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Scottj175
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Because it certainly was release from a lab


Which in light of Karl's realization is terrifying. It could very well be an engineered phase 1.
Tsherry
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Yes.

Be terrified, or let that pass and be prepared.

You choose. No one will choose for you.

You are on your own.

There may yet be time to make a difference for you, if not for others.

Pay attention to what's going on around you, pay attention to what STT says about making sure you have a way out. You're driving on ice. Pay attention to Whitehat says about not being around targets, downwind, etc.

Get ready.

Be at peace, but be diligently working to protect yourself and those you care about as best you can.


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There's not a thing you personally can do about it if one of our "best friends" manages to exploit this.

Things will go to **** in a very bad way.

I have a very, very bad feeling about this since I know that bioweapons research's "holy grail" for decades has been discovery of a "tag" that was only in the targeted population and not in the aggressor's. They have spent BILLIONS if not tens or even hundreds of billions over those years across nations trying to find it.

This is literally The Cup of Christ for those people -- no bull****.

Now whether they can exploit it is the unknown, but that this is what they've sought for decades is absolutely true.

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Jeepguy
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Well I said off and on last year but starting late spring early summer, that isn't it funny that we have most of our major corporations located in China in what was at the time deemed to be the danger zone?

meaning that the managers there on the ground definitely talk to the higher-ups and CEOs back here in the states...

Ultimately meaning that those CEOs those companies at Large knew what the
problem is they never went public they never said anything but you can bet your ass that they were in direct communications with everyone in DC including your false god Trump!

Both fake sides were more than likely briefed about what was happening back in 2019 and of course it's not that they really gave to ****s about the Chinese people no no these companies went to DC and told politicians on either fake side all about how there's going to be a production problem!

but of course that's the situation no one wants to talk about no one wants to talk about the sheer fact that the executives of our companies that have production lines in China and frankly the rest of the world everywhere but here they knew what was happening no I don't buy into the Rona the way in which the US government is pushing it however I can say that people in different parts of the world are susceptible to dying from what you and I would consider the common cold!

The bottom line is GM Ford Chrysler GE etc etc saw people get sick on the production line and or fall over dead now if you believe that they did not say anything to DC you're a ****ing idiot quite frankly!

So I can assure you that all of Congress all of the house and definitely the White House knew about the coming problem here in the states and most of the western world the corona crap has largely just been a cover for a retail problem due to production problems is it real yes can you get it yes can some people die from it sure but it's overall not half as bad as the common flu!

but then again karl pointed out we have white man's sanitation system, even the poorest of Americans have access to health care!

To be honest even the poorest of folks across the Western world have access to healthcare debatable exactly how the Chinese healthcare system functions most would assume that it doesn't function very well the truth of it is is when you have a population of a billion people it's going to be real difficult to try and take care of somebody is going to die!




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Scottj175
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Now whether they can exploit it is the unknown, but that this is what they've sought for decades is absolutely true.


Akin to leaving a loaded weapon on your front porch.
Wakeupcall
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Question. If someone of child bearing age gets vax, would this affect any future children?

If so, China could blackmail us...give us what we want, or we release the kracken.

If doesnt affect future children, then 10-20 years from now, they wont have leverage, right? Assuming we stop the vaccination program.

I think it is more likely that muslims develop this and use it against the west, than china. Or at very least, china gives the technology to muzzies.

My dh works with a couple hundred military contractors. Everyone has been talking about the vax. It seems to be a hard no. Noone he has talked to is even considering it. Esp the black and hispanic people. No one trusts it.

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Tsherry
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Wakeupcall--without clinical trials which don't happen quickly, I suspect there's no way to tell.

Patentleathershoes
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Holy **** is right!

I have been back and forth about the vaccine because of being immunocompromised but have had the gut feeling about the vaccine that I should not get it.

There are already cases where people have died after getting the vaccine. Doesn't that show a mutation already?

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Obseedian
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The irony is that Israel paid extra to get the Pfizer vaccine early...could end up regretting it. A big chunk of their people are already vaccinated.


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Tickerguy
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@Wakeupcall -- While antibody protection can cross it's not something that expresses in germ cells, so no. The placenta does allow IgG antibodies to pass though so maternal antibody protection can be expressed in the fetus and child after birth. As such I would expect a child born to a vaccinated mother is likely to get ****ed HARD as would any other person who took the vaccine. If Mom gets hit the baby is probably screwed INSTANTLY, especially if breastfeeding.

Assuming we stop vaccination the antibody titer is likely to wane within a couple of years but exactly how quickly it wanes is not known as we simply don't have enough time in testing with these vaccines. How well a created virus could target the residual B and T cell recognition (I would assume that develops as it does with an infection) I do not know; if that happens, and it might, then unfortunately the damage could be permanent or at least last MANY years (perhaps decades!) with anyone who took the shot.

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Goldbrick
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Fear porn has been relentless for a whole year now, orchestrated by a media feeding frenzy, with the expected result of a huge percentage of the population becoming terrorized with fear and paranoia. Those folks then clamored for a miracle cure in the form of the warp speed vaccines, thinking it was going to save them, but instead marking them for death.

Theres no way this was caused by random events, it was somehow planned, and it sure looks like most of our dear leaders let it happen, either through ignorance or active collaboration with the plotters.

I believed all along that the plan was to kill off old folks to free up gummint money for the commie enemy within, but Gens story here raises the plot to a whole new level of evil.

I need to think about all this some more.

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Finaltable
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When I was in seventh grade, my American History teacher told us that Grant had a five to one troop advantage over Lee. The North never needed to win a battle; it simply needed to lose troops at a rate lower than 5:1 and the South would run out of people.

There are one billion Chinese people. Half of them could die and there would still be more of them that there are Americans.

Were I the Chinese leadership I would have a secret group of researchers figuring out how to simply take out half the world population. The US and Europe dominate economically because the West benefits from the multiplier effect of a vertically integrated economy. This economy, however, relies heavily on a skilled work force. The West doesnt simply throw bodies at a task, it uses the right bodies. If any substantial portion of the skilled workers in the west die the system collapses. The Chinese can then waltz in, buy US assets with the money weve sent them and sail boats full of people to work in their newly acquired plants.

Trump had this right. Whatever other sins he may have committed, he got that China was not on our side in any matter.
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I received a smallpox shot in 1969 because it was a bioweapon was a possible bioweapon. Now, the shot itself can be used like a bio-neutron bomb.

If I were president, this would make me seriously consider a first strike against those trying to manufacture this.
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Uhhh, from Transylvania 6-5000, my stupid movie of the night!
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Njca
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I finally got what Tickerguy was sounding the alarm about. Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) of viral disease. The concern: The mRNA vaccine causes the development of antibodies that actually enhance COVID19 infection, and so when the vaccinated do encounter the virus, kaboom!

Anyone interested can look up Winarski KL on Pubmed. It will bring up a publication on ADE and influenza virus that is a bit technical (Antibody-dependent enhancement of influenza disease promoted by increase in hemagglutinin stem flexibility and virus fusion kinetics). But the bibliography contains a nice assortment of publications on ADE.

The jury is still out about this case, but what is indisputable is that the mechanism of an mRNA vaccine is much different than natural viral infection. There is a lot that happens immunologically when a virus enters through the nasal and respiratory mucosa that does not happen when you get a shot of shielded mRNA in the arm.

Stay vigilant.
Julier
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Guinea pigs....Learning as we jab....

"Poor antigen-specific responses to the second BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine dose in SARS-CoV-2-experienced individuals"
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/....

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Tickerguy
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The issue isn't quite that @Njca -- it is that bioweapons research has ALWAYS focused on how to differentiate targets from those you do not want targeted.

It goes all the way back to when the first colonists discovered that while Smallpox was very bad in Europeans and killed about 1/3rd of them in Native Americans it was nearly always fatal. Ever since that time every single bioweapons research program has one and only one focus -- finding a "tag" in the enemy that is not present in your people that makes them susceptible.

There was a body of thought for a good while that you could do the converse too -- vaccinate YOUR troops and then hose the other guy.

As we've learned more about viruses and mutations it became clear that the converse is dangerous and will eventually blow up in your face since you cannot control the circulation of the agent once its released. Mutation means that the odds your agent will eventually evade the vaccine is nearly 100%, and when that happens your people all die too.

But this means going the OTHER WAY suddenly becomes safe for the same reason; as the agent mutates it comes "off" the tagging and disappears, either causing mild disease or no disease at all.

Until these "vaccines", however, we've never had a tag discovered that was prevalent enough in an enemy and entirely absent in our population. Thus we never have found, despite trying like Hell since WWII and especially in the age of DNA and gene sequencing, to find a means of pointing a bioweapon ONLY at our enemy without killing our own people.

We just invented that tag and now we're putting in our people. If an enemy can exploit that WE ARE ****ED.

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Invisiblesun
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Nepal shows natural immunity works

Its as if nothing has happened. The nightclubs are crowded. Schools and colleges are reopening. Sports venues are full. It doesnt seem like there is any Covid, says Sameer Mani Dixit, a public health specialist. It defies logic.

https://amp.theguardian.com/global-devel....
Tickerguy
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What do we do with the politicians who refuse to let it go?

And how far do we let them go before we make them pay for it?

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Purplefang
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Here are some possible dangers of the vaccine.

Immediate severe allergic reaction.

The vaccine can stress your body the same as an infection. There are reports of some people getting 105 F fevers. In people with health issues the reaction could be fatal. There are numerous reports of deaths in nursing homes after getting the vaccine.

There are reports of miscarriages. There are also concerns about long term fertility issues.

There are reports of the vaccine triggering autoimmune disease. There are also concerns about long term autoimmune issues.

There are concerns about ADE which could cause a future viral infection to be fatal.

There is no valid excuse for not doing animal studies before releasing this experimental vaccine. No money? No time? I believe they know the animal studies would find majors issues that would delay the vaccines a long time.

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Karl, will you be doing a podcast on this?

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Tickerguy
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Maybe -- some embedded in today's, and may do one that's exclusive to it.

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Jeepguy
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@Finaltable
All Trump did was (talk) about how China was not on our side, but most of us already knew that 25 years ago!

Oh yes I know he put on some tariffs, well that would have been a good idea 20 to 25 years ago!

Skilled workers in the West? Yeah they still technically exist except they generally don't have a job at what they're skilled at via they moved most of them over seas!

I said it before Trump took office and I'll say it again, technically we need China more than they need us!

You would have to radically tear apart our current system furthermore you would have to severely regulate American businesses simply by an acting a law that would say that you have to have 98% of your manufacturing base within the US or you're not considered a United States business!

But there is no group of politicians anywhere that's interested in doing it there is no way Trump was even going to touch that!

of course the reason why our companies is did not come jumping and running back in here like the Trump mythology claimed they were going to, is simply a matter of money and the sheer fact that all presidents are temporary and so are the tax breaks and incentives they hand out!

so for instance you can go to China and places like China and you can build tool and staff a factory for 20 to 30 million bucks here in the United States it's going to cost you $150 plus million bucks to do that...

so if you're only getting tax breaks worth 28 million over the course of four years you're certainly not going to be at a big hurry to spend 150 million bucks when chances are you've already opened a factory elsewhere in the world China for number one, and it's been nothing but pure profit since day one and you did it for a hell of a lot less than their crummy tax breaks will ever be worth plus you don't have the EPA barking down your neck!

Bringing our businesses back was never the real agenda, quelling China and trying to limit their trade was never truly part of the agenda that was all a big show!

you must understand that China is one of the huge pillars in the grand scheme of globalization, most of that operation is being headed up by the Federal reserve and they're close family members at the IMF!

folks like Trump and other assorted politicians are nothing more than Federal reserve puppets!

It's like this, if they get word that most of their constituents is complaining about China, complaining about trade, complaining about the lack of industry, complaining about the price of this or that.... Then big man politician is going to get up there and flap their gums about it and pretend to be oh so on your side the reality of it is they get their marching orders from elsewhere, which is why nothing really happens nothing actually changes especially for the better and the bigger agenda still continues which is to put the squeeze on you and me!!



Jeepguy
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@Tickerguy,
Can you post the links to your most recent spots on shows?

Stocks and jocks plus anywhere else you've been recently!

Thanks!
Tickerguy
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I generally don't..... but S-N-J is every Friday, typically, second hour.

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