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Tickerguy
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@Wildbill - Predictit is maxed on contracts.

Given their line .vs. my view I did try!

I seem to remember one Al "Douche" Gore asserting that it's not over until it's over.

If it was good enough for him what's the problem with letting this run to exhaustion? If it destroys Guiliani when he and Sydney get sued to beyond the orbit of Mars for defamation then so be it.

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You of course know the answer to that... Gore and Bush were arguing over 1 state and 600 (?) votes. Trump needs to overturn 3 states and 10s - 100s of thousands of votes...

Gore also wasn't alleging the biggest ever global conspiracy to subvert democracy

Glad you were willing to put some money up! Most aren't

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We shall see.

When two attorneys with nice houses and a crap-ton of assets will go on TV and make statements that are per-se defamatory if false I pay attention.

Can't get sued for doing it in a filing but you sure as hell WILL get sued doing it on TV. I've been a CEO and know where the line is. That was "nuke em to Mars" over it if unfounded.

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Maybe I am missing something here with the Dominion thing.

Isn't it as simple as running a test on one of these machines? Run 50K ballots for Trump and 50K for Biden through the scanner/box and compare the tabulation to the sample.

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The silence on all this from The Left is deafening. One would think they would be squealing like stuck pigs, but we hear NOTHING.

Scary version: How long has The Left been using this system to steal elections? What happens if that can be proven?

The facts that the Right isn't scattering and the Left is quiet tells me quite a bit. BOTH OF THOSE are 100% inverted from how things normally are in DC.

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Oh, you think both sides don't cheat?

How quaint.

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@Greenacr you aren't missing anything. Georgia just did a hand recount of paper ballots and it matched up with what the dominion machines counted. Blows a pretty big hole in Sydney's Kraken

Also, Trump won multiple states that used the dominion machines... guess the communist Venezuelan globalists missed those states? Some major mental gymnastics happening here to keep believing this stuff
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Not necessarily.

If the machines were network connected then it's trivial to game it with a short "pause". Which happened. And said connection has no LEGAL purpose.

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Wildbill "@Greenacr you aren't missing anything. Georgia just did a hand recount of paper ballots and it matched up with what the dominion machines counted. Blows a pretty big hole in Sydney's Kraken

Seems to me that if I wanted the fraud to be successful I would have some of the sure Trump States count perfectly while targeting the fraud towards the few swing states in contention.

The chatter on the internet regarding the server raid in Germany is very interesting. How long would it take someone to do a forensic dissection of that device? My guess is that it is days not weeks but outside of my area of expertise.
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I don't follow how a short pause on the machines could game a hand recount of paper ballots. Are you referring to something else?
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Nope.

Why pause?

Because the count, when all the ballots are in, tells you how many you need to print up and deliver.

Jesus, that's not obvious?

There is NO legitimate reason to have the tabulators on ANY network. Ever. Period.

This is a public place or I'd go a LOT further with what should happen to anyone who connected them to ANY outside resource -- and anyone who's dumb enough to not be able to IMMEDIATELY recognize the problem.

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And when it becomes an overwhelming number, you get them delivered in a private vehicle using garbage cans, garbage bags and boxes. Why? Because you had to print up *SO MANY* more than you expected to.

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They have no business being connected to the internet and especially not on election night.

The final tally can be delivered on a separate connection.

As Karl said. And I'll go further, It's enough to have people swinging from ropes who connect voting machines to the internet while it's tabulating.

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The integrity of elections requires that until an election unit is COMPLETE in tabulating votes NO INFORMATION LEAVES THE ROOM.

This is non-negotiable. You violate this you swing NOW.

If you do not understand how security works in such an environment then sit down and shut the **** up. End of discussion.

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Asi,

I missed where they were coming in garbage cans.

Holy ****. That's some weapons grade turbo-fraud there.

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Lemonaid: Yup. That bad.

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@Greenacr, looking at machines could take just a day if they were amateurs. It could take weeks if they were good.
After this amount of time, why would anything suspicious not have been wiped? With the importance of the vote in a nuclear country, the threat which should have been considered is NSA-level hackers from Israel or wherever.

A network connected voting machine is stupid. A network connected voting machine should be presumed to have been hacked. I'm not interested in hearing speculation that maybe it could only route over a VPN etc. Assume the mothership is also hacked.

Consider the Swiss crypto company the CIA and Germans had owned for decades. Anyone think Dominion is not controlled by the likes of CIA or Israel?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/....

Who thinks Giuliani isn't their guy playing his role? He has been in the swamp for decades. He is the swamp.
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Again BASIC SECURITY says that NO INFORMATION LEAVES THE ROOM UNTIL COUNTING IS COMPLETE.

I don't give a **** how many pictures you take, or what you record. All that is fine. But nothing leaves the secure area until it's done. Period.

Non-negotiable.

The entire area where you're working is sealed. Yes, including bathrooms. Nothing goes in or out. Period. No RF, no cables, nothing. Period.

Violate the protocol and you swing. NOW. Not tomorrow, now. And the entire election unit is thrown out. No exceptions. You plug in one cable, show up with one cell phone, emit one RF signal. you're done.

This is basic folks. To steal you have to know "how much." To learn how much you need information. Nope. Hard stop.

This BASIC security protocol folks.

I am by no means the smartest man on the planet but this is ****ing obvious to anyone with more than two IQ points to rub together.

**** this country.
We deserve what's coming.

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What did I miss? You went from saying:

IF the machines were network connected then it's trivial to game it with a short "pause".

To acting like this connection definitely happened, you have some proof of that that no one is sharing in the thread?

The machines Georgia uses do not connect to the internet (https://sos.ga.gov/admin/uploads/Voter%2....

Like the existing voting machines, the new machines do not connect to the Internet, which limits cybersecurity risks. They also create an auditable paper ballot, with other enhanced review capabilities for the public.

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Over-turning the election seems less important to me than sending as many people to federal prison for dicking elections as possible.

You have to clear ****ing house to save your institutions.
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Asimov -- wow, wow, made my antennae go up. admit that i have not followed this BS as closely and do not know all discovered actions or what people are saying might have been done. If what you mentioned regarding the garbage technique is from only your own mind, then it is either some gifted speculation or solid knowledge. It is a useful technique. If i noticed that you mentioned it, others did.

In one of Rudy's television talks he mentioned that the envelopes which identify the voter (election district, voter ID number, signature, etc.), contain the private ballot and are sealed until separated under controlled conditions are, "Thrown away," his words. This makes no sense. Once separated from the ballot, yes, they do not have any link to how he actually voted but prove who did or did not vote and, most importantly, should be a 1 to 1 count with the ballots.

There is no privacy lost by identifying an individual voter as voting as these records have always been kept and available for inspection. This has to be known as in many states not voting in an election x number of times cancels the voter registration.

A somewhat longer term project would be to chase down every voter who supposedly voted. A **** load of "ballots" can be delivered through reverse garbage, however falsifying the cover envelopes which have a lot of identifying information is another matter. It is as simple as counting 1 to 1 for the first investigation and then running down the voters.

Could start a movement where voters take a picture of the security envelope before they insert it into the mailing envelope. Yea, voting by mail is pure ****. We tried to warn you.

Even if the election was not fraudulent by an amount that changes the result, it just told the American people that dishonesty is even much more easy to get away with, very much prevalent, and that this is further evidence of how society really works. Who wants to be the chump in a society where honesty and respecting the law are a liability?

When the people give up on their morals, character and ethics nothing can save a republic.

Perhaps this was the intended result.

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@Wildbill -- There is hard evidence (in the form of video and people calling the cops) that Georgia election officials called a shredding company and destroyed evidence. How much destruction they got away with is unknown.

That ANY of it happened, and there is evidence it did, is enough for everyone involved to swing and the entire areas where it happened be thrown out. Period. Further, in Detroit there were multiple reports of the counting machines being network-connected. If so, everyone swings and Wayne County gets thrown out.

When under legal challenge nothing is destroyed or modified. This is not negotiable. It's a FELONY to do so; formally, Obstruction of Justice.

I ran a corporation for a long time and as a matter of routine operations we got outside subpoenas on a somewhat-regular basis. If you have any reason to believe you're about to get legal process of any sort, or if whatever is going on is subject to current dispute it is a serious criminal offense to tamper with any evidence that is or might be material. You have NO AUTHORITY to determine what is and what is not material; that's up to lawyers to fight out and judges to oversee but you, as either a target or a third party entity, have ZERO authority to make that determination. Ever.

The signed element of the ballot envelope package goes directly to whether or not the ballots were actually from real people registered to vote. That's subject to challenge. You cannot destroy that until all challenges are satisfied one way or another as it's material evidence.

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@Wildbill, elections were delayed in georgia in several counties due to a remotely triggered update the night before/morning of the election to machines that weren't connected then?

sure...

if you care to look at all at the information that has come out in dominions own manuals it becomes obvious.
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Well now to be fair it appears that Georgia DID hand-recount at least some areas and found tallys by hand-recount that matched. So be it.

But -- were those ballots legit? Good question. That the count was accurate does not mean the paper was from actual voters and entered the ballot stream through regular process. All of this has to be proved AND that the count was stopped implies that was not the case.

How do airgapped machines get updated on the day of the election?

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Seems to me that a federal voters ID is necessary. Fingerprint on it has to match with fingerprint you provide while voting. Then allow in person voting for no more than one week. Each candidate is allowed to ask for a manual recount anywhere they want to pay for it. Pay for it though at 50 cents per ballot. Absentee ballots must be postmarked by the USPS. No later than the Friday before the election. Same thing here with voter id. Fingerprint must match that on file. Signature must match as well. A system such as this can't be difficult to set up, and our Republic is worth it.

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