immune cells were under the influence of chemo, he may have become tolerant to the spike protein, and not the opposite.

The above is certainly within the realm of plausability. This could certainly be a post-doc's project, but done in non-human animal models, and the resultig publication would be deemed interesting.
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