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Supernumb
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If any of you haven't been hanging around The Gateway Pundit lately, they've been all over this for at least a week. There is a lot of "smell test fail" evidence there. Court of law is a different matter, but I don't need that to know what's what. And I do. And as roughly 73M people are sort of thinking right about now: "man, oh man, that's some serious reputation on the line if the claims are not legit."
Expat_tom
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I have no doubt that a lot of Joe Biden voters must be rolling over in their graves at the attempts by the Trump campaign to disenfranchise them.

I just cannot buy in to an effort to call massive fraud on the Presidency without calling the other Democratic Institution that arguably are more important and have yet to see real numbers that reflect the narrative being advanced, that there is widespread voter fraud and it ONLY happened to affect the one race where Democracy really matters the least.

I am certain that in some places there were a few batches that ONLY had Biden filed in, but to alleged such a massive conspiracy affects vastly more than the Presidency.

The Presidency isn't really that important to the health of the Republic, the Congress is. There is no Republic without a Congress.

I think that is what they are telling themselves to justify undermining confidence in the process anyway. It can only be one of a few options.

1. There was widespread fraud but it ONLY affected the Presidency
2. There was widespread fraud and it undermines the entire thing
3. There was no widespread fraud but they are willing to go with the narrative to retain power, and will justify/rationalize it because of the arguments I've made, that the institution isn't all that Democratically important anyway.
4. There was no widespread fraud and they haven't thought about the implications of their actions at all.

In my mind, all the options are equally as bad.

Rather than summoning the State Legislature members to the Whitehouse to attempt to pressure them or buy them off, the right thing to do (which is how I know we are not going to do it), is to trust the States and their decisions, whatever those turn out to be, because going down this road will not end well.
Themortgagedude
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Ballots are being folded frantically in back rooms in Atlanta as we speak.

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Cobra2411
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There's plenty of evidence of fraud. Can it be proven in court is the real question...

The dems were supposed to crush it all over but they got roasted in the house and senate. They're telling house members not to take Biden appointments for fear republicans would get in...

You can't tell me the country is overwhelmingly in love with the GOP - except Trump and they hate him so much they'd rather have Biden... Smells like yesterdays sushi...

Trump is a master baiter. I think they had a case to start with and are trying to strengthen it. I also think there's going to be a hell of a lot of people who will riot and lose their **** that Trump stole the election... He better be ready to not pussy foot around and start declaring these groups as domestic terrorist groups. He also better go after facebook, twitter, etc for election interference... No bull**** Cruz soundbites either - jail... They need jail, or worse...

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Oh I'm willing to bet if you gave me 10 minutes with a handful of these "too perfect" ballots I could scientifically prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were not filled out by individual human beings.

Just give me 10 or 20 of 'em that are sequential "as fed" into the machine and another 10 or 20 that are KNOWN not to be corrupted.

The problem is that there better either be 500 heavily-armed cops or 50,000 heavily-armed civilians there when I do the analysis, on video for everyone to watch live, because if I find what I think I'm going to find there will not be one person in America who doesn't believe it and at that point there are only two options for what happens next.

One is jail for a whole lot of people right here and now.

The other is worse.

That this has not already been done, live where everyone can see it, and the results made public in real time tells me everything I need to know. They know ******n well what any such analysis is going to find and you can bet every effort, including tossing diesel fuel on the paper and lighting it on fire or throwing the entire lot through the paper shredder, will be made to prevent that.

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Asimov
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Where are the FBI?

I can't get this to link to the right time, so you'll have to click. (it will only embed at a time a couple minutes before I want it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQCdCSD....

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Bearcubs9497
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I don't trust the states for ****.
Jack_crabb
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Quote:
there will not be one person in America who doesn't believe it


I think you severely underestimate the skulls full of mush of the leftists. I doubt there is ANYTHING that the entire country would agree upon at this stage of the game.

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Molon Labe
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Jack_crabb
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The Presidency isn't really that important to the health of the Republic, the Congress is. There is no Republic without a Congress.


Oh, silly me, I thought the Founding Fathers established 3 co-equal branches of government. I guess I'm wrong and the executive branch just doesn't count. Learn something new here everyday.

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Molon Labe
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Tickerguy
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@Jack_crabb -- Naw -- if this really was what it looks like there was no time to be careful in any form or fashion, and proof of it will be trivially discovered.

Like I said, live on video, there will be zero doubt if I'm right. And anyone else who has a shred of capacity in terms of thinking about as to what you'd look at first would follow not much of a different path. You hit paydirt just once and it's over -- and it's irrefutable.

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Lemonaid
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If it's printed and off the same printer.

It's absolute irrefutable proof of fraud.


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Motive: This is the easy one, control the highest office in the land.

Opportunity: When poll watchers were sent away.

Means: I think Karl just showed one of the many ways this theft was achieved.

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There is probably a great deal of bargaining happening behind the scenes

Do you want door number one, the devil you know, and a chance to lick your wounds and come back in four years? Or do you want door 2 or 3? We are steadily approaching the window of opportunity where door 1 shuts forever

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Jack_crabb
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I have no doubt whatsoever you are correct - I saw your post delineating it. I just really question the "shred of capacity in terms of thinking" in those indoctrinated by public schools for 12-16 years and having been lied to by the press for at least that long.

I KNOW you are correct, but I, in all seriousness, question the reasoning ability of the majority of the people in this country.

Yeah, I'm a bit jaded...

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Molon Labe
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My personal F you forever list includes voting. Can we definitely say that our vote counts? No, and this election proves it, and this is especially true if you're stuck in a state that leans hard left where your vote is drowned out.

Also, I've seen many people say things online like, "Don't come out here to my state. Stay in X state. You voted for Y problem, now you fix it." Well, I can tell you that no one I know voted for Gov. Newsom and I know thousands of people in CA. These politicians elect themselves.
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Jack_crabb: Not in the Democratic sense.

If it was the Founders would have made the election of the President and the Supreme Court a franchise. They didn't, in fact they went to great lengths to avoid the President being elected by Populism.

At the time of the founding, half of the States didn't even have a popular vote. In the second elections, it was even less, only six of fifteen State had a popular vote, a little less than 2/3rds of the nation explicitly DIDN'T subscribe to the notion of a popular vote.

In those States without a popular vote, the State Legislatures picked the Electors and that was that.

If I recall correctly it wasn't for a full generation, until about John Quincy Adams that the concept of a Popular Vote had worked its way through all of the States.
Gauntlet33
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Karl said, "Oh I'm willing to bet if you gave me 10 minutes with a handful of these "too perfect" ballots I could scientifically prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were not filled out by individual human beings."

I have no doubt that you would prove the fraud to us and Republicans. However, I've come to realize that politics is now exactly like religion where most people don't have the mental capacity to switch and say, "You're right" -- even when presented with clear facts. That's why I remember people saying 20 years ago when I was dating the 2 things never to discuss early in the relationship: religion and politics -- both deal-breakers for women.
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@Expat_Tom - I don't follow. What does a popular vote have to do with 3 co-equal branches of government? While not perfect, I consider the US Constitution to be the best government men have ever conceived.

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Molon Labe
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Themortgagedude
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Tinman saw the same thing I saw (Sidney)but interpreted it differently. He saw someone scared for their life. I saw someone so angry that they would kill for their cause. Either way the raw emotion you can see in her tells you that she's seen the evidence. She knows they've committed treason and at this point she has no choice but to see this through.

I'm going to rewatch this part.

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Comrader
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yeah,You would be the guy that I would like to have examine some of those ballots. I will never forget your analysis of Obamas' birth certificate. I even know what kerning is thanks to you.
Wayiwalk
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This is interesting to read as a brief news story caught my eye earlier today that basically hammered Guiliani as putting up a poor performance. Curse me for taking that bait.

But as was noted by Karl in many earlier posts on this forum, there was plenty of fraud in the 2016 elections that was identified and generally few persons went to jail....and forget the incompetence of some folks running the polls that were in democrapic strong holds....they went quietly into retirement.

Remember the story of the box of ballots found in the trunk of a rental car in FL in 2016? Nothing to see here. And was anyone prosecuted?

Most Americans take it as a joke the expression, "Vote Early and Often", and have always assumed that there was ballot stuffing in the cities....well, this time it might have made a difference for a national election...just as annoying is that, hell, if Bedpan did win, so be it - but we'll never know for sure.

So, my take away is this - the Democrats stole this election - fair and square.

And I haven't budged from my earlier contention, (trying to express it clearly) - the coup already happened, but I'll add, not "really", but for all intents and purposes.

My measure is that rule of law is held inconsistently, basically since the bubble of 1999. Now that we see it through our election process, it is possible to see the extent of the rot.

I'm afraid that this country will hobble to its fiscal death in 2023....smiley Dead on Arrival.
Expat_tom
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Jack_crabb: I'm saying that the ****show of an election of a Presidency is really irrelevant and not original intent, it is the plenary power of the Legislatures to do what the they want, regardless of how we vote and what ever laws they pass on the subject.

Election Laws really can't bind anything on a Presidential Election, the selection of Electors is a Plenary Power of the Legislature and they can disregard or accept the popular will as they see fit, fraud or no fraud. It is only by mass delusion and moving away from the intent of the Founders that we find ourselves here.

If we are to be concerned about election fraud, we should be concerned about it's impact on the Congress.
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The left have been brain washed to believe Trump is literally Hitler and no amount of evidence will change that. God could come down himself and they will still deny it...

And they've already proven they'll resort to violence.

My opinion is that they intended to commit fraud in many different places so if you did find something it wouldn't make a difference. I truly believe Trump crushed it beyond all measures.

Anyway I'm enjoying my popcorn either way this goes...

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If the uncreased ballots were indeed printed (filling in the bubble for Biden perfectly)- most of not all printers leave a hidden set of microdots on the page telling which printer made the mark on the ballot. It would be so sweet to catch the fraudsters this easily.
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I hope Trump wins via actual proof and then investigates, tries, and jails both Republicans and democrats for election fraud.

Instant swamp drainage.

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