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2021-03-18 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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How Do You Stop A Cult?
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You don't.

Myriad cults over the years have "believed" the end of the world was imminent and it would suck worse than drinking poison or other similar means of offing oneself.  So they all committed suicide.

Every one of them.

How many were willing to tell the government to go **** goats over masks and restaurant closures?

How many will force retribution on the government at all levels now that the CDC has admitted that these measures never made any material difference in the spread of disease?

How many are still wearing masks and putting up with businesses that have such signs on the door?

Cults are just "fringe" people with weak minds eh?  Just a few?

Nope.

How many of you believed that it was perfectly ok to be fat -- you could be "fit" and fat?

It's one thing to drink or eat to excess knowing damn well it will eventually kill you and not care; to make the decision because whether through the gain of pleasure or avoidance of pain the trade-off is worth it.  That's your choice and I respect it.

It's another to deny the trade-off exists.

If you deny that trade-off exists you're a cultist.

If you try to force others to "affirm" your decision -- or protect you from said consequences -- then you're not only a cultist you're a cult evangelist and when force comes into play the only correct response is "NO", backed up with whatever is necessary to make you stop.

So what are you, Americans?

Burned that mask yet?

Told your mayor or governor to shove it up his or her ass -- and meant it?

Again -- the government itself has admitted that masks and closing restaurants did statistically nothing of benefit.

Let me guess -- you'll a cultist on the shots too, right?  You know damn well it takes five to ten years to know if there are intermediate and long-term negative effects from a vaccine; this is not a function of money, it is simply that it takes that amount of time and it's ridiculously irresponsible to give them to a large number of people until that time passes because if you're wrong you can't "un-take" a shot.

And that's just what we don't know.

What we do know is that they gamed the trials -- and both Trump and Biden are not only going along with it they're doing so enthusiastically.

What if they lied about what they showed by selectively omitting data?

You see, the evidence is that they did -- we just don't know the consequences of doing it yet.

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Njca
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The problem is that to go along you have to get along. That is, the advance one's career, you have to agree with the current dogma. Of course, as the current dogma diverges from reality, the naked emperor risk increases, but by the time it becomes obvious to the masses, the dogma reiterator is long gone, on the the next screw-up. Or, as with Fauci, is established as an undethronable brand, supported by the PTB.
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Studies discrediting hydroxychloroquine published in Lancet and trumpeted by the LA Times, New York Times, and the Washington Post were ginned up/faked by a porno star and a science fiction writer working for an operation called Surgisphere.
Most of America went with the fake story without attempting to look deeper.
I guess it's safe to say half of America is a cult...a Death Cult
Half the Country is 'Heaven's Gate'.
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Interesting Youtube channel is Medcram
Medcram is authored by an internal medicine doctor geared towards teaching young doctors with great detail.
Lots of good stuff about covid without the spin.

Recent one covered stress and immune response both mental and physical.

Turns out, mentally and ironically the more you worry about covid the more likely you will have a poor outcome, my interpretation. The people hiding in fear behind the masks are making themselves more susceptible.

As far as fitness, moderate exercise is best, elite athletes and marathoners have a hard time staying healthy because of constant and inflammation. There is a protocol Olympic athletes follow to try not to get sick leading up to competition. There's been a lot of research here, so much at stake.

Eating some carbs, like a banana and water during strenuous exercise helps recovery and lowers inflammation.

Being obese, BMI 30+ increases systemic inflammation. Heightened inflammation corelates with poor covid outcomes.

So, relax, take a long walk in the woods, plant a garden.

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I guess I'm "lucky" enough to have a medical excuse out of the shots, an allergy to polyethylene glycol and 90%+ chance of a shared allergy to polysorbate 80. It gives me an out if TPTB start trying harder to force the shots (especially in the workplace), especially since the Norwiegens just proved that the AstraZenica shot is linked to mysterious blood clot issues.

As for masks, I only use neck gaiters, which are camo or US flags and such. I often leave my nose uncovered and no one says ****. It's infuriating seeing people go along with this when they all clearly don't care either. They will only tell me I must have a mask because their store policy says so. What would it take for the cashiers and stockers to just brush off and ignore the corporate dictates? Karl is right to call our population weak willed.

I've been hearing theories regarding various bird flus that originate from vaccines. The idea is: give birds vaccines, the disease mutates and becomes worse, the only solution is an annual vaccine that makes everything worse forever. The conspiracy is that this is a potential option regarding the Covid shots for population control, the shots make worse and worse versions of Covid, and so you will have to take an annual shot or accept greater and greater risks. I wouldn't put it past Dr. Gates and his merry band of future tree ordaments to try something like this to "save the planet". Has anyone else heard of such a theory regarding bird diseases and vaccine mutations? I'd appreciate any help while I keep looking.

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It's not a conspiracy theory @Augeries -- it's a fact.

The problem with attempting it in humans is that birds don't live long enough in animal husbandry (roughly a year for egg-layers, a couple of months for broilers) to get ass****ed by repeated vaccinations. Humans do, for obvious reasons.

THAT risk is not theoretical either -- when a Covid infection becomes serious or life-threatening the reason it does is that it escapes the upper respiratory tract and becomes systemic. This is exactly how other viral infections wind up ass****ing you (e.g. polio) and the problem with these vaccines is that they are intentionally doing that by hijacking your cells to produce the spike protein at a systemic level. We have NOT been checking those people in the original trials for elevated d-Dimer levels, for example, which would be hard scientific evidence of a clotting problem caused by the vaccines. Well, it's there because now it's showing up both here and in Europe and all of the western world formulations will have the EXACT same problem since they all have the same mechanism of action.

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They forced all the shut downs and forced people to stay home. They build isolation as a part of the new norm. They then forced people to wear masks hiding their identities from everyone else.
They made wearing a mask a badge of honor and those that didn't were selfish and not part of the group. They demonize anyone that questions the virus and the lockdowns including the mask requirements.
It's all about control and so far it seems that they can easily pick out the slaves vs the free people.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/n....

"Our theory that this is a powerful immune response which most likely was caused by the vaccine has been found. In collaboration with experts in the field from the University Hospital of North Norway HF, we have found specific antibodies against blood platelets that can cause these reactions, and which we know from other fields of medicine, but then with medical drugs as the cause of the reaction," the chief physician explains to VG.
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I can't help but wonder if the end game to this crap isn't population reduction. Money? Maybe, but it seems too well coordinated worldwide. How would all of the drug (I refuse to call it a vaccine) companies serving the US and Europe come up with the same approach to Covid at the same time? They normally wouldn't talk to each other for competitive reasons. Why is China banning the drugs produced for the US and Europe? Do they know something that we don't? Taking in the entire picture of the US election, Covid, the apparent intentional de-stabilization of the US, and the so called vaccine I can't help but think something big is up.
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I bet the only thing we will hear on MSM is
"CDC: Mask mandates were associated with statistically significant
decreases in county-level daily COVID-19 case and death growth
rates within 20 days of implementation."

While it might be "statistically significant" the numbers say something else. Even if the 1.x% decrease in cases was 100% true (the paper admits there are confounders) that is in no way significant in the real world.

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There is no medical justification for these vaccines. This is an excellent interview with Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/eMDtqBAlH....

Our immune systems have done an excellent job without the vaccines and without antibodies. This puts up a very high bar to get over to scientifically prove the vaccine will have any benefits. Essentially he is saying its all risk and no reward unless you can prove it. He doesn't go much into the risks except he thinks the vaccines will trigger autoimmune disorders.
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One line of thought is that the innate immune system in healthy people is sufficient to provide protection against COVID19, as well as any other new virus. But in unhealthy people, the immunocrompromised, obese, those with pre-exisiting conditions, innate immunity is not good enough, and these groups will suffer from higher morbidity and mortality. One solution is to have these people take steps to protect themselves, as well as institutions like nursing homes, to take responsible steps to protect the vulnerable, but to let everyone else contnue normally, as interaction in the real world is required to keep the innate immune system in shape.

Another concern is that while prophylactic vaccines are appropriate to administer in non-pandemic situations, that they are dangerous to administer in a mass immunization action during a pandemic Why? It takes several weeks for vaccines to develop a fully-loaded immune response. If someone given the first mRNA jab is exposed to COVID19 while there is a building antibody response, it is not quite there yet to sufficiently neutralize the entire viral load, but instead gives the virus time to come up with survival strategies, which it does by evovling viral mutants which can survive the vaccine induced immune response. Also, as a survival mechanism, these mutants are selected for increased infectiousness. Now these immune viral mutants re-infect the defenseless immunized elderly, and kills them.

Another proposed problem has to do with the high affinity and specific antibodies developed from "vaccination" with these spike protein "vaccines" disabling the innate immune response. This is not a problem in the absence of viral mutants generated via immune escape. But it becomes a problem when "vaccines" administered during a pandemic create immune escape variants. Now people who would have likely been protected via their innate immune response become vulnerable. This is a cancern for children, who have a robust innate immune system, which becomes disabled through "vaccination."

If these theories pan out, we should see problems emerge in countries that have vaccinated sufficient numbers of their population. So keep an eye on Israel.

Lastly, a bit about immunology in general:

An immunologist and a cardiologist are kidnapped. The kidnappers threaten to shoot one of them, but promise to spare whoever has made the greater contribution to humanity. The cardiologist says, Well, Ive identified drugs that have saved the lives of millions of people. Impressed, the kidnappers turn to the immunologist. What have you done? they ask. The immunologist says, The thing is, the immune system is very complicated And the cardiologist says, Just shoot me now.
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My sense is that the mask cult is here to stay for a long while.

I live near the town of Tiffin, Ohio and it is home to two colleges. I see very high compliance among those of college age to mask wearing, even out doors. When I am out shopping the only folks not wearing masks tend to be 35 and up. All youth are compliant. Combine that with a fair amount of the population having bought into this lock stock and barrel this ain't going away. I am even amazed by the number of solo drivers who are wearing masks as they drive from here to there.
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From Ann Barnhardt:
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Ok, here's a stupid out of the box question. Can an mRNA type of jab be created that would exactly negate the effect of the current jab? Noted also trying to get out of the habit of calling this a vaccine. I suspect with many things, it is a one way street, but given it is unnatural and a body hack in the first place, was wondering.

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Probably not

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So what is everyone's take on the J&J vaccine? It is not mRNA. It is a vaccine of a common virus that uses the same spike protein in COV-19.
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It works the same way and has most of the same problems. It is not a vaccine.

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Superdude - when you read the general description of the J&J shot - they make it sound like it is more like the common flu shot, so I was thinking it might be a good option for my aging parents . . . but, to Karl's point, unfortunately it's not - still using genetic instructions to build a the "spike proteins" on your healthy cells to trigger an immune response - just the delivery mechanism is different I believe (instead of the mRNA - they use a double-strand DNA to hold the spike-building instructions). I think the Russian's Sputnik V version does the same thing - i.e. injects viruses that creates the spike protein. I was hoping they would just go the old flu shot route.
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@Londoncat - The reason they didn't is that it doesn't work with coronaviruses and never has, and worse, has repeatedly wound up provoking ADE.

Exactly WHY nobody seems to know, but it does. There was an attempt to produce a SARS vaccine that showed signals for this in animal trials and the study folks issued a VERY STRONG caution on continued attempts for this reason.

ALL of these current attempts are basically ignoring that and BELIEVING that mutation over time will not give rise to the same problem. That is a COMPLETE leap of faith and if you lose the bet you will be ****ED.

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@Greenacr - It's not just your part of Ohio. And it's probably not just Ohio, but there sure are vast number compliant sheep in this state. I would be a lot more angry at the psychopaths running all of our institutions if I was almost overcome with disappointment by the vast majority of the population. And just to rub it in on who is really in charge, they've started talking about how we might be allowed a couple of the privileges we used to think of as rights back by the 4th of July. My take is don't even bother me with July 4th. I'd be in favor of repealing it as a holiday at this point. Amerikans aren't worthy of the sacrifices made by so many going back over two centuries.

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Covaxin and SinoPharm are traditional vaccines.

They use deactivated covid virus.

Not sure how long those would have sterilizing immunity to a coronavirus that are known to rapidly mutate smiley

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Starting to see a lot of stories about vaccine shortages which I don't believe. I think after the initial rush of sheep wanting the shot the number of people getting it and people wanting it is dropping off a cliff. The vaccine shortage story is just to cover for the large drop in number of people getting jabbed.
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The Novavax vaccine, which may be approved soon, uses a spike protein in adjuvant (an immune response enhancer). It is not an mRNA or DNA "vaccine" but a more traditonal type, a protein vaccine. But it is just the spike protein, not the entire viral proteome.

The J&J "vaccine" is a DNA "vaccine", one step removed from RNA. mRNA is transcribed from the DNA, which then commands your body's protein synthesis machinery to manufacture the viral spike protein.
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