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Whitehat: You really need to go watch the news presser with gulliani and sidney powell the other day. I didn't make that up. They have multiple signed affidavits (3, I believe) from one location that say after the observers were removed from the counting room, a private vehicle pulled up to a back door and unloaded PRISTINE ballots from "garbage bags, waste baskets and boxes." They were unfolded "mail-in" ballots with precise coloring on the biden selection (like they were copied) and nothing else marked. Some of THOSE were run through the machines as many as three times.


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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.

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From July 2018
"Top Voting Machine Vendor Admits It Installed Remote-Access Software on Systems Sold to States" https://www.vice.com/en/article/mb4ezy/t....

When software can proportion votes a candidate need not campaign, only offer the highest bid to the company who supplies the count.

"ES&S is the top voting machine maker in the country, a position it held in the years 2000-2006 when it was installing pcAnywhere on its systems. The company's machines were used statewide in a number of states, and at least 60 percent of ballots cast in the US in 2006 were tabulated on ES&S election-management systems."



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Oh sweet Jesus......

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Trump's first election was probably the only honest result we've had in decades. Certainly wasn't an honest election, but they got caught out and didn't cheat enough for hillary.

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Did Trump appoint Chris Miller (who formed a special ops team) to secure the servers in Germany? Appointment Nov 9th and news of the raid broke on or about 14th. Timeline fits and the move makes sense to bypass anyone loyal to the deep state (Esper). Miller is well known to elite ranks of Army Special Forces
https://www.google.com/amp/s/justthenews....

Could this mean the good guys really do have the server?

Nov 19, Miller announces ALL special forces operations report directly to him bypassing the DoD. Is this move preparation for upcoming arrests?

Have deep state actors been taken to black ops sites? Recent increase in military flights credible or connected somehow?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llWUA86a0j....

Trump to drop MOAB?
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What if Trump got a FISA on Brennan? Easy enough to do. Think how this.plays out with the 2 hop rule.

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Step55 wrote..
ES&S is the top voting machine maker in the country, a position it held in the years 2000-2006 when it was installing pcAnywhere on its systems.


Gee, there's nothing more secure than pcAnywhere. What's all the fuss about? /sarc

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I'm actually pretty disappointed in @Tickerguy here because he's heavy on speculation and light on any facts or research, normally I would expect the opposite.

I think you finally realized what I meant that Georgia had performed a COMPLETE hand recount, the biggest ever in the US, and the tally matched the original vote, much of which was fed through dominion machines. This basically proves Sydney's theory is wrong, that dominion machines are changing actual votes. You're answer is "well they could have added fake paper ballots after", OK...where's the evidence of that? You don't have any, you're completely speculating. Georgia has CERTIFIED its vote, Georgia is run by REPUBLICANS, why would they certify the vote if they thought there was any way they could overturn the election for Trump? Lets use some basic logic folks

@Rickylc, just because machines were connected to a network before the election (I have no idea if true, going off your word which you provided no proof of) does not mean they were connected to a network during or after the election. If you say someone said it in an affidavit, you better go check and make sure that affidavit hasn't already been thrown out of court, because most have!

As far at the server you guys keep saying was seized, this was debunked days ago and the US Army itself even released a statement that it had not seized a Scytl server
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/techn....

The false claim appears to have originated with a Twitter post on Nov. 8 by a user, @zeynep_mol, who claimed to have heard about the raid. (I havent been able to confirm the accuracy yet, the account tweeted.) The story was then picked up by a little-known Indian news website, GreatGameIndia.
It was then repeated by Representative Louie Gohmert, Republican of Texas, during interviews with Newsmax, the conservative TV network, and Charlie Kirk, the right-wing activist, and has since been shared by other prominent conservatives hoping to cast doubt on the election outcome.

Funny origin story! The disinformation is apparently working based on you guys

Finally, if Syndney had all of this evidence of the greatest subversion of democracy in history, why wouldn't she bring that evidence to the DOJ to turbo charge this investigation? Barr ordered all Federal prosecutors to investigate any claims of election irregularities. Well it sounds like she has found a big irregularity! Why hasn't she brought it to them? Its simple, because she doesn't have the evidence she says she does. Even Tucker Carlson called her out and sees this for what it is. Kraken my ass



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Seems to me that count tampering could be accomplished solely by hacking the one machine that tallies all the precinct counts. Weighting of the separate precinct totals individually doesn't have to happen at the precinct level.

I've read that the precincts which will be audited are decided before the vote, so any worthwhile tampering could easily avoid those specific count totals and still completely control the end result. That would make the audit process look pristine.

I'm not certain about the preselected audit business, but if true that would enable widespread fraud without fear of being detected by the usual means.

Should any of this prove true, it would justify a return of the guillotine and public executions en masse, just to highlight the point for future generations.


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I think you finally realized what I meant that Georgia had performed a COMPLETE hand recount, the biggest ever in the US, and the tally matched the original vote, much of which was fed through dominion machines. This basically proves Sydney's theory is wrong, that dominion machines are changing actual votes. You're answer is "well they could have added fake paper ballots after", OK...where's the evidence of that? You don't have any, you're completely speculating. Georgia has CERTIFIED its vote, Georgia is run by REPUBLICANS, why would they certify the vote if they thought there was any way they could overturn the election for Trump? Lets use some basic logic folks

The chain of custody and information embargo required for secure election tabulation was intentionally broken on election night on a synchronized basis between multiple states.

Now this does not prove that fraud occurred standing alone. But what it DOES prove is that the results are no longer certifiable without determining that EVERY ballot that is in the stack was in fact legitimately cast by a qualified-and-registered-to-vote person and I don't care if the Governor certified it or not. What is fact is fact, and the fact is that once you start tabulating in a given jurisdictional unit, whatever that might be, you cannot allow any information to leave that location until tabulation is complete. If you do then you open the window to trivial fraud through the stuffing of ballots post-hoc into the stream of those to be counted.

Why does not Sydney do what you demand? Among other reasons because doing so is a gross violation of proper legal procedure. You do not present evidence to the media before you give it to a court. That is exactly the sort of slanted bull**** that was run with Travon Martin which convinced an awful lot of people that Zimmerman murdered him and which in the fullness of time was proved not only false but a malicious lie; among information deliberately suppressed by the media was selective editing that hid the fact that he had a fairly serious head injury documented on a surveillance camera immediately after the incident happened, an injury which the media claimed didn't exist. In fact it did exist, it could have only reasonably occurred by Zimmerman having his head bashed against a sidewalk and, under the law, such is in fact legal justification to use deadly force in self-defense.

I remind you that once this was proved up in a court of law Zimmerman was acquitted and I tore apart the media and the claims of the prosecution's side at the start on this exact basis. In fact I went to political war within the Libertarian party as an EC member at the time over certain members of the party trying to use the incident for political purposes while the evidence of tampering was present but the questions raised by same were not yet resolved. Said tampering does not PROVE the other side is right but nobody ****s with a process unless they intend to try to do something evil; we are then in the mode of trying to figure out if they managed to pull it off or not.

That's where we are today and within the next two weeks we shall know if the smoke alarm going off was due to someone cooking a turkey or an actual dumpster fire where evidence was tampered with or destroyed.

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"The chain of custody and information embargo required for secure election tabulation was intentionally broken on election night on a synchronized basis between multiple states."

Can you explain where you are getting this from? Just saying this doesn't make it true.

Also you were going on about Georgia shredding, 2 second google search:
https://cobbcountycourier.com/2020/11/do....

The county came out with a statement explaining exactly what was being shredded and that all information relevant to the election is still on file

Last, I didn't say Sydney should go to the media, I said she should go to the DOJ, why are you arguing with a point I didn't make? Why do you think she won't go to the DOJ and let real prosecutors investigate her claims?
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Just saying they only shredded non election material doesnt make it true

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@Wildbill - Gee, do I need to perform an upper-body workout this morning?

You're telling me that what was reported on every major news network -- that there was a hard-stop of tabulation in only the swing states that occurred at the same time didn't happen? What, all the major networks made that up?

That after said "hard stop" it was later proved false when vehicles pulled up at Cobo Hall (now renamed) full of ballots? If the workers had ACTUALLY stopped and gone home there would have been nobody there and said vehicles would have had to wait until the next morning. But they didn't wait until next morning, did they?

Yes, Cobb County SAYS there was no improper destruction of evidence. Uh huh. Sure. I believe them. Like I believe that four states all decided to stop counting ballots AT THE SAME TIME independently, all at once, and that at least one of them was PROVED to have lied that everyone involved had gone home for the night to sleep?

Why are not the workers at Cobo and the supervisors all under arrest for fraud? They faked closing down for the night and the evidence is conclusive, proved by the fact that they then received and counted additional ballots after telling the observers to leave as they were shutting down, turning off the lights and going home themselves. THEY LIED.

As for your last sentence now YOU are the one making wild accusations. The campaign is not bound by your demands. May I point out that the very same DOJ has been proved, by irrefutable evidence, to have wire-tapped Trump under knowing false pretense in the time leading up to and following the 2016 election and nobody has gone to jail for doing so.

That's not "wild conjecture" -- at this point it is not only proved fact but it is also proved fact that evidence was intentionally destroyed (phones and more) which is a SEPARATE felony standing alone, and nobody has been arrested for that either.

Again, what's your problem with DUE PROCESS OF LAW?

Let me guess -- you had a problem with it when Martin was killed too, right? You just wanted to throw Zimmerman in prison forever or even give him the needle before said due process of law had played out, even when there was hard evidence (as there is in THIS case) that the so-called "justice system" has been perverted?

Why haven't YOU demanded that everyone involved in said prior wiretapping stand trial and ultimately go to prison? You've had FOUR YEARS to do it, so where is it? I've been on this **** since it started and I do not like Trump one bit.

You've already destroyed your own credibility by expecting someone to go to the very same DOJ that got caught RED HANDED breaking a dozen felony wiretapping laws and obstructing justice on top of it. They ran their obstruction operation for roughly three years in coordination with the Democrat Party who ran an impeachment on that same set of false claims until it finally blew up in their face.

That's now been conclusively proved as has the fact that the DOJ perjured itself in court while trying to jail Flynn on a knowingly-false charge.

I'll wait for the clock to run out or the cases to be filed and disposed of one way or another. There is a prima-facia case of tampering with the security protocols necessary for a clean tabulation of results. That was proved ON ELECTION NIGHT and yet exactly ZERO people are under arrest.

But that doesn't change the outcome standing by itself.

We shall see whether the evidence is there to support the allegations or not when said evidence is presented, or not, in a formal and appropriate venue.

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WildBill creates an account just to defend voting fraud.

Karl I wouldn't be surprised is they are a paid operative.

What do you know about them?

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Ok this is probably my last response since you are clearly just shooting from the hip and not checking out any of your claims and verifying their veracity before posting wild speculations.

First off, the "hard stop" of tabulation never happened. Both politifact and factcheck.org gave this a FALSE rating. If you can find proof that it actually happened, please provide it!

Next, Bill Barr's DOJ did not do any wire tapping on Trump, that was under a different administration. You of course know this, Why argue in bad faith? Bill Barr has done exactly as Trump has asked on multiple occasions and is clearly a capable operator. If you don't think he could take Sydney's amazing evidence of voter fraud on a grand scale and babysit it to the finish line, I don't know what to tell you.

I don't have a problem with them using due process of law, but that isn't what is happening here.

Their strategy isn't to win court cases to overturn the election, it is a PR campaign meant to sow chaos and confusion which is aimed at republican legislators in swings states. They want said legislators to overturn the legitimate votes of the people in their state and send different electors to the electoral college. That's why he is inviting these legislators to the White House, you seriously think they are talking about COVID funding??

Are you Ok with that kind of perversion of our democracy? You think overturning people's votes in multiple states because "your guy" didn't win is ok? What's patriotic about that view? Where is that in the constitution? Stop swimming in baseless conspiracy theories and look at what is actually going on



Lemon wants to silence me, now that is funny, the conservative freedom lover doesn't like my thoughts so Karl- can you shut him up lol. I really must have hit a nerve, sorry having your worldview challenged is so tough for you Lemon. I'm sure my paymasters will be very happy with the 10 whole people I have interacted with on this thread. How deep does your rabbit hole go Lemon? good lord

Honest reason I am here is I have a huge bet on the outcome of this election. I have read Karl for over a decade and always love reading his heterodox views. When he said he thought these claims of fraud could be 35% true that perked up my ears and made me want to understand what information he was analyzing to come to that conclusion. Believe it or not I could still hedge my bets if I came across a solid information stream. Unfortunately I don't think Karl has looked deeply into this subject yet, so I haven't learned much. That's OK, he doesn't have to know everything about everything all the time. Looking forward to his future posts though if he does do some deep research in this area

Reason: Lemon is a douche
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Banhammer in 3... 2.... 1...

("Tabulating didn't stop")

smiley

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@ Wildbill

Sleepy Joe, is that you?
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You're right @Wildbill but you're the one who has been slinging around baseless allegations since you showed up with a registered account here (and, in addition, never believe you can do anything on the Internet and not have people be able to figure out who you are.)

One at a time on the rest.
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First off, the "hard stop" of tabulation never happened. Both politifact and factcheck.org gave this a FALSE rating. If you can find proof that it actually happened, please provide it!

Oh, "politifarce"? I guess I didn't actually sit up until well after it happened on election night PERSONALLY and see it both on TV in the bar and then here at my home on streaming coverage? Why I suppose I should take some hack's site to be 'truth' when it contradicts what I watched with my own eyes as all the swing states -- and only the swing states -- allegedly shut down for the night until the next morning.

Imagine my surprise when the next morning as I'm sipping my espresso I see that one of the "shut down" sites recorded a huge chunk of votes for Biden four hours after it allegedly "shut down". I mean, it's not like that I didn't WATCH IT.

That's sort of like sitting in a bar, watching a guy come in and try to rob the place, he gets shot by the bartender in the face and then the "news" says there was no shooting. Well **** me dead, my ears are still ringing and his brains are still all splattered in my hair.
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Next, Bill Barr's DOJ did not do any wire tapping on Trump, that was under a different administration. You of course know this, Why argue in bad faith? Bill Barr has done exactly as Trump has asked on multiple occasions and is clearly a capable operator. If you don't think he could take Sydney's amazing evidence of voter fraud on a grand scale and babysit it to the finish line, I don't know what to tell you.

Meh. How many charges has Bill Barr brought against those who obstructed justice? Zero. Yet that they did it is now proved. That the Steele Dossier was paid for by the Clinton campaign was proved. That this piece of election propaganda (perfectly legal in that context) was fed into the DOJ and FBI and used as a predicate for an illegal wiretapping and surveillance operation has also been proved.

All of these facts have been proved.

If you do not understand how civil service works and its problems when it gets corrupted like this I don't know what to tell you. But that did happen, and it is corrupt. At this point I would not trust the DOJ to tell me water is wet. Unfortunately that same sort of problem has existed in the DOJ for quite some time, particularly with politically-sensitive legal issues. Witness the lack of prosecution of ANY of the fraudsters after the 2008 housing crash. ZERO. Yet after the EXACT SAME CONTROL FRAUDS took place in the 1980s there were literally THOUSANDS of prosecutions and hundreds of people went to prison.
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I don't have a problem with them using due process of law, but that isn't what is happening here.

Their strategy isn't to win court cases to overturn the election, it is a PR campaign meant to sow chaos and confusion which is aimed at republican legislators in swings states. They want said legislators to overturn the legitimate votes of the people in their state and send different electors to the electoral college. That's why he is inviting these legislators to the White House, you seriously think they are talking about COVID funding??

Are you Ok with that kind of perversion of our democracy? You think overturning people's votes in multiple states because "your guy" didn't win is ok? What's patriotic about that view? Where is that in the constitution?

First off, Trump is not "my guy"; so you can **** right off right now. But -- neither is Biden. I have plenty of written history that I cannot alter on that point; I've been up Trump's ass since he announced his candidacy and did NOT vote for him.

As to your other assertion such lobbying and its potential outcome actually it IS in the Constitution. Right here:
Constitution wrote..
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

Note that it does not say "as state LAW shall direct", it says as the LEGISLATURE shall direct.

The entire electoral system in our nation exists for the EXACT REASON that is going on right here, right now. The states are expected to run a secure and fundamentally fair system. In GA there is a pending case (which Lin Wood lost but is appealing) that directly implicates the 14th Amendment equal protection clause. If the state had mandated that all black people had to walk 10 blocks to get to the polls and whites could park right outside there would be a RIOT by noon.

Well, there are claims of that general nature raised; SOME counties permitted cures of absentee ballots and others did not. The entire premise of a vote is that they all count with the same weight and the USSC has so-ruled repeatedly. This is not the only outstanding claim by any means.

There are MULTIPLE checks and balances when it comes to the Presidential election. First is the fact that you vote for electors, not for the President. Second is that there is no right as a matter of Federal Law for your vote for electors to count at all! If a given State Law has no "or else" in their election code that's THEIR problem. I have long pointed out that any such "law" without an "or else" is not a law at all; it is a mere suggestion. Such appears to be the case in this instance.

In the end there are hard deadlines for any legal challenges; that clock runs in December. But there is one last check and balance, and that is Congress can refuse to count the EV certificate(s) from one or more states. The process for this is clearly delineated, and if it occurs then it leads to series of privileged (meaning not subject to filibuster or undue delay) actions leading to a vote to either accept or not said certificate. If, at the end of this, there is nobody with 270+ EVs then the House picks the President and the Senate the VP, with one vote PER STATE, not per Representative or Senator.

This is how it IS.

The test of whether you believe in the Constitution comes when it leads to a result you may not personally like. The fact is that the process in question here is entirely Constitutional and it is entirely within the political parties to lobby the Legislatures to do something like this if they so choose.

How do you defend against that? You run a CLEAN AND DEFENSIBLE election in the first instance. You don't use Covid19 as a foil to keep watchers from both parties, who under State Law have the right to examine the canvass and challenge ballots, too far away to do so. What kept the counties from using seroconverted, that is, IgG-having persons, in the counting room who had NO FEAR WHATSOEVER of getting Covid19? Nothing! Yet they DECIDED not to, and then DECIDED that a pandemic means they could BREAK THE LAW in their states.

Well fine, go ahead and do it, but by doing that you have given rise to the EXACT circumstance you are in now, and since you did it willingly and intentionally SHUT THE **** UP AND SIT DOWN.
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I am.

You don't believe in the Constitution at all; you only like it when it suits you.

Go run that **** somewhere else.

 

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Lin Wood lost


afaik he didn't lose, his attempt to get a TRO was thrown out. His main lawsuit remains, and he expects it to go to circuit appeals or supreme court..


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I was wondering how long that was going to take. I like how he backed up one of his claims by linking the NYT. smiley
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Well yes, he lost -- he tried to get a TRO to block certification and failed.

As I noted the litigation is not dead by any means; he has said he will appeal, and I suspect he will indeed appeal. I find his argument to be quite persuasive, given that the courts do not have the right to re-structure legislation, especially by "settlement" in this case, since the Legislature never consented.

Now had the parties to the litigation put the purported settlement before the Legislature and had it passed as a bill, then signed by the Governor, that would comport with the law. But that's not what they did; ONE POLITICAL PARTY essentially colluded with the SoS to REWRITE state law in a Judge's chambers which is not lawful since said code MUST be drawn by the legislature.

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Thanks Asimov -- appreciate the clarification. This means that everyone in the counting room, especially the supervisor needs to be arrested immediately. There is probable cause to seize the delivery vehicle and search its owner's house.

BTW anyone who observed this could have made an immediate citizen's arrest. I am very familiar with the process.

i get it, arresting people is often abused. However, when legitimate it often starts the process of finding more information and suspects.

Did anyone take a picture of the vehicle and its license plate or the act of unloading and transferring these materials to the counting room. Everyone in America seems to have a smartphone. Well ...

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Whitehat: I believe they called the police who wouldn't do anything when they did. They could have done a CA though as you point out.

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Thanks Patentleathershoes -- that is official misconduct on the part of the police. Courts have held that refusing to arrest or investigate can be considered such especially when it involves other officials.

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smiley Nuclear war is survivable.

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The AG of MI is worse the our Queen Bitch!!!

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