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2021-01-10 09:32 by Karl Denninger
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It does not matter how you feel about AWS booting Parler off its infrastructure.

You just saw a demonstration of why any business that has anything important on "cloud" just became uninvestable and, in fact, the firm is valueless.

Oh no, you say, that's not what this means.

Oh yes it is.

Remember that AWS has a specific terms of service.  Nothing Parler did or was doing broke the law.

What business would you operate where some other firm's employees can "revolt" and force you closed?  On what planet is that risk exposure permitted by the law or your board of directors?

By the law?  Yep.  Do you run a medical, communications or other "critical" firm that is bound by law to remain operational in some form or fashion along with its data?

As of yesterday you can no longer have it on any commercial cloud provider because said providers just declared that their employees can demand your operation be thrown off with 24 hours notice and be forced closed.

Where else does this extend?   That's the bad news: Everywhere other than in your own building.

This is how dirty civil wars become inevitable folks.  That Amazon did not fire every single employee organizing such immediately and make very clear that this will never, ever be raised even in discussion among staff members again tells you exactly how far "Woketopis" has gone and where we, as a nation, are headed.

This started with Daily Stormer as I noted at the time.

I see exactly one way to stop the progress of this toward the inevitable -- Amazon must be destroyed to a degree that they are never again able to do this sort of thing, since the question of being "willing" has now been answered.

Will that happen?  Nope, because you won't make it happen and it's not just AWS -- it's also Google and Apple.

What do they all share?  They're monopolists.  All of them.  All of which has been illegal for more than 100 years and violations of said law carry a 10 year "up your ass" penalty in federal prison.  Our refusal to enforce said law both against them and the medical establishment is on us -- we, the people have permitted this.

Is this is just about Parler?  Nope.

Who conspired to keep out of the public view what, it appears, is on Hunter's laptop?  Dozens of organizations including the monopolist social and "legacy" media.

It's pretty conclusive that law enforcement knew for over a year that credible evidence of serious felony acts involving children existed on that laptop, they had physical possession of the evidence and did nothing about it on purpose because it was in the family of a man running for President.  Further, the entire Democrat and Republican leadership knew about it too and also did nothing.

That's how far we've descended, and that sort of rot is exactly why "Woketopia" just destroyed the ability of any firm to operate on so-called cloud infrastructure as it presents an outrageously unacceptable business risk.  If you think your firm being "woke" insulates you you're dead wrong -- the definition of "sufficiently woke" will change and when it does you will find out that you're targeted -- exactly as were black businesses burnt in Minneapolis by people who claimed "Black Lives Matter."

Those businesses were destroyed and the people who committed those arsons and organized the riots were bailed out at the behest and through campaigning for donations by our current Vice-President Elect.

The perpetrators did not go to prison.

This sort of rot -- where even direct credible evidence of felony abuse of children is ignored if you're the "right" person and if you're the "wrong" person no crime is required for you to be effectively thrown out of both business and society is exactly how you get a dirty civil war.  This is direct Communism; mere improper thought leads to sanction while the protected can literally do anything with impunity.

Every firm and individual involved in this or who works for such a firm is and should be held directly and personally responsible when, not if, it happens.

It is going to happen because of their actions.

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Supreme Court should be pretty busy this year.
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****, in a just world it would be the evil, black ____ that would be busy.

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"Supreme Court should be pretty busy this year."

If, by "busy", you mean drinking cognac and hobnobbing with their fellow globalist commie bastards, then absolutely.

Other than that, I seriously doubt they give a crap.
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If, just because a company has differing political viewpoints....
Amazon can stop hosting...
And iTunes and Google can stop distributing apps...
ISP's and email services can suspend/delete accounts....

Can SAP, JD Edward's etc.. kill their cloud license?
Can Microsoft kill their 365 license?
Could all those SAS products just....stop working?

Talk about crippling opposition...

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Exactly

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"Supreme Court should be pretty busy this year."

Nope - we know they will NOT do anything. We have plenty of evidence that they are cowards, including Trump's appointees.
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I blame the men of society. That's it in a nutshell since they have no nut sacks.

Do not even consider the jackasses who were involved in that ****show in the capital as men. They were using a mass bully technique as they are really wimps.

Here is why. How many men really and truly could support their families on their own and commit themselves to living in a way that this works. No this does not mean living like a frontier family out in the country but does not exclude this option. Now for the fun part.

Being a man who can take care of his own, what bothers him about economic infiltration into his family? Has he taken the time to think this out and not be mister No but create other options?

My thing, amongst others, was no mass media nor Apple products. This was before the smartphone, but cellular phones were quite common. I did not like Apple providing computer and software in schools knowing this company was building a consumer cult. It pissed me off that one could not order media service without subsidizing channels counter to my culture or basic decency and dignity.

This set the stage for the children that i raised (essentially Millennials) having a critical eye towards the actions of companies not seeing them as essential parts of their lives as opposed to general internet connectivity.

The current crop of people in this country and a lot older than the Millennials cannot bring themselves to see their technology providers as cold, hard business interests. They have been brainwashed, oh BTW, **** Apple, now back to the point.

People view Apple products and that ****ing iPhone as a safe place for their children and grandchildren. Women of the house viewed them as safe since Apple approved apps and such and it was easy for them to use. We often call it the Grandma phone as she gets it and then gets this giant plan where her bitch daughter gets one, then the children and of course the husband since it has to be a family plan. They can facetime bull**** with the grandchildren and all of the other emotional non-independence that goes with these phones. The real laugh is when the husband has real business that needs a cellular phone and he is trapped with one of these juvenile things and the **** sound quality and other bull****. What was that, "First you get the women, then you have the children and the men will follow." Humm ... who said that?

See men for the most part do not have what is called Whitehat's threshold rule. I pay for the residence, i determine what comes in the front door, period. No *******s, being a stupid dictator in the house does not lead to sane children or a happy relationship. standing for principles does.

Kind of different than the brief time in history where a broke ass guy married his high school sweetheart, found a job easily and things just sorta worked out. No need to stand for something when men forgot the challenge of leadership and had to struggle to prove themselves at any economic level prior to marriage and family. Life got easy and people forgot to be vigilant, companies stepped in to make decisions for everyone (see postwar boom), women gained economic power without the challenges of men and when things started getting tight, men accepted their wives as household economic contributors without wondering what was wrong.

Because everyone, including men, had it too easy. Men did not warn women that everything targeting them was an infiltration into cultural values since they themselves were spoilt by things just working out in the good times. Men forgot their vigilance because things came too easy. Then the women and children found safety in corporate America.

Without strong men, women and their children will never accept that these large interests are a threat to them and not a safe space. These children grew up, and mine and those like them are but a small minority.

Opps, did i say something wrong?

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Ameri-morons will finally learn when that one last stupid mistake unleashes consequences of compounding the previous mistakes into an epic, salient lesson. http://www.amerika.org/politics/arete-th....
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Once again, Karl - you've parsed an issue to its root. A reason I've been around here for a while. Thank you.

Beyond wokeism, this could potentially be used to crush competition. Think about tech startups - which many use AWS. Private equity or principals in a startup gives a few key amazon employees cash or stock options to create a false narrative to get a competitor kicked off of AWS.
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@Whitehat - "I blame the men of society."

And who raised those 'men'? Single mothers and the Marxist indoctrination centres known as public schools. So really, you should be blaming the Soviets who first infiltrated your systems in order to produce these weak men.

@CaptainKidd - This is why I've never bought into that bollocks. Cloud? Nope. Subscriptions? Nope. Games as a service? Nope.

For now, my software is still all permanent use one-time payment, or free/open source. I will keep it that way for as long as I'm able. I've always run my own web hosting and emails as well, for the same reasons. I don't trust other ****ers with my stuff, in short.
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The question to me at this point is what are alternative news and opinion sites like this one planning to do when we get to the point where they even physically get disconnected from the internet. Pretty sure we are going there. Would be a sad day indeed when only the mainstream news is even available.
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@Radiosity -- understood, but i basically disagree with you for the reasons in the post which you reference in your reply. Single mothers and the Marxist indoctrination centers known as schools came about due to men allowing such to happen. Blaming the Soviets is no different than passing the buck. No one can do something to you that you do not permit. Oh, there might be consequences, some severe or really, really harsh, but one can always take a stand within the parameters of the law.

My rule is that i will never ask someone to do something that i am not willing to do nor have done. In this **** system with all of these problems in a ground zero for liberalism, dysfunction and freedom and business repression i raised three children starting at the beginning as a single father when i was just starting out in life with other major handicaps and obligations. It ****ING SUCKED, and was a violation of every piece of advice that i would and did give to any man to not do such unless established or at all. I only had one choice in the matter which was to leave them to the system or commit.

It was my choice to do this, thus no sympathy required. However, once making this decision all of the absolutely definite ****ing reasons that i never wanted to do it in the first place became ****ing reasons to do it properly.

The results stand as an example to people who observed that it is possible.

A person can do many things if he commits himself.

What if every man did this or things similar?

Would add that most people who study communism note that part of the plan for its implementation was creating a type of corporatism and middle class culture based upon it. It is a type of corporate welfare state.

It was in the good time of the postwar period when we had undeserved prosperity, started bad monetary policy that really mundane people started living like the very upper classes for the first time in history with none of the requisite personal improvement. Note that in something called the manosphere people espousing this point are rather hated as people see the postwar boom as ideal in the nice life that people had then. They do not realize that this was the beginning of lowering standards and shutting off people's minds and a decline of the civic space. Materialism without personal improvement does not raise civic minded people, only consumers.

And, the early age of marriage and larger families were a departure for many cultural groups and definitely the entire country. Sure the schools were better then. In socialism in a relatively homogeneous and functional society the first wave of such is always at it best as people see it as a calling with their values still shared with their neighbors and still representing the earlier society. Most people do not realize that in the postwar boom the value system was already running on fumes, but it did not look like decline.

the minute people start looking at their culture in terms of lifestyle not strong culture, they can only be sold by the political class on maintaining that lifestyle, not the underlying values.

Schools and other things went to **** because the staff at these institutions eventually represented **** values, because the society had **** values.

It starts with the society. They create institutions which reflect themselves.

Now it makes sense why people only care about which politician is going to get the money out and keep them from facing a crisis.

The people of earlier eras could grok if it was necessary to take severe asset hits to fix problems or costs to fix necessary problems. Right now everyone is angling to not sacrifice at all.

This is individualism which is part of the Asiatic mindset most agreeable to communism.

But it was so nice when a high school graduate could buy a house and car in affordable suburbs for a very brief time in history. The schools were great and free, and everything was new. We were already deficit spending and borrowing then and never stopped.

Hence, men stopped feeling the need to improve or face their inadequacies. By extension they did not improve the places where they already lived as real men would have done. People became locusts.

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smiley Nuclear war is survivable.

Ameri-morons will finally learn when that one last stupid mistake unleashes consequences of compounding the previous mistakes into an epic, salient lesson. http://www.amerika.org/politics/arete-th....
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Once again you open the can of worms. They have shown that nothing on the cloud is safe. Any company is open to political blackmail now.

What I don't get is, why now? Who gains from this? Why not wait until Biden is "safely" installed in office about two weeks from now? Are they baiting Trump to do the unthinkable? Are they setting up justification for extreme measures?

You know that Obama passed ownership of ICANN (master DNS infrastructure) to the UN a few years ago. In addition, you also know that a DNS server can contain records of every internet site you have ever queried? Have you ever considered the implications, and how to protect yourself?
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Consider who owns 8.8.8.8, and consider how much data DNS queries add to your "profile".
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I saw a post on Parler (didn't screencap though) about Apple pulling them from the App Store. Founder of Parler claimed that Apple unilaterally made the decision to pull them without discussion and provided screenshots of the type of content that was the basis for the decision.
However, he claimed that the exact same content was cross-posted on Twitter. If that is the case, I imagine that he would have pretty good legal standing to go after them.

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I've been saying all along that the cloud concentrates risk. And the worst risk is the unforeseen, that which you can't plan for.

Come Monday morning as an IT security professional who works at a company that uses AWS, I plan on raising this risk first to my supervisor, and if blocked at that level, I will raise it directly to the CEO or board myself. If I get fired, so be it; I will accept it if they ignore it, but I will consider it a dereliction of duty to not document this risk.


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The Communists are United in all States to push their Tyranny.

Welcome to the new UST, the United States of Tyranny.

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Our brewing civil war has hit home. My boyfriend of 20 years has announced that he can no longer trust my judgment and thus must end our relationship, because of my belief that the 2020 presidential election was likely fraudulent.

He insists there is no evidence of irregularities, except perhaps on a very small scale, as there always is in any election. Neither Supreme Court justices nor any lower court judges found evidence of fraud and this settles the matter, unless I want to argue that a vast criminal conspiracy rules our legal system. He cannot now locate the video for my review, but insists he viewed footage on the BBC clearly demonstrating that Trump directed his minions to attack the government and cause a riot. (I do not watch TV myself, which is why I asked him to locate that video for me, so I could make my own judgment.)

On the issue of deplatforming and digital censorship, he also insists that the Dems are just as unhappy about it as the Repubs, but that Trump has stood in the way and prevented meaningful legislation on the issue. With Trump out of the picture, the Dems will shortly implement something to address this situation.

I am not sure what larger conclusions can be drawn from this sample of one household, but I am thinking it does not bode well for our country!
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Welcome to the bullet-successfully-dodged club, Playdough2.

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Hogwash. Jeff Bezos could have fired the whole lot of them. Plenty of well-trained coders the world over to replace the "engineers." The HR crowd can mostly be replaced by computers.

He just didn't want to.

Jeff has had it in for Donald Trump from day one. He just needed an excuse. On Wednesday, he got it.

One day we'll find out Jeff paid the expenses of the antifas who infiltrated the protest.

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"If, just because a company has differing political viewpoints...."

That was my take when I saw the news yesterday. It won't stop there. Think of the first question when calling into the call center for your financial provider: "Hello, Mr. Smith. I see here on your records that you were a registered Republican in the last two elections. We will need to terminate your life insurance policy. Have a nice day."

And that's just the beginning.

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If they did have the ability to monitor conversations on Parler, then any company that uses them is under watch just like being watched by the NSA. If this doesn't scare the **** out of anyone with an online presence, then you would be a fool not to find out who is the cloud service.
Our country is being taken over by communists right in front of our eyes.
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Anything not end-to-end encrypted (which is of course impossible if the point is to post it publicly to any group) must be presumed to be immediately and permanently accessible to anyone who might be an adversary.

Presuming otherwise is idiotic.

Further, presuming that anyone who has an end-to-end encrypted communication is only as secure as the person and device on which it is. If the person is compromised or the device is left unlocked or otherwise has the keying for that communication accessible then THAT's not secure either.

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Playdough2

Good God, depressing post. Before this week, it was pretty easy to hold the tongue to get along to go along.

It feels like we're approaching something we've never seen in our lifetimes in this country. Not sure what this will look like, but I can tell you it appears everyone is looking to escalate it.

After all the covid lockdowns and masks requirements and all, there are people out there with a lot less to lose today than where they were a year ago. You throw all this nonsense in the mix and, well, be very careful is all, you never know who will snap.

The courts never heard any evidence because they all refused to take the cases, even SCOTUS. They didn't have to rule one way or the other, but it was unwise to have thousands or millions of disgruntled people feel as if they have absolutely NO legal resource. That's never a good thing when people feel justice must be in their own hands... and after years and years of only certain people ever facing justice and such blatant disregard for laws, it feels like something is about to give. Look out below.
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Playdough2 - sorry to hear about your boyfriend/Significant other.

Today I had a revelation, we have now entered the time of choosing. Up until recently I was living under the illusion that it might be possible to co-exist with others who don't actively enable or do evil. Over the summer I interviewed with Facebook and I rationalized it to myself by saying that if I got hired I might be able to some good, or influence the org to stop practices like selling their users data to third parties.

I didn't get the job and I am now quite grateful that my income and ability to support my family is not directly dependent on one of the big tech companies. However, I think it is going to get harder from here. I can no longer associate with these companies in any way, shape of form. That might mean leaving my current job as we use AWS and support it indirectly through paying them revenue from the income the company I work for makes.

I am not sure if any of that is relevant to your situation but I will say that it is sad when it gets to the level of family or loved ones. Sometimes people can be "adult" enough to get past political differences to focus on what really matters. But sometimes they can't. I have always thought that it is hard enough to find a partner you can love and who will love you for who you are, not who they want you to be. If you find that person, political differences should be meaningless. Eliminating 50% of the potential candidates seems self-defeating. But to some, their identity is so tied up in something beyond who they really are, that they have to cling to their illusions.

Few courts to my knowledge ever did any discovery of evidence on election fraud or anything beyond dismissing cases on technical grounds. I would characterize claims of election fraud as "unproven" which is not the same as false. If the relationship is somehow recoverable, you might try that line of reasoning.




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