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Tickerguy
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Yep @Loonster -- they know what the numbers are.

And they know the "positive test" numbers are impossible against those sero surveys, which means the "positives" are flat-out frauds.

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Tickerguy: Remember all of the mystery vaping illness like eighteen to twenty-four months ago?

Not to drift in to conspiracy land but...

I would be willing to bet parts of my anatomy if that if were to do a post mortem on a large sampling of those that died, and serological and antibody response testing on those that survived, they would almost all be Rona.
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Not sure on that one. But..... it certainly is interesting isn't it? There never was, to my knowledge, conclusive evidence presented as to the cause of the lung destruction -- just a theory that it was the Vitamin E Acetate "cutting" material.

You'd think they could have proved it... if they cared to.

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Karl, curious as to why you have a cutoff at age 50 for advising people not to enter social gathering places without the concurrent variable of a comorbidity. It seems a little young. I'll be there in about two years and even with my condition would have no concern.

Even when i do catch something, like recently when i went carb stupid, the body feels much stronger afterwards. Even my physician noticed it this time. Kind of rebooting the immune system. Folks older than me who spend a lot of time with younger people and get a lot of exposures in general seem to be a lot healthier in every instance that i have seen over many years. Possible selection effect, dunno.

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smiley Gonna be a wild ride.
smiley Nuclear war is survivable.

Ameri-morons will finally learn when that one last stupid mistake unleashes consequences of compounding the previous mistakes into an epic, salient lesson. http://www.amerika.org/politics/arete-th....
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Goldman crunches the numbers and what they find destroys the lockdown narrative

When it is Covid season, Covid will spread and social control do not stop it.

"analysis found that no matter the difference in statewide policies and enforcement, cases appeared to wax and wane along with changes in temperature, appearing to resist most efforts to control the virus."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/g....
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I find it interesting that it has gone away, given the black market for THC/CBD and nicotine vape products has only expanded over the past two years.

Certainly there is going to be a natural amount of contamination from idiocy but vaping had already been around for quite a while before the mysterious illnesses and it seems to have disappeared as quickly as it came.
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Don't look behind the curtain.

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Tickerguy
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@Whitehat - it's the CDC risk table. You do what you want (I'm 57 and will go in the packed bar so.....)

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Dr. Anthony Fauci is a COMMUNIST leading a Genocide against the American people and will be brought up on charges for Crimes Against Humanity in the end, and he will be sentenced to the maximum punishment of DEATH when convicted, just like at the Nuremberg Trials. If freedom is to survive in the U.S.A., there can be no less of a punishment to all involved in this massive Crime Against Humanity.

COVID-19 VIRUS IS AMERICA'S HOLOCOUST / NAZI GERMANY 2.0


The MASKS are the gas chambers to kill you through creating bacterial pneumonia and staph infections, just like masks did while killing more people than the actual Spanish flu virus itself in 1918, when masks did not work then either to stop the spread of the Spanish flu virus, and Dr. Anthony COMMUNIST Fauci KNOWS this FACT* (SEE NOTE).

TAKE OFF YOUR MASK (GAS CHAMBER) SO IT DOES NOT KILL YOU.

*NOTE Dr. Anthony COMMUNIST Fauci was one of three co-authors who wrote a white paper stating such in 2008.
Dr. Anthony Fauci co-author wrote..

Published pathologic and/or bacteriologic findings from the 19181919 influenza pandemic. Although the cause of influenza was disputed in 1918, there was almost universal agreement among experts [e.g., 20, 2733] that deaths were virtually never caused by the unidentified etiologic agent itself, but resulted directly from severe secondary pneumonia caused by well-known bacterial pneumopathogens; that colonized the upper respiratory tract (predominantly pneumococci, streptococci, and staphylococci). Without this secondary bacterial pneumonia, experts generally believed that most patients would have recovered. 2008 Dr. Antony Fauci / co-author

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/198....

In 2008, Dr. Anthony Fauci (FAKECI) PROVED masks killed people in 1918.

In 2020, Dr. Anthony Fauci (FAKECI) is USING MASKS TO KILL PEOPLE.

Dr Anthony Fauci wrote..
"Well if people are not wearing masks, then maybe we should be mandating it." - 2020 Dr. Anthony Fauci / Director National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases


Dr Anthony Fauci wrote..
"I have the ability that I have for a long time to just focus, like a laser, on what I need to do, and my job through vaccines, through therapies, and through bypublic health measures is to safeguard the health, the safety, and the welfare of the American public. Thats all I concentrate on." - 2020 Dr. Anthony Fauci / Director National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PDwrIj0....

These Communists hate you, and they want the average citizen dead byway of Genocide. There is no other explanation for their actions.

Covid-19 VIRUS IS GENOCIDE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Covid-19 VIRUS IS AMERICA'S HOLOCOUST / NAZI GERMANY 2.0

15 DAYS WAS A LIE. IT WAS JUST THE BEGINNING

15 DAYS WAS A LIE.

IT WAS JUST THE BEGINNING OF AMERICA'S HOLOCOUST


THEY DREW FIRST BLOOD, NOT ME...

THEY DREW FIRST BLOOD...





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Kikknback
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Seeing is knowing forced MASK usage IS A FRAUD.

Math and Physics DO NOT LIE. The Politicians, Main Stream media, and the Industrial-Medical Complex are.

Taiwan, Sweden and Japan DID NOT close / destroy their economies, DID NOT mandate wearing of masks, and Covid-19 virus deaths were less than what they experience during a flu season.

JAPANS NUMBERS -

1,694 (Deaths) / 126,000,000 (Population) = ONE POINT THREE ONE THOUSANDTH PERCENT (.0000134 or 1.3 / 1,000th Percent) percent death rate.

NOT 100% Death Rate.

NOT 10% Death Rate.

NOT 1.3% Death Rate.

NOT .13% BAD FLU SEASON Death Rate. About 1 / 10TH of a percent

NOT .013% Death Rate,

BUT .0013% COVID-19 Death Rate. (This is what the MEDIA WON'T TELL YOU)
This is - 1,694 (Deaths) / 126,000,000 (Population) = ONE POINT THREE ONE THOUSANDTH PERCENT (.0000134 or 1.3 / 1,000th percent) Death Rate.

ONE THOUSANDTH PERCENT (.0000134) percent Death Rate.

ONE THOUSANDTH PERCENT (.0000134) percent Death Rate.

ONE THOUSANDTH PERCENT

ONE THOUSANDTH PERCENT

The Marxists in the media will not tell you the COVID-19 virus is less deadly than a "bad" flu season. Not a normal flu season, a "BAD" flu season.

We have never closed the economy during any flu years. Why now, if it isn't meant to destroy the economic engine of the U.S.A. and otherthrow the government after the financial implosion from the pending fiscal meltdown, where the virus is being used and setup to take the blame for, instead of the criminals running the banking system?

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This all goes away in the spring (unfortunately we have to wait that long). Covid was used to steal an election through mass mail-in voting and some more fleecing of the public. Since they were successful, they cannot just let covid disappear. They need to let Joey work his magic for 6 weeks or so and magically in March the PCR cycles on the test will be knocked below 30 eliminating many positives and the deaths will be attributed to the co-morbidities instead of Covid. Presto, Joey is a hero.

Article in the Baltimore Sun today about the new restrictions being implemented at the county level (fat ass Larry letting the County Execs take the heat). Article states that Covid spreads much easier when people are indoors. What did the county execs do, banned all organized youth sports on county properties. Today was 50 degrees and sunny, beautiful fall afternoon.

Couple of towns from me, huge soccer tournament cancelled, I guess the result is thousands of kids will be stuck inside more susceptible to getting Covid (Baltimore Sun said so) instead of playing outside getting vitamin D boosting their immune system. These politicians and so-called public health experts are worse than a two dollar *****, hope they like a few of Joey's shekels or Yi's Yuan.

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Kikknback
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Coup d'etat Leads to Civil WAR



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@Technica, another Okie! I think I've counted 5 since I've joined and started posting. I guess I bragged a bit early on about how well Oklahoma's citizens and government were resisting the hysteria, especially mask mandating and shaming. Oops, seems like the only places to escape it are the very rural areas. I love how the city news sites take a poll every few days to take the temperature of the readers regarding mask mandates. Comments and reactions are currently about 2/1 for mandating masks and shaming those who say no.

"Cases" and yes, some deaths have reached our tiny towns in NW OK, but thankfully very few of our mostly Mom and Pop businesses are requiring masks. I am crossing my fingers that they continue to hold out even if the state government is strong armed into passing full mandatory.

My FIL who is, unfortunately, trapped in Madison, has been buying all the scare mongering despite our attempts to counter his MSM parroting with some reason. Well, he emailed us this video today with the subject "Common Sense." We are hopeful that he is waking up. youtube.com/watch?v=mcm8Sc8f66o&t=615s
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@Technica:

There are an average of ten ICU beds per U.S hospital; obviously, some have 40-50+, some just 2-4, but ten is average. I do not include CCUs for acute cardiac conditions.

These are acute care, one-on-one nurse to patient ratios and tech heavy so are enormously expensive to staff/equip/run.

But, they are necessary. Before and after "COVID." Trauma, post-surgical, sepsis, every non-cardiac severe illness will collect there for days to weeks. So, many times these ten beds are full; thus, scaring people by saying that the ICUs are filling up is total crap; the busier ones run 80%+ full all year!

Talk to a hospitalist/pulmonologist/acute care MD in your area for some perspective & real-world data.
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Musk claims to have taken the rapid antigen 4 times in one day. From Twitter Something extremely bogus is going on. Was tested for covid four times today. Two tests came back negative, two came back positive. Same machine, same test, same nurse. Rapid antigen test from BD. Hes not exactly casting doubt on the PCR test. I wonder how many cycles JAPAN uses for their PCR and do they use early HCQ?
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If you actually wanted to eliminate Covid you do what New Zealand did. Shut the borders, between states, countries, cities, with the army for four weeks. Track and trace with real tests.

Then go back to life as normal.

Unless of course what you actually want isn't to eliminate a disease but to control a population, in which case you half ass it all day long.
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A June 2020 paper which overviews all cause mortality data (from that time) and reviews the progression of a viral infection in the body.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication....

Bottom line, like Karl, this study suggested that the enormous spike in Covid deaths was due to government actions exposing the most vulnerable population to the disease. Even went so far as to call it a 'mass homicide' event.

Unsurprisingly, the paper was never published anywhere but on Researchgate.



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@Idiom -
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If you actually wanted to eliminate Covid you do what New Zealand did. Shut the borders, between states, countries, cities, with the army for four weeks. Track and trace with real tests.

Then go back to life as normal.

Except for a set of problems:

1. There is no legal authority to bar travel between states. In fact, barring commerce between the states cannot be done. That's called "Federalism" and I know it's a foreign concept, but it's inherent in how the US is designed.

2. Cases not taken now do not build immunity. Covid19 has reservoirs in animals. It will therefore never go away.

3. You can make a vaccine mandatory, but if you do, God Help You if this virus was engineered and China both refuses to use whatever vaccine you use AND engineers a second virus to cause ADE with your vaccine. That's a depopulation event; it will kill 30% or more of your population and there is exactly nothing you can do about it.

You think you're real smart right now, just like so many nations in Europe did with their "much better" experience. We shall see. Time has a way of exposing stupidity. You know who DID do it the right way? Japan.

They follow my playbook, pretty-much, and they got hit first too with Diamond Princess.

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Tonythetiger: Yup. Quick read over it and it's saying pretty much what we have been.


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@TonyTheTiger: Thanks for posting https://hcqtrial.com/
Best large data set I have seen so far that show some statistical correlation.
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@Idiom -- Idiot, fixed your handle.

What you propose is a police state and based upon a complete lack of knowledge of disease in particular virology and epidemiology.

A government that can do what you propose for a viral crisis can do it for any reason.

The only way for a virus to be isolated to burn out would be if groups of people lived in the equivalent of completely isolated and independent space ships requiring absolutely no material inputs and outputs.

Viruses like water always find a way to seep around the borders created by man.

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smiley Gonna be a wild ride.
smiley Nuclear war is survivable.

Ameri-morons will finally learn when that one last stupid mistake unleashes consequences of compounding the previous mistakes into an epic, salient lesson. http://www.amerika.org/politics/arete-th....
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Whitehat: I guess we should just do away with borders then... /Sarc

Nations control their borders for infectious disease all the time. This used to be one of the primary arguments for fixing the US southern border jumper problem.

It can certainly be argued that for COVID it is futile at this point, but New Zealand is far from alone in doing this.

It is also not unique to human infection.

One of the reasons why there is no Highway linking all of North and South America is because the Darin Gap hasn't wanted to be bridged between Colombia and Panama to limit the spread of certain cattle diseases.

There is no need to be a dick to the Kiwi, they are Sovereign and can do what they want.
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Well of course they can @Expat_tom -- but time has shown that all you're doing is delaying, not denying when it comes to viruses, particularly with a virus that has animal reservoirs.

I have no quarrel with a nation shutting its borders; in fact, I argued for exactly that on a global basis very early on, and for this reason. But I never argued that it would STOP the virus from getting in here -- only buy us time to learn more about it.

Those nations that have tried to claim "success" are trying to claim they won the Indy 500 at lap 100 because they're half a lap ahead of everyone else. Uh, no you haven't.

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Hi Expat_tom, looking at history countries often use a crisis to implement restrictions and oppression of their peoples often inconsistent with the rule of their laws. In the vast majority of cases these massive changes to way of life become permanent surviving well past any crisis only retired when the entire country's way of life is retired through little things like civil war and sovereign conflict.

People do not acknowledge how much 911 bull**** is with us and how it will be misused one day. There are even aspects of regulation that survive the World Wars which changed our country. Let's see, we violated the rule of law because we feared a financial reckoning on not a few occasions. Do you like the fallout from any of these.

Problem is that a lot of countries that pull **** like this that is outside of our USA rule of law are countries with parliaments. In these the government is essentially an elected dictator to some degree. Well, hello, we did not wish to be that. A big problem is that people look at these countries see their lifestyle and benefits as nice and figure that they have something on us. Problem is that most view themselves as merely tenants of a country and locality who can relocate as they see fit.

Remember that when one is going around the world looking for the best deal without it being etched in the fiber of the culture and its laws, it is subject to change. People invest in a consistent culture because they know that their values are reflected in it. We lost that. I discuss why in a Bar posting today.

I would rather die horribly from a disease crisis than see the basic constitution and rule of law violated. If there is nothing worth dying for, there is nothing worth living for.

Now, it is all academic for me. Just going to discuss it to exercise my mind. Conclusion is that the problem is not fixable. So i might ex-pat here and there just like you. My fellow Americans finally crossed the line with me, not over some election, but letting things get so out of hand.

Should have made this decision years ago ...

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smiley Gonna be a wild ride.
smiley Nuclear war is survivable.

Ameri-morons will finally learn when that one last stupid mistake unleashes consequences of compounding the previous mistakes into an epic, salient lesson. http://www.amerika.org/politics/arete-th....
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@Loonster....can people FOIA the serological test results in Michigan?

Supposedly there was a 1000+ person serological test done where I live....with initial results due back late October.....and crickets.

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