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2021-01-12 08:31 by Karl Denninger
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Which is the handed out like candy?  Birth control pills.

May I just cite a few statistics from the scientific literature?

In a separate study published in The Lancet, researchers determined that the excess risk for nonfatal VTEs linked to this new generation of OCPs to be 16/100,000 woman years. 

16/100,000 significant adverse event risk for this one specific condition, venous thrombosis.

But.... we're just getting started!  Use of the pill among smoking women, well....

Older women who smoke have excess risk associated with OCPs (400/100,000 woman-years). 

Oh my.  So now if you smoke and are a bit older it's 416/100,000.

But what if you're don't?

They found that there were fifteen unexpected idiopathic cardiovascular deaths in the following proportions: 4.3/100,000 for levonorgestrel OCPs, 1.5/100,000 for desogestrel OCPs, and 4.8/100,000 for gestodene OCPs.

Well now that's a lot more-reasonable.  Now we're into the roughly 3/100,000 range.  But remember -- these are additive, so we're around 20/100,000, more or less, assuming you don't smoke and aren't too old (but still of child-bearing age.)

Breast cancer, incidentally, happens all the time whether you use birth control pills or not.  In fact the data is that a risk of 123/100,000 woman-years exists.  Cervical cancer in the US is about 8/100,000.

How many of these are caused by birth control pills?  Not known.  But the rates have gone up a lot, and unfortunately the odds ratio is 1.52, which, while not proof, strongly associates a whole lot of these cancers with birth control pill use.  Indeed, it appears to roughly double the risk from the literature assuming the woman in question started using said contraceptives before they were 20.

There's even worse news in that if, as a woman, you use HRT once you reach menopause the risk is additive.  Lots of women do to manage the symptomology of menopause, which can be quite life-impacting on its own.

I could keep going from other scientific literature, but I don't need to.  I will note that these risks are in fact modest and thus considered acceptable -- unless, of course you happen to be one of the people who gets nailed by them.  Then all the odds ratios in the world don't matter.

Now let's compare with what we're not doing right now with Covid-19.  You see, there is evidence that Ivermectin is effective.  We first knew this in the spring and the evidence has gotten stronger, becoming quite clear by mid summer 2020.  There are now over two dozen studies of varying quality showing that it works during all phases of the disease including as prophylaxis with effectiveness averaging over 80% which is statistically identical to that of a vaccine.

Why has there not been a series of very large random controlled trials?  They cost money and being off-patent nobody is doing them because there's no profit in it.  You'd think the NIH or other public health agency would fork up the money and do very large random controlled trials immediately on this and many other drugs that show potential promise -- you'd be wrong.  These "agencies" are simply adjuncts of the pharmaceutical industry; they are not public interest entities at all, which is clearly evidenced not only by this disease but by many others over the decades, including the 1980s when AIDS was originally ravaging the land. 

But I digress, so let's get back to the topic at hand.

Like oral contraceptives Ivermectin has been used for decades in humans as an anti-parasitic.  Those doctors claiming it has no other effect are liars; among other things we know it works for Rosacea, which is not a parasitic disease.  Indeed, Rosacea is believed to be immune system related, which is very strong evidence that Ivermectin has immune modulating effects.  That is a sufficient mechanism of action to explain why it would be effective as an immune modulator that inhibits the immune system dysregulation that occurs in severe Covid-19 patients.  When you look at the data on clinical trials you see effectiveness; what you need is a mechanism that can explain this.  We have that.

No drug is without risk.  But note that oral birth control is available over the counter, without a prescription, in most nations.  The US is one of the very few exceptions, and the obvious reason for this is simple: It forces you to spend money at the doctor's office in addition to the drug itself.  However, despite that if a woman demands it from a doctor she will get it -- even if she smokes.

Yes, Ivermectin has risks -- but so does aspirin.  All drugs have risk.

So let's quantify the significant adverse event risk of Ivermectin.

You know, what I just got done giving you information on for birth control pills which are given to any woman who demands them?

But before we do that, can we agree on one thing?  Getting pregnant is potentially dangerous as is dying from Covid.  However, pregnancy is not a pathology.  It carries risk, of course; in fact if you are pregnant in the US the risk of death was about 9/100,000 in 1986 -- but now is nearly double that.  Why?  Because people are fat pigs as a direct result of their lifestyle choices and those choices have roughly doubled the risk of dying from the simple, natural and ordinary process of pregnancy.

Yeah that sucks folks, but you did it to yourselves just as the very same behavior makes you more likely to die from Covid-19.  Is it my responsibility that you are more likely to die by getting pregnant because you ate yourself half-to-death?  Intellectual consistency much folks?

And remember, birth control pills have a roughly 20/100,000 significant (not fatal) adverse event risk in women.  Pregnancy is roughly equal but the risk there is of death, not significant adverse event.

So what is the significant adverse event risk for using Ivermectin?  It would have to be much more dangerous to forbid its common use as a prophylaxis against Covid-19 than birth control pills used as prophylaxis against pregnancy, right?

You'd be wrong.  In fact, you'd be very wrong.

There's a very large study out of the DRC where the drug is used routinely as  prophylaxis for loiasis and onchocerciasis, both parasitic infestations.  Across a population of 15 million the significant adverse event risk was 6/100,000 with most of those occurring in people who had active loasis.  In other words while the quantifiable risk of using Ivermectin absent active parasitic infection is not known it is materially less than 6/100,000.

Or, to be more precise, less than one third of the risk of taking birth control pills which are routinely taken to prevent a natural, non-pathogenic condition.

Yet one we have no quarrel giving to any woman who asks for them while the other, despite hard scientific evidence of effectiveness both as prophylaxis and treatment for Covid-19 we are refusing to use widely under informed consent by persons so-infected or at high risk of becoming infected (e.g. household members of someone who has the virus, nursing home residents, etc.)

Yes, you can argue that the evidence is not conclusive and find flaws in the studies.  But we are talking about a drug that has a much lower risk of adverse events than using birth control pills which we hand out like candy to young women on demand and pregnancy, unlike Covid-19, is not a disease -- it is a natural function that people desire from time to time to prevent.

Access to birth control pills is considered a civil right.

Refusing to offer the other is manslaughter - to the tune of well north of 200,000 counts since this became known likely effective thus far, including more than 70 in my county alone.

When do we start locking people up?

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I've been telling more people about Ivermectin and getting mostly sheep-like responses. As you say the risk is so low that it is almost a no-brainer. Yet they'll line up for a vaccine that uses technology that has never been proven safe. It can take 5-10 years normally to approve a new vaccine due to side effects taking that long to show up.

Belize just approved it for general use ... maybe we're just more backwards than our banana republic friends to the south.

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Zappa, most people still think whatever Dr ****ii says is law. Till that changes, nothing changes.
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This makes me think of a neighbor kid who ate all his mom's birth control thinking it was candy. When you hand it out like candy it'll get left around the house like candy.

For grins Google "Ivermectin". The ministry of propaganda is in full force on this.
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People in power exploiting the tribal nature of our species.

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Ivermectin is interesting. I can understand why it is resisted in USA due to the medical scam reaching the highest levels of government. I don't understand the explanation for the rest of the world not using a safe/cheap drug for COVID19. There is clearly a risk giving a new vaccine to billions of people without any medium term safety studies let alone long term. No one seems to care about that. Governments are acting as if we had an Ebola pandemic.
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Jesjohn: But they are using it... All over the world. India is probably the highest population where they are.

More and more all the time. Cheap and effective == third world. Expensive and maybe effective == first world.

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Brilliant logic.

Now try to use this logic on any female who is using birth control pills. The first thing that she will say is that birth control pills are safe because her doctor gave them to her. No doctor, no safe.

The half of the population which makes the majority of economic decisions, child rearing decisions and family health decisions is trained since early adulthood to not think like an adult and accept as fact whatever the authorities dish out.

My body, my choice was as much about letting the female find protection in the medical industry through the psychological justification effect as much as so-called personal freedom. A brilliant hack on par with the earlier eras of "the company you can trust." What is supplanted by this? Oh yea, family influence. Schools anyone and their reach into non-educational student issues, especially "health."

Let's see, who's fault was this? The other half maybe. I raised two females to not be taken in by this and later had a spouse who could think for herself.

Got mirror?

Did i say something wrong?

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Thank you TG for providing me more ammo to use in my endless quest to turn people's worldviews upside down. Birth Control is more dangerous than Covid my several magnitudes? That's like shooting black tips at drywall.

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The real issue?

People are ****tards addicted to fear.

Many LOVE this coof crap; they're addicted to the fear of it, and this fear, coupled with their innate ****tardary, pretty much insures that very few will actually grok this.
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TPTB are the Party of Death. Eliminating 100,000 potential pregnancies is well worth the cost of 20-400 women (bonus points for this death cult). For TPTB a couple million of CV deaths worldwide is better than having almost no deaths at all.

The sheeple are being culled. The weak are easily eliminated, but the ones that strongly resist are typically removed first. Go in peace, or rest in peace - your body, your choice.
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I'll be 50 next Friday.

I hit full blown menopause 2 years ago.

I've been on estrodiol cream, progesterone pills, testosterone injections and thyroid pills the last year and 1/2.
Waking up with panic attacks (never experienced them before), hot flashes, itchy skin and brain fog are not the way I wanted to live my life.
If I die because of hrt, so be it...Informed consent, consider me informed.
I TRIED toughing it out.
Quality of life matters to me.
Hot flashes stopped within DAYS.
Panic attacks and brain fog as well.

I know that isn't the point of your ticker Karl, but I still wanted to have my say.

Horse paste certainly has less risks than my hrt, and it didn't taste horrible. Ivermectin is way less likely to cause me to lactate....All the hrt creams/pills and injections might make me eventually LoFL.

At least hrt serves a purpose for those of us that weigh the risks/benefits.

A statin, however......

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Point being @Workerbee -- Ivermectin serves a purpose too if you are at high risk of or infected with Covid.

And it's carries a tiny fraction of the risk that HRT or oral birth control does.

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Oh I know Karl.

And you basically said in your ticker the risks for some are worth it.

I am a female that thought I would never take hrt, so I tend to be pretty open and vocal about how wrong I was.
It does serve a purpose, like you did mention.

Statins don't.

Sorry for derailing this thread, but I am an Italian gal, you know how we get.

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One thing that is clear ...... there will be no locking up of people at least for the next four years.

The only exception will be for Domestic terrorists .... (definition of which is to still to be determined and...... expanded)
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oral birth control has more risk than you mention, since that is only the VT risk. It can screw up a lot of other things as well, like the gall bladder.

A high percentage of the total women who do have VT complications though could have been predicted, nearly all of them have one of a few clotting related mutations are are easily tested for. About 200 bucks without insurance. If you have the mutations(and you can have more than one) you risk for adverse event is an absurd amount more from oral birth control

Will your doctor tell you about these tests if you specifically ask about the risks when being prescribed OBC? No.

Can you sue them after nearly losing a gall bladder, having an 18 inch clot in a leg, and a following pulmonary embolism? No, because it's the "standard of care"
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Oh absolutely -- as I noted that's just one area of risk, and there are many. There is no easily-accessible literature I could find (and I did do a fairly diligent search) that catalogued the total SAE risk from oral birth control.

You'd THNK that would be a front-and-center piece of data for ANY drug. In fact, it ought to be on the ****ing label.

It isn't -- you have to go look for it.

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Well I bought a two year supply of ivermectin for about $75 for two of us and take it monthly. The only side-effect that I've noticed is diarrhea for a bit 24 hrs after taking it. Annoying, but being at risk to covid I figure it's the best preventative IMHO.
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@Workerbee -- wishing you the best as always. Your situation also highlights the way that medicine or any treatment is supposed to be done. The benefits and risks are weighed with complete disclosure and consideration. In your situation you have the complete disclosure since there might be more access and experience being in the profession thus knowing its goods and bads. Everyone essentially deserves the ability to do this and the freedom to make a decision.

Another benefit is that with very complete information in your situation, one can be PREPARED for any eventuality, catching it before it is too serious and better mitigation.

This last point is the most important. The authorities do not want people to THINK. It starts with punishing for questioning and then withholding information. The people start to realize that it is their job to simply do what they are told, give the desired answer not the correct one and believe what they are told.

Some of the smarter ones never believe what they are told, but act like it to have success in the current system. Doctors do this all of the time but are not the only ones. These types of people have a special place in my hate file. They hurt more people than any other, and do it consciously and purposely. Die.

BTW: Happy Birthday.

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"Doctors cure 6,000 patients with Covid-19 with Ivermectin" Dominican Republic

https://dominicantoday.com/dr/covid-19/2....

I see no reason an American should not be offered this insurance policy. With "right to try" legislation, how can they refuse compromised individuals.

Shouldn't covid qualify as a "Disease or conditions where the likelihood of death is high unless the course of the disease is interrupted".

Reason: grammar
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Taking birth control pills can basically be likened to killing a fly with a sledgehammer. Curing covid with Ivermectin however constitutes a proportionate response. As a bonus it helps. Great ticker.
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According to this video, only 10% of those asking for the MATH+ or iMASK protocols get it.

I imagine the reasons for that would be liability fears and what insurance is willing to pay for, but what about some kind of prepared in advance "hold harmless" agreement combined with cash payment?

Meeting the Covid Heros: Dr Kory, Dr Marik and Dr Varon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfnIkDwr....
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Story on Facebook blocking an Australian politician posting pro Ivermectin comments.

You have to give liberals some credit for understanding the power of controlling almost all of mainstream media and social media. All conservatives have ever had is talk radio which is irrelevant now. With ongoing demographic changes I doubt we'll see another Republican president.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne....
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The local Tractor Supply has been out of Ivermectin Horse Wormer for weeks. They do have bottles of injectable ivermectin for about 40 dollars. They also carry the syringes needed to draw the liquid out of the bottle. You do not inject the liquid, just measure out the dose and swallow it.

People show a lot of creativity when some xxxxxxx tells them they cannot do something.
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That bottle has a LOT of doses in it.

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