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Tonythetiger
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What do you know? The NYT has as much as admitted that all "the Cases, the Cases" hoopla has been a bunch of nonsense from the start. They have finally figured out that the 'usual' PCR test Cycle Threshold of 40 is so high that roughly 70+% of those testing positive aren't sick enough to matter:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/healt....

That would imply that AT MOST only ~2 million-ish "Cases" in the US that were sick enough to worry about, or 0.6% of the population.

Who knew? Oh, that's right. Karl. Big surprise there (not).


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Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it.
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Robls
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http://mileswmathis.com/logic.pdf

Don't know how accurate his numbers are, but makes a lot of sense at first blush.
Zappafan
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The reality is that no matter whether it's Trump or Biden, Wall St. wins, and the MIC wins. A giant **** sandwich will continue to be served up piping hot to boobus Americanus.

Boobus, if he's lucky, can try to hang on to his or her corporate gig, WFH and if he or she is smart, prep like a MOFO for what is coming.

Many won't be so lucky and will be thrown into "wards of the state" status, dependent on Powell's printer to send a few leech bux their way. Including small businesses that are now PPP *****s.

To be fair, most of us are *****s who sell our souls for some form of corporate welfare. Whether direct or indirect. You have to look real hard to find anybody who made their money through old fashioned hard work anymore.

Nobody even cares anymore about the 100k dead, outside of a few of us. The press has moved on, and it is now an acceptable cost as long as Apple and Salesforce stocks keep trading at 40x earnings and don't crash.


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Winds blow from the bowels of hell
Will we give warning, only time will tell
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Maddman
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Quote:

Yes, Trump has fallen short on many fronts. Name me a president who has faced a more organized and determined opposition from inside the government, the press and the opposing political party. I think we over estimate the impact of one man or the small dedicated Trump Team. I think about "culture" in my company and how difficult it is to move our culture to that of "continuous improvement" or whatever initiative we are pursuing. My guess is that changing the culture of Washington is a 100 fold more difficult.

I think of the progress Trump has made on reducing illegal immigration, appointing "less liberal" judges than the Blue Team, confronting China, trying to advance peace in the Middle East, taking out some terror bad guys and hopefully ending the Afghanistan war. There are other thing but I would run out of room. Has Trump been perfect ..... far from it, but better than anything Team Blue would have fielded.

Trump inherited the swamp full of evil doers and was pointed in a poor direction by the same. As above I give him credit for making as much change as he has been able while fighting evil 360 degrees! Lighten up !! Vote 100% red, cause even those local dimms are supporting evil.

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DISCLAIMER: As a citizen of the United States, I hereby withdraw any de facto permission for President Obama to speak or act on my behalf in any matter, domestic or foreign. He is not to be regarded as my representative or emissary in any way.
M1919a2
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Critics all, aren't we!

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

HAIL caesar, the CRITIC!

Attribution: The Man in the Arena Speech, given as "Citizenship In A Republic", delivered at the Sorbonne, in Paris, France on 23 April, 1910 by Theodore Roosevelt (who by the way broke up the Standard Oil cartel with Anti-Trust laws)
Gynojunkie
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If the Left steals the upcoming election we will all know that this was so; How will we act? Will we turn our Nation over to the full control of "Joe & the Ho" and their minions? Think of Antifa and the MSM with total power: Congress/Senate/White House.

The end of free thought & expression. They will try to burn us out.

Or, Trump wins. Antifa/The Left/etc. go even more insane and try to "burn it down" (the country AND all of us in it).

When (if ever) shall we rise up, resist, fight back? Solzhenitzyn comes to mind:

And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more we had no awareness of the real situation.... WE PURELY AND SIMPLY DESERVED EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED AFTERWARD.
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 19181956

Karl stated to me that there IS a PATHWAY FORWARD. He knows this; I know this. I am old, but I prep like a 20 year-old and will lend my efforts when needed. But timing is everything, no?
Robodog
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All manias end in exhaustion.

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The objection to Puritans is not that they try to make us think as they do, but that they try to make us do as they think. - H.L. Mencken
Redjack
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Chromehill,

I have a few African American friends that are not "Woke". The preference stated by Gates to give them the vaccine ahead of European Americans troubles him. He said "Those bastards have never had my interest at heart, why would I trust them now?"

Tickerguy
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"It only causes sterility part of the time...."

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If you will not force justice to be done by any means necessary when over 100,000 are murdered by political hacks from both parties do not complain or expect my help when you or someone you love dies at their hand. -- Me
Captainkidd
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Every man must pick the hill he is willing to die on.

My list of "Hills Worth Dying On" has, over the last 6 months, become much more in focus to me.

The time will come, I believe.
And, I will not go quietly.
Nor shall I go alone.

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A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a thousand men with guns. --Mario Puzo

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. -- Henry Ford
Jwjw
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@Jw. I remember Ron Paul not allowed to speak at RNC 2012. I was there, on the floor, as a national delegate for him. They did let his son Rand speak. Watch the made-for-TV State-by-State vote announcements and laugh when you see the announced votes don't add up to the delegate slots per State. Nobody was allowed to say "Ron Paul" from a microphone. I tried within the GOP, and they kicked us out. They refused to seat the entire Maine delegation because it was all Ron Paul.

I was a contractor in the Pentagon. Yes, the bureaucracy controls it and the rest of the government. Bureaucracy enabled by well-paid contracting companies ... like your neighbors who work those jobs of eating from the taxpayer trough.
Rumsfeld's September 10 2001 press conference about getting to the bottom of the auditing mess was hopeful. He even put all of the people and papers in one area to get to the bottom of the audit problems. Which part of the Pentagon went up in smoke the next day? Darn, can't do the audit.

I'm still getting involved with my local government. I can meet neighbors and be useful. It can be productive. I understand the truthers who identify with Alex Jones just want to complain, and it is sad to see their energy and frustrations being (in my opinion) useless.

Along they way, I opt out when appropriate. "No thank you". For example I have never been through the TSA full body scans and I have been a 100k flyer. Who else is willing to opt out on this small item? Probably not convenient for the screaming truthers to opt out, while they wear their "come and take it" shirts.

If they have a few live Pres. debates, Trump will destroy Biden. Biden will trip up himself.

More indications of Vitamin D effectiveness:
https://elifesciences.org/articles/59177
"another well-documented regulator of RAS is Vitamin D (Vaidya and Williams, 2012) as the liganded Vitamin D receptor (VDR) suppresses REN expression. Patients who are deficient in Vitamin D are at-risk for ARDS in general (Dancer et al., 2015) and Vitamin D deficiencies have recently been associated with severity of illness in COVID-19 patients (Alipio, 2020)."
Author detailsMichael R GarvinOak Ridge National Laboratory, Biosciences Division, Oak Ridge, United States
Austin
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''Trump killed over 100,000 Americans directly through his policies, on American soil, in the last six months''

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herd immunity = .067 %, 328 mill US pop = 219894 dead to reach herd immun.

please explain i have a single digit IQ
M1919a2
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BEST READ before a MIRROR!

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

Reason: computer stupidity
Tickerguy
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@Austin -- This bug kills almost nobody, unless you ACTIVELY KILL THEM.

That is for someone to die you have to do ALL of:

1. Do NOTHING and sit back and watch 80+% of their lung capacity be DESTROYED. There are multiple interventions that can mitigate that. BTW in nearly EVERYONE who gets this bug #1 doesn't actually occur -- but in a few people, most of them severely compromised (as was the case with PCP and AIDS), it does.

2. When you detect #1 has occurred (SpO2 starts falling) CONTINUE TO DO NOTHING to interrupt the damage. Specifically, DO NOT test for and treat thrombus that are, with a high probability, in the lungs (the reason gas exchange is impaired) and DO NOT test for and suppress, if found, a cytokine storm.

3. After ALL THAT if the person is unable to fight it off THEN shove a tube down their throat which, WITH LUNGS FULL OF CLOTS AND THUS NOT PLIANT LIKE A NORMAL LUNG is EXTREMELY like to cause barotrauma AND KILL THEM OUTRIGHT through an AGE. Oh by the way, WHO bought tens of thousands of WORTHLESS ventilators?

Yeah.

This is EXACTLY what we did with PCP and AIDS. We KNEW Bactrim worked because that was discovered in 1977 in children with Leukemia, which also trashes the person's immune system. They were getting PCP and dying. We discovered that not only did Bactrim treat PCP it was prophylactic so if you popped up with leukemia after that discovered we gave it to you because PCP is a ******nable bug and will kill you very dead if your immune system is ****ed up -- thus, preventing it from happening was well worth the relatively small risk associated with using Bactrim as a prophylaxis.

Fauci was DIRECTLY involved in blocking that drug from being given to AIDS patients for YEARS -- it was off-patent, CHEAP, and we KNEW it worked. He didn't care; he demanded his "random controlled trials" SPECIFICALLY FOR AIDS PATIENTS and we shoved over 30,000 people into the hole as a result.

THIS bug presents an even more ******nable situation for these *******s because in point of fact it just isn't very deadly, UNLESS you are already pretty ****ed up. In that regard it's much like PCP, in that PCP is ALMOST NEVER diagnosed in a person with a healthy immune system -- oh, the bug is around and like any other bug you can inhale it but in a healthy person it does nothing to you because it is immediately recognized and killed off before it makes you clinically sick.

But if your immune system is ****ed then YOU are the one who is ****ed because is able to destroy your lungs and kills you a HUGE percentage of the time, even with treatment. Untreated in an immune-compromised individual it is almost-invariably fatal.

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If you will not force justice to be done by any means necessary when over 100,000 are murdered by political hacks from both parties do not complain or expect my help when you or someone you love dies at their hand. -- Me

M1919a2
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I direct your attention to that which controls everything in this nation which unfortunately is FORGOTTEN because it's not been tried, to-wit:

"... Laws of Nature and of Nature's God ... all men ... are endowed by their Creator [read "GOD"] with certain unalienable Rights ... to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, ... from the consent of the governed ...

[AND NOW THE FORGOTTEN because men fine this MOST scary and frightening]

... when a long train of ABUSES and USURPATIONS, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, IT IS THEIR RIGHT, IT IS THEIR DUTY, to throw off such Government ..."

Since this is a federal republic with various GOVERNMENTS - Local, State, and National, the favor of those GOVERNMENTS is the one changed by this BASIC ORGANIC ENABLING DECLARATION. Thus, a city or county or school district or PUD or ... you get the idea, DON'T YOU, hopefully.

One must think CLEARLY, PRECISELY and INNOVATIVELY to exercise one's God given rights effectively! Of course in a Marxist arena, there is NO GOD, is there?
Austin
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So given those criteria , the DR / mill at herd immunity is a result of malpractice. Including Sweden. Yet you blame Trump. Can you give any examples of places/countries where the leadership in this matter was better than Trump ?
Tickerguy
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@Austin - Sweden ADMITTED their malpractice; they forced the bug into nursing homes and have admitted that was a colossal ****-up. Take half of their death rate out (roughly their nursing home casualty rate) and it's..... approximately equal to the number of people who die of the flu.

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If you will not force justice to be done by any means necessary when over 100,000 are murdered by political hacks from both parties do not complain or expect my help when you or someone you love dies at their hand. -- Me
Austin
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Can you give any examples of places/countries where the leadership in this matter was better than Trump ?''

Forcing the bug into homes is different from the malpactice you assert.
How would those elderly survive anyway without impossible levels of isolation forever ? Its going to hit herd immunity one way or the other.

[ side note , something i find puzzling now, in many places incl canada the DR seems to have topped out at well below 600-800 D/mill ] ?
Tickerguy
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@Austin -- Where are you getting what "should" be a death rate from?

Again, THIS COUNTY has reached suppression. We've had TWELVE deaths. We have 100,000 people.

Or 120 per million.

Which incidentally is HALF the rate of the flu. Now it's only been six months but NOW we're in suppression and weren't before. And this presumes, which is not in evidence, that ALL TWELVE were in fact in the causal chain. We know that's almost-certainly wrong but if I GIVE YOU THAT we're still at ONE FIFTH the national average, roughly.

Will we have 240/million by the one year mark? I'll take the under on that since in suppression the odds of us getting another 12 approach zero, and again, that's without actually looking at death certificates to see how much FRAUD is in there.

And no, we're not a young and particularly healthy place either. Come have a look.

But we did not kill elderly and vulnerable people.

The bottom line is that this virus, absent malfeasance or manslaughter, doesn't kill many people. In fact it kills fewer than the flu does.

"Can I give you a place that did better than Trump"?

MANY, starting right here. This doesn't mean the Mayor isn't a dickhead and isn't putting in place worthless mitigations that made people sick. He did. But he didn't do the evil cocksucking things that other states AND OTHER COUNTIES IN THIS STATE did.

Well, at least not yet.

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If you will not force justice to be done by any means necessary when over 100,000 are murdered by political hacks from both parties do not complain or expect my help when you or someone you love dies at their hand. -- Me

Austin
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i got it from watching Tony Heller ,,,
We are low here in BC also , i worry that we are like New Zealand and a bit isolated with the border closed so we may still get bigger numbers. Maybe canada has your benign treatments. i dunno , UK Boris got the rough treatment and was saved [ ?] another account , a utoober , 'bald and bankrupt ' who nearly died but survived in a czech hospital having the full medical treatment.
In any case its still a potential death risk of .067 % if only because you can't get the right treatment , whatever that is.
Chromehill
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@Tickeryguy - not only did Sweden force the bug into the long term facilities, there are reports they did not even try to treat the elderly who were stricken by it. At least Sweden acknowledges their mistake.

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@Maddman - I decided to hold my nose and vote for Trump. Do I believe anything will change, not at all. He had 4 years to implement change, did not do it. Plenty of legal avenues to fix immigration, hell just shut down the government to get what you want.

What convinced me to vote for Trump, I started reading "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer. When you read about how Hitler and the Nazis came to power and how they consolidated their power, it is eerily similar to the radical left in this country. The Nazis has brown shirts that were not prosecuted and intimidated lots of people. They demonized most religions. They demonized race. They prevented different opinions from being taught and heard in education and the media. Currently the radical left does all of those.

Hitler legally came to power and never received more than 36% of the vote in a fair election. The other 64% knew Hitler and the Nazis were trouble, yet they could not come together to defeat him. Instead they fragmented and he came to power and exact his revenge on his opposition.

I have decided the radical left can not get complete control of the government. Hence my vote for Trump. Plus Trump is not talking about putting people like us in a box car while the radical left would like nothing better to put my white Christian male butt in a box car. The radical left does not hide that fact that they want to crush the opposition which is us.

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"Power, like the reproductive muscle, longs to be exercised, often without judgement or right" - Gerry Spence
Ebt
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I'm for Trump with no apologies.

Seems like some of you guys expect him to take on the whole world by himself, while you sit back in your armchairs and offer a "critique". If it doesn't come out perfectly than you vote him down.


Tickerguy
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I'm not; he wrecked the economy on bull****.

Like it or not, he drove the plane into the ground and INSURED a detonation of the federal balance sheet and likely Civil War.

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If you will not force justice to be done by any means necessary when over 100,000 are murdered by political hacks from both parties do not complain or expect my help when you or someone you love dies at their hand. -- Me
Nemowillobserve
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I concur with TG, wake the **** up! Trump is a pied piper. The flip flop from candidate to incumbent is astounding! Worse than any we have seen. Oh, but the media and the dems pushback have kept him from achieving goals?Yeah right, there are many ways he could have changed policy in the last 4 years, but did nothing. Drain da swamp? Wilbur Ross, The Repo Man Munuchin, Pompouspeo? He fired faucci, but the damage is done and the guy still gets TV airtime. Kinda like Bolton, let em do their dirty work then distance yourself for plausible deniability. We are fooked....
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