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2021-04-05 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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They Don't Believe It And Aren't Doing It
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But Global Warming is real and even CHINA has agreed to be carbon-neutral in the next 40 years!

Bull****.

Including decommissions, China’s coal-fired fleet capacity rose by a net 29.8 GW in 2020, even as the rest of the world made cuts of 17.2 GW, according to research released on Wednesday by Global Energy Monitor (GEM), a U.S. think tank, and the Helsinki-based Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA).

They have roughly 250GW of additional capacity under construction and last year added more than 35GW of new approvals.

The rest of the world has, on balance, decreased coal-fired energy output.

Unfortunately with the exception of hydroelectric, which is a renewable source, so-called "green energy" is not reliable.  Base load generation must be reliable and peak load generation must be dispatchable when needed in each and every case.  If it's cost-effective to use renewable sources for "fill" while the others remain available that's fine, but it almost-never is.

Why do we keep putting up with the lies coming from both China and our own government?

This isn't about "Global Warming" it is about destroying the United States and other Western nations.

Behind every unit of GDP is a unit of energy.

Like it or not, that's physics and there's nothing you can do about it.

So tell me once again why you haven't used every single global warming screamer as a boat anchor given that their real intent is to destroy all western nations in favor of the Communist Chinese.

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Augeries
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I can't wait for Dr. William Gates to block out the sun and cause another Ice Age. At least the skiing and snowmobiling will be good. **** the agriculture industry, we don't need that right? And solar panels? With no sunlight? Who thought that up?

I remember learning about the drowning polar bears back in 6th grade and I voiced my doubts in class. The teacher wasn't too happy, and it's not like I had the mental skills at the time to argue a point, but that is a sign that even back then I could smell the bull****. Everything I've learned on the subject since has proven my doubts to be justified.

**** the climate screamers. If they want to screw themselves to save the planet that's on them. As for me, I'm not giving up my electricity, or my heating, or my right to travel. I'm not going to live in a pod, I'm not going to eat bugs, I'm not giving up MY way of life. Anyone who wants to force me can argue with some 3200fps retorts.

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DON'T **** WITH US!

This is what Xi and the rest of China says to the rest of the world and you know what...fine by me. I wish this landmass formerly known as the USA would have the balls to tell all those societies, think tanks, and other countries that we will do what is necessary. Now that is completely unrealistic and nothing but a pipe dream but it is the "American Spirit" that still resides in most; even myself.
Nothing will change without full out hot and probably radioactive conflict at this point. I've always agreed with Ann B and her best form of gov't. A benevolent monarchy/dictatorship would put an end to all this bull****!

Reason: My attempt at pasting Chinese didn't work
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I'd like to use the GW screamers as boat anchors...and I don't even have a boat. But I no longer give a ****. I have no kids, and I stopped caring about what world we leave for other people's kids. They obviously don't care so why should I? Let. It. Burn. (or freeze...whatever happens)

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@Cheetah9 Monarchy is great when the ruler is reasonable and good. The issues arise when some inbred jerkoff gets the job. A monarchy will end up with as many duds as stars. In the end, I personally find actual leadership of the nation to be superficial compared to whether or not my rights are being respected. I would accept Putin or whoever as leader so long as the Bill of Rights was to be upheld. Granted, we all know that wouldn't happen which is why the people must retain their power.

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@Augeries

Agreed but the key word is "benevolent." Also it doesn't necessarily have to be a family/lineage rule.
Ann's example used was the owner of the Coors Brewery in Colorado. Most people who have worked there or are still working there love it. They are well taken care of and it is very generational. There are thousands of examples like this around but to your point, there are thousands of tyrant owners too.
All I know at this point is this **** we have now...this unholy alliance with tyrant corporations and our feckless "elected" officials is unsustainable. Civil war is inevitable. If anything.... the Articles of Confederation should have remained.
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Texas got the first taste of the final stages of Green Mania to stop Glo-Bull Warming.

As I read in a recent article on the topic, every state which is getting serious about eliminating fossil fuels for power generation has utilities whose back up plan is to buy electricity from neighboring states.

I'm pretty sure that the engineers and executives of the utilities understand that a country wide system where everyone relies on everyone else to supply excess power when needed won't work when the chips are down, yet that is the official story they choose to sell to government regulators.

Apparently government regulators are willing to turn a blind eye to the realities of physics in order to appease the tree huggers who believe that increasing CO2 levels from 0.4% of the atmosphere to some slighty larger level (yet still < 1%) is going to spontaneously destroy the planet.

Meanwhile, as TG noted, the Chinese are pushing ahead with a sensible approach to provide the energy they will need to become the globe's largest economic powerhouse economy in the not-too-distant future, while the US economy commits economic suicide with windmills, solar cells, and lithium-ion batteries that tend to explode and burn when put under electrical stress.

Confucious Say:

Man with Green Power turn Red in the Summer and Blue in the Winter.



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Meanwhile the governor in Minnesota wants the state to go "zero carbon" on personal vehicles just like Crazy-fornia has mandated. Disregarding the fact that EV's are far from zero carbon we have a bit of a climate issue up here with batteries. A Tesla might get you from heated garage to heated garage over short city trips in winter. Up in the north woods where towns are many miles apart and winter temps often dip into -30F range (or colder)....yeah, that will work well.
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@Cheetah9 I will agree that large companies are better off privately owned than corporate. Private ownership has as much of a chance to be good than bad. Corporate will always make things worse. I blame the lawyers for killing private ownership of companies. Corporations, partnerships, and propietorships shouldnt face different rules for lawsuits.

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Europe came very close to a system-wide failure on Jan. 8th. Bet you didn't hear about that one. They're trying to blame Croatia but that's just BS. The real reason is rapidly fluctuating supply due to more and more "green" energy being brought online.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/....

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Bill Gates is now one of the biggest farm land owners.

He is buying up everything he can, and pushing no meat diets. Which he will be able to do because as part of the covenant to rent they land is you can't raise cattle on it.
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Where are the Chinese getting all the coal for these plants? Is it even sustainable?

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What does China, and the democrats have in common?

They both support Communism.

Communism supports lying to justify their End Game goal, total control over the population and the elimination of an individual's rights.

So, democrats use Communism tactics here in the USA to destroy our economy, under the guise Green Energy will save the planet, when all Green Energy has done is stripped taxpayers of their hard earned money, with zero positive results.

Communists lie to forward their Totalitarian movement, no matter where in the world it takes place.

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I'm happen to see that you guys feel the same way about the climate change charade as I do.
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US GHG emissions are at a 30 year low. There are similar reductions in the EU.
China is planning an additional 500 coal fired plants throughout the world in places like Vietnam, Pakistan, Egypt, etc. These 500 will add about 8% to the current worldwide GHG level. China, India, and developing nations have the highest rate of increase.

In the meantime, woke cities and states in the US are banning new hookups of natural gas stoves and furnaces.

Madness.
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"Where are the Chinese getting all the coal for these plants? Is it even sustainable?"

There are many lifetimes of coal reserves available world-wide. Especially in Africa. If one does not care about how it is extracted or how cleanly it burns, it can be had very cheaply as well.
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Correction. CO2 is only roughly 0.04 percent.

Four Hundredths of One ****ing Percent.

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The atmospheric concentration of CO2 has been well over 1000ppm (sometimes as high as 7000ppm) during most of geological history. In fact, CO2 concentrations have been declining over the past 30 million year or so. Plants grow best in greenhouses with high CO2 concentrations. This alone should tell you that the climate change as an impending disaster is completely rubbish.

Coal and oil are actually quite plentiful. There are many centuries of both. The transportation cost is a significant percentage of the total cost of coal. No one prospects for coal because there is so much of it in known reserves. Coal is from land biomass and oil is from ocean biomass. I believe the total amount of ocean biomass has always been several times that of land biomass through out most of Earth's history. The franking revolution has made this abundantly clear. There is a reason why the Oil Drum blog site shut down some years ago.

In the long term, nuclear processes (fission and fusion) are the only way to go.
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Quote:
Correction. CO2 is only roughly 0.04 percent.

Four Hundredths of One ****ing Percent.


Ask VW if those hundredths of a percentage point matter.

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Sorry for being waaaay off topic, but I saw this statement from McConnell:

"From election law to environmentalism to radical social agendas to the Second Amendment, parts of the private sector keep dabbling in behaving like a woke parallel government," he said, adding "Corporations will invite serious consequences if they become a vehicle for far-left mobs to hijack our country from outside the constitutional order."

Perhaps he knows that it isn't sedition to go after a company or executives.
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Tony wrote..
while the US economy commits economic suicide with windmills, solar cells, and lithium-ion batteries

Yep. And best of all, look into where most if the solar panels, batteries, and the generators & controls for wind turbines are made.
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WooHoo! Texas could have used some of that 250GW during our Snowpocalypse!

We came within minutes of having either a hard shut down or an outright crash early on that Monday morning. Both would have resulted in very expensive and difficult to replace things being broken, likely for a long time as most of them are probably made in China.

Our legistlators bent the knee to the Green Lunatics and put 24% of our power as windmills. Karl has covered the idiocy of running natural gas pumps on electricity instead of the gas in the freaking line.

ERCOT, who was put in charge of our grid, is run by finance and marketing guys, not a manjack engineer among them.

Our local and state "authorities" did an execrable job of preparing the state for a cold weather situation that hadn't been seen here in 120 year - when there was no indoor plumbing and people used wood stores for heat. Sheesh.

And now we are told we have to be carbon neutral because the planet is heating or cooling or who can keep the stories straight these days, while these hypocritical bastards fly around on their private jets and live in 24,000 sq ft houses. Oh but China and India get a pass, per the Tokyo Accords and now this.

They hate us, they really really hate us. Their agenda is Death and their goal is the destruction of Western Civilization.

I hope their 30 pieces of silver is worth it.



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It seems to me that the powers that shouldnt be are determined to rapidly erase the western middle class in Europe and America. This is necessary to create a polarized and controlled society. China is obviously their model for techno neofuedalism. They wont be able to create spandex wearing automatons fast enough. It will end up being pretty ****ing far from startrek. May the force be with you.
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We are going to change the occupant of 1 seat in a 10,000 seat arena and the place is going to melt. That is what they are telling us. They say laces are warming tat the have almost NO historical data. Those who didn't agree were fired.

When Trump dumped Paris, politicians all over the US screamed. Why? Because they are all in line to******us financially. Tis nonsense is based on future predictions. The problem is, none of the future predictions made 25 years ago came true. So, the keep the carrot out front. Ice has been melting for 10,000 years. Did they expect it to stop?

I think it is more than just taking down the west. This is a Malthusian plot to depopulate the Earth. The Green New Deal is like Hitler being in power around the world and 90% of us are Jews. Without a stable means of mass energy production, famine is right around the corner. Get you candles ready and get ready to not have AC when it is 105 degrees or heat when it is under 20. That is only the first layer.

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