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Drifter
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Incept: 2016-02-11

Pacific Northwest
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Remember, you have science, which doesn't give a crap about your ideology; then you have, 'The Science' which is whatever Nacerima-like voodoo the Overton window allows.

Remember the French Paradox? Oh, I do. Never forget that medicine will sacrifice you for profit and group think.

I've lost some patients because when they ask what my mask protocols are, I tell them I would prefer they leave their filthy masks in their car, come in and wash their hands. For some of the ardent leftoids in this town, that's a thought crime. On the flip side, lots of people are thankful that they can drop them when they come in. Basically, I'd rather die being burned at the stake than die following a contagion model which doesn't follow the facts.

Thinking of Stanley Milgram, people have always been sheeple. During my lifetime for the most part that need for social approval was delegated to styles of living. Now, my homeland has become an alien country. Let the ****er burn while my food stores are still edible, I say.

Nadavegan
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Incept: 2017-05-03

The South
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Looks like NC, SC, TN, and FL are all experiencing a similarly-shaped uptick in deaths the last few days. It would be great if data was thorough and transparent so we could discern causes - ie which group of nursing homes just got penetrated, or which metro area finally got exposed - rather than listening to the screechers on the news and social media (but I repeat myself, they are the same thing now). In fact, it would be downright fascinating.
Pete_brewster
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Incept: 2015-12-10

Canada
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In the end, people get the government they deserve.

If what Americans deserve is to be hauled off to "training camps" by their Chinese conquerors, to return to civilization in the form of cheap pork dumplings and organ transplants---why not? What does it matter?

I'm not surprised your energy is running out, Karl. Experience keeps a dear school. Fools learn in no other. They'll keep on celebrating diversity and telling people to disregard facts and reality till they're being fed into the meat grinder. Then it'll be far too late.

Pass the soy sauce.
Deep6
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CDC August 30, 2020:
Cloth masks will not protect you from wildfire smoke.

Cloth masks that are used to slow the spread of COVID-19 by blocking respiratory droplets offer little protection against wildfire smoke. They do not catch small, harmful particles in smoke that can harm your health.

Although N95 respirators do provide protection from wildfire smoke, they might be in short supply as frontline healthcare workers use them during the pandemic.------https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/covid-19/w....

As I perused the literature, I find that areosolized viral particles are 3-4 times smaller than smoke particles and that the feared viral 'droplets' are roughly the same size as those 'small' smoke particles. Um.............
Anderson4707
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Incept: 2011-04-17

Illinois
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Screw politcal correctness!
The honest truth excludes politics!

Oddly I just made the connection, "politics" today is basically the art of lying to people to manipulate them. Don't care what dictionary says it is. I know the truth.

"Political Correctness" therefore must be the correct way to lie; without getting caught, when you're manipulating people.

Now I understand why the government is pushing PC so hard.

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What was the right thing then may not be now. What does your heart tell you?
Radiosity
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Incept: 2009-03-05

Sunny UK
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From the Pig Trap article: "Do you wish to be a free American, or will you accept becoming a slave to a massive and all-powerful police state?"

I believe we already have our answer to that. Most people don't understand or appreciate freedom because they never had to FIGHT for it. They were given it by those who came before, and as a certain character in an excellent (if massively flawed due to the film-maker's ignorance) movie once said: something given has no value.

It's the same as the old adage of learning from history. Why would anyone do that? They weren't the ones fighting and dying and going through all the pain of failure, that happened OVER THERE, way in the past. Until and unless it happens directly to you, most people simply refuse to acknowledge or learn from history. And even then, a lot of people continue doing stupid **** anyway.

To be quite frank, I think a massive global conflict might just be the best thing we can hope for. Why? Simple: because the alternative is worse. We either give up and let the dystopia consume us, and that's a dark age that could feasibly last FOREVER.

Or we go all-in on the collapse, thin the herd and burn the deadwood of society, and maybe, a century or so later, pick up the pieces and try the civilisation thing again. At least we'd have a CHANCE at something good, even if it meant torching the world to get there.

The tech dystopia option we're rapidly barrelling towards won't allow for second chances and do-overs. They want 7 billion dead and the rest subjugated so thoroughly that it'll basically be 1984, a world in which the Party has always existed and is always right. No one will remember even the CONCEPT of freedom in order to fight for it.

Ironically enough, China might just be our best shot at option 2. Because if they don't trigger WW3 (something the Globalists absolutely do not want, they'd rather use vaccines and other non-destructive methods to kill billions), then we're pretty much guaranteed option 1. And good luck ever escaping that.

A quick addition to the Pig Trap is a classic story most of you will likely remember: The Time Machine. The passive Eloi who have been conditioned to walk into the building when a siren rings out so they can be eaten by the Morlocks. Wells was a remarkable writer, much like Orwell.

Reason: Minor clarification
Ebt
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@Radiosity

I myself haven't lost all hope. We're in a war that's just starting, and we don't know how its going to turn out. 1/3+ of the population is hopelessly dumbed down, 1/3 are marginal, but another 1/3 is pretty sharp and armed and absolutely not interested in surrender.

Captainkidd
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Incept: 2010-05-25

Houston, Texas
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You want to see the idiots really get totally bumfuzzled it's easy.

If you do have to maskerarde somewhere, simply refuse to put your credit/debit card into the machine until it has been sanitized.

Demand to know the intervals at which this is done....preferably in a loud, clear voice.

Just Karen the **** out of them.

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A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a thousand men with guns. --Mario Puzo

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. -- Henry Ford
Radiosity
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Sunny UK
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Ebt: "We're in a war that's just starting"

Not really. We've been in a state of war for decades. Most people don't even realise because it hasn't (directly) involved guns and tanks and planes.

The infiltration of our institutions happened decades ago. We have entire generations who've been taught to hate their own countries and people, Antifa and BLM are setting fire to everything they can find (even in my country, which never had the racial issues of America, but of course that doesn't stop them), the Globalists have been steadily eroding our laws and freedoms over the years, voting is a joke, most people are going along with what might be the biggest hoax in human history (climate change or covid, take your pick), and Communists are openly plotting the downfall of our civilisations.

The war hasn't just started, it's almost over. And barely a shot had to be fired. Black pilled? Pretty much, but after the last six months, my hope of anyone ever waking up is in the negatives.
Mannfm11
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DFW, Tx
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I took a look at mortality. It is quite a bit higher. Adjusting for trend higher deaths due to demographics, using the low death years, to establish trend, subtracting P&I deaths, we are between 66,000 and 123,000 excess deaths. There has been a lot of flu in 2020, but I have seen very little that establishes flu and pneumonia as the swing element of death counts. Something else causes deaths to rise and fall between years.

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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
Tickerguy
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Yep. As I have said for a while the premise that perhaps this was not excess at all appears to have been falsified; there quite-clearly is. To what EXTENT we will not know until the year is over. Would I be surprised if the real number is in the 60-100k range? No.

But -- did we just pull it forward six months? That we won't know until NEXT year. In other words exactly how "excess" was it?

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If you will not force justice to be done by any means necessary when over 100,000 are murdered by political hacks from both parties do not complain or expect my help when you or someone you love dies at their hand. -- Me
Deep6
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Mannfm: Wondering where your P&I mortality data came from. From CDC's web page, Fluview, so far this year (Jan 1st - Sept 5), there have been 205,402 P&I deaths. If going by the flu season (Oct 1, 2019), there have been aprox. 223,202 P&I deaths. May account for the excess mortality?

Source: https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortal....
Ebt
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We'll never know where the excess mortality came from. Extrapolating from my own small city, I would guess 60,000+ suicides nationally. How many cancer cases not caught? How many marginal health conditions that were simply not maintained?
Tickerguy
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Oh yes we will.

The data will be available; when this year's data finalizes around February we will know against 2019. And in 2021 we will know against 2020.

I suspect what we're going to find is that there will be extremely severe consequences due some government people in that while you truly will be able to lay some of this at the virus' feet, a good part of it, maybe the majority, and maybe even a supermajority, will not be.

I note that if this proves true that it will be the largest act of mass-murder committed by persons in our government since the settlement of the United States landmass. Whether we will have the balls to take just retribution for it.... well.... it seems unlikely, doesn't it?

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If you will not force justice to be done by any means necessary when over 100,000 are murdered by political hacks from both parties do not complain or expect my help when you or someone you love dies at their hand. -- Me
Debtfree2200
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Incept: 2015-10-29

Anywhere besides the Wuhan Wet market
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How did this get into a NY paper?

https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/numbers-sh....
Tickerguy
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smiley

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If you will not force justice to be done by any means necessary when over 100,000 are murdered by political hacks from both parties do not complain or expect my help when you or someone you love dies at their hand. -- Me
Mabman
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Incept: 2009-11-08

toronto
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found this on another website:

What can you do? I take Quercetin (a zinc ionophore like HCQ and Ivermectin), an organic (not metallic) form of zinc, Vitamin C, vitamin D3 (see the link) and selenium (Se) since I don't eat beef. I take other supplements like garlic too. Get them all from a nutrition store or order online.

But this study
https://knowledgeofhealth.com/hospitals-....

was really informative about vitamin D.
Burya_rubenstein
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Is nypost normally a liberal/democrat/sjw paper?
Tonythetiger
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Incept: 2019-01-27

Fort Walton
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Interesting view of the data here:

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/12....

Suggests that the continuing extension of fear porn is intentionally done by shifting to "Cases" and ramping them up through a massive increase of testing.

The near total disappearance of deaths is conveniently overlooked.




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Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it.
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Depression2020
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Incept: 2020-03-20

Northern Virginia
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RE recent @Tickerguy Twatter post showing nationwide case count: https://twitter.com/tickerguy/status/130....

The fear porn peddlers, backed up by Fauxi have been enjoying contradicting the president regarding his comment that the country has "turned the corner." I assume the Orange Man saw the data analysis in conservative media, since Fauxi happily contradicted the Orange Man, pointing to the daily case count and death figures to refute this, it's been the narrative for this week's news cycle.

In my world, more co-workers are back now, the majority, and we've gone to shifts. Last week, I had time to pick a fight with some of the most extreme CV-19 doom zealots. They all believe that lockdowns and masks worked and continue to work in New York. To talk against masks is to speak heresy. I commented on the inherent immunity (t-cell cross immunity) and that even their beloved Fauxi has commented that this is true. I commented about the variance in policy in areas (counties and states) next to each other, or the flare ups in California and Hawaii to support the fact that masks and lock-downs don't work. I also pointed to the resurgent cases in Europe and Asia. They feel that any time there is evidence to the contrary of their view point, it is because of human sin. They believe that any rise in cases is because people didn't actually wear masks or abide by lockdowns. Another excuse for flare ups in Europe and Asia, is that it's all due to infected Americans and other foreigners bringing it to those countries. In echoes of debates I had with the same people in March, I also engaged them on the demographics of those who are dying. People in their religion want to gas light the **** out of everyone that the majority of deaths are not among the elderly (over age 65) and people with comorbidity. Even when I admit that younger people do get infected and die, but the rate of occurrence is not cause for concern, they respond that no death is acceptable. I push back of course, including with the comment that they didn't change their way of lives or shut things down before CV-19 because of the millions of people in the population who are immunocompromised.

Sad news in my life - my elderly Dad and Step Mom have been infected. I don't mean infected with CV-19, I mean infected with fear and ignorance. My Dad is a Pelosi hating conservative, while my Step Mom is an Indiana liberal (more conservative than a San Francisco liberal but still a liberal). Because of a fear of CV-19, my Dad and Step Mom have decided not to attend my cousin's (their niece's) wedding in October. Dad is heavily influenced by Step Mom's fear. Ironically her name is Karen. They pressured my brothers and their families not to attend the wedding either.

I still intend to attend though, as long as it's not canceled or postponed (again) of course. The most ridiculous part is that my Dad's house is like Grand Central, with people coming and going. Friends and family who have been taking cross-country road trips, regularly going to bars and gyms, working in hospitals, and living life visit and hang out all the time at their house. When I pointed this out to my Dad, his retort was that "we trust them." After I got done laughing at him, I tried to explain that trust has nothing to do with it, and that if he's not afraid of those people visiting all the time, he shouldn't fear attending my cousin's wedding. Additionally, he suggested I should come visit him, or stop by on the way to the wedding - I may do that. But he was really worried about CV-19 (and smart)...I guess he "trusts" that I won't pick up CV-19 in a rest stop on the drive there (from Virginia to Indiana).

I think it's increasingly clear that even after all 50 states have rolled over, down to suppression levels the fear and the COVID-19 Industrial Complex will keep it going through the entirety of 2021. There is still a lot of public support among the CV-19 zealots for new blanket (countrywide) lockdowns. There will be the incessant scolding that the CV-19 boogie man will come and get us. We may even see a spike during the normal flu season, potentially with a many flu deaths being counted as CV-19 deaths. This notional mini-spike will probably again create the most casualties in nursing homes and among the elderly, as that problem was probably not fixed adequately and on a uniform (nationwide) basis. Nonetheless, the casualties will cause economic damage to all people spread through the country.
Baraka
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Incept: 2020-08-28

Boucherville, QC
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Want a no nonsense, top down, left to right, seasonal description of viruses ? Here it is ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFz....
Jeepguy
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Incept: 2020-02-07

Ohio
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Well it's true that I have been pretty busy recently and haven't per se consumed so much of the so-called news, however what I have seen and heard about is that they're still making a big deal about Sturgis!

Am I the only one that finds it weird that they're still trying to claim something stupid ass spike in this or that from Sturgis but there's not half of the nonsense that we all thought they were going to spew over labor day weekend?

I mean I'm sure many of you have been keeping closer tabs on it than I have so I'm certain that I have missed a couple of their false reports and I know that they're still running around with weirdo numbers, but I just find it very weird and interesting that most of us really figured that somewhere in the week after labor day weekend A lot of these idiot governors would come up with announcements about possible shutdowns etc now that still could happen coming into next week and I know that they've got voucher out there touting up all kinds of nonsense,

And I did hear a couple of days back that stupid ass Ohio State decided to cancel next year's spring break, and of course f
Dr dumbass talked about how this crap is basically here to stay well into next year basically very late in to next year!

And of course he blabbed about the flu season whatever else, so I'm just curious how many of you think they really will put us into a shutdown and what are some time frames coming up say within the course of the next three to four months when do you think they'll do it?

or do you think they're holding off for certain reasons and what are your thoughts on those reasons?


Tickerguy
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They're going to lose the argument here very shortly. The data is holding up exactly as I projected everywhere I look.

Deaths are about to take a nose-dive and when they do, it's over.

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If you will not force justice to be done by any means necessary when over 100,000 are murdered by political hacks from both parties do not complain or expect my help when you or someone you love dies at their hand. -- Me
Whitehat
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Gone West
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These folks know how to protest. Perhaps it is a testosterone thing.




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Keeping the underground economy keeps the peace and allows rebellious elements to protest their condition without actually protesting the government.

What were you doing over the years as your children's future was being destroyed? Do not expect them to fix your mistakes or tolerate you for them.
Jhh
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Melbourne, Australia
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