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Jesjohn94
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Nice!

White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said Monday he is "not particularly concerned" about the safety risk of a potential coronavirus vaccine by Moderna, despite the fact that it uses new technology to fight the virus.
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Of course he's not.

He's not going to take it.

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@ Frat "And by then, most of us will have had it and won't have to worry about a vaccine anyway, right? ****'em"

I doubt there will ever be a 75% effective or better vaccine. They need you to take the vaccine every year just like the flu. Can't make money on a one time cure.

That is why aids, diabetes, etc are chronic, treatable conditions.......
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@ Green

And YET another reason not to take their ****. I'm am VERY far from anti-vax. That doesn't mean I'm going to put brand new **** in my veins because they told me too. Nope. Huh uh.

And no, I don't get the flu shot. Wife has to for work, kids get it if she wants them too. Me? Nope, I don't need their best guess at which strain will be bad this year.

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Never mind @Frat that there is some evidence that last year's cross-reacted (and not in a good way either) with Covid.

They of course did not "expect" a Coronavirus to come through and be a big deal when they formulated the vaccine in the early summer of 2019. But it did. This is a risk with any vaccine but it's especially a problem with coronaviruses, because they are notorious for that sort of thing. When the usual result is a cold you get a nastier cold, and it's not a big deal.

When the risk exists of it turning into an immune-system spiker, well, then you have a bigger problem. It's not that it reacts with the virus per-se, but that it causes the immune system to go ape**** in the presence of the virus.

Which is incidentally how people are dying of this thing.

This is the exact same potentiation problem that they've had repeatedly with trying to vaccinate cats against a coronavirus that infects them. In short it's a known risk with coronaviruses and is inherent in how they're structured on an RNA basis, which makes vaccines against them inherently dangerous, and other vaccinations against other viruses potential cross-reactors and potentiating with them.

Oh by the way dare I note that both Sweden and Singapore have very low flu vaccine rates in their populations?

Correlation does not prove causation but you ******n well better look at it when you find it.

There's free data we're not collecting and analyzing. Free in that it has no risk; the data already exists. This is one of them. The HCQ/Lupus/RA connection is another. The latter is especially corrupt because virtually everyone who has either is on disability (they're ugly conditions) and anyone hwo is on disability for 2 or more years qualifies for Medicare automatically, irrespective of age. This means CMS has their medical records -- including whether they are taking HCQ. Therefore a simple statistical analysis will tell us if the expected, on a population basis, percentage of those with RA and Lupus are showing up with Covid, and if there is a statistically significant difference between those who are and are taking HCQ and those who are and are not.

It's a trivial query out of the CMS databases, exposes no personal information and yet nobody has run it.

Well, that they're telling us anyway.

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First kid coughs, must be tested before he can come back AND everyone he might have been around is ALSO excluded until THEY can be tested.

FWIW, the CDC issued new Covid guidance for ending quarantine in the past week, with a reduced hurdle to clear for ending isolation.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nco....

Bottom line:

1) End isolation 10 days after appearance of first symptom (or first positive test) AND no fever in past 24 hours (without meds to reduce same)
2) No negative test required except to shorten 10 day isolation period or for severely immuno-compromised people
3) Serologic (antibody) testing doesn't count for starting/ending isolation

You would think that a parent armed with a copt of these CDC rules could make life quite difficult for any school board that insists on measures beyond what the CDC recommends, given a good lawyer.

I've forwarded the new CDC guidance to my workplace HR asking if their requirement for "two negative tests" in order to come back to work will change. Haven't heard anything back yet, but it's only been half a day. Not that I need it right now, but it can't hurt to get them thinking about lightening up on the rules before it might be necessary, just in case.

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@Tonythetiger -
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You would think that a parent armed with a copt of these CDC rules could make life quite difficult for any school board that insists on measures beyond what the CDC recommends, given a good lawyer.

Oh no, the correct thing to do is tell your kid that he can have a free 10 day vacation any time he wants -- all he has to do is cough.

And if his friend does, he gets one too.

And if a couple of kids do it in the classroom, the entire class does.

I mean, it's all by the CDC book. 10 days from first symptom (a cough) and no fever for 24 hours (which you didn't have in the first place.)

Bonzai young man and I'm very sorry that the cat stuck its tail up your nose just before you went to school this morning, and while you're not very allergic, well, the cat love you long time.

Of course I would never recommend that you Black Knight your school on a repeated daily basis. That wouldn't be very nice.

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@ Tickerguy ..... regarding HCQ.

When meeting with my PCP, who is very much inline with your thinking, I asked him if I got C-19 would he prescribe HCQ along with a Z-pack. He stated that he would do so if he could. Apparently Gov. Dewine has decreed that Doctors in Ohio can not prescribed HCQ as a treatment.

Thought about trying to find HCQ somewhere to pick it up on the sly but have no idea of where to look. Can't run up to Canada to get it anymore.
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Holy crap Tickerguy...I hadn't even thought about fake coughs.
Yeah, we're never gettin' out of this quagmire.
I heard through the grapevine some people around here are stockpiling again. I asked why.
Answer was people are expecting another lockdown..I suppose sometime after the start of the school year. Throw in other seasonal colds and flu with the Covid nonsense and the Karens are going to lose what little is left of their minds!
I'm getting prepared so that I can stay out of the stores during cold and flu season...been doing it for years due to husband's poor health status. This year is not special.
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@Tickerguy:
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....This is a risk with any vaccine but it's especially a problem with coronaviruses, because they are notorious for that sort of thing. When the usual result is a cold you get a nastier cold, and it's not a big deal.

When the risk exists of it turning into an immune-system spiker, well, then you have a bigger problem. It's not that it reacts with the virus per-se, but that it causes the immune system to go ape****.....


Hmmm....
I wonder if there are any stats available as to how many of the "C-19 Deaths" had a flu shot....
Hmmmm....
Think I'll see if I can find anything on that.

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Good luck I've been chasing this for a while without success.

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I'm sure some enterprising person could turn Ferris Bueller's keyboard into an app. smiley

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Rumor here in Iowa and western IL is that a another lock down (excluding those whose lives only matter) will be happening in a few weeks. When I was out in west river South Dakota, the attitude was "They really can't lock us out again!" Saw lots of US flags, lots of guns on hips walking around. Smiling people. Like a snap shot of a bygone world. Coming back to the land were I can not talk without fear of lawsuit, firing, or worse was hard. But I know that SD and NE will be that way soon enough. God help us.
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Well they can try it.

But there is a problem -- a decent number of areas have reached suppression and we know, with a reasonable uncertainty band, where it is now.

There are a lot more getting there.

Which means now the people who are either Blue "in name" or Blue "for real" and try to do it will find that a very large part of the nation will stick up the finger and not follow them.

This also means you won't be able to pass more government handout money to those that try to do this since there will be enough NO votes to block it, and as a result it won't be a $600/wk freebie vacation, it will instead be an economic collapse in those states and if you think what is going on in Portland is bad..... oh boy are you in for a shock.

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In short it's a known risk with coronaviruses and is inherent in how they're structured on an RNA basis, which makes vaccines against them inherently dangerous, and other vaccinations against other viruses potential cross-reactors and potentiating with them.


@ KD

Is this why research of this type was banned in the US (I thought you alluded to that once before), or am I way off-base here?

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No, what was banned was "gain of function" viral research. Which the NIH then funded in Wuhan because they couldn't here any more. Which is where the "oops" happened. Which means we likely paid for the oops.

Oh, and Fauci had to at least know about it if not signing off on it.

You'd be more than a little crazy to use that sort of thing to try to make a vaccine. But the Chinese are more than a little crazy, and this particular virus looks like exactly that.

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Well into my 2nd week having added Quercitin as a Covid19 (and general health) prophylaxis and no complaints.

The capsule is a little bigger than I like to swallow so I chew it and it tastes fine.

Some residual shoulder pain I had has vanished, which is not surprising cause that's what Quercitin does. I have no problem staying with this for another year or two, or maybe permanently.

1 capsule daily is what I do (2/daily might be pushing it for the long term)

https://www.amazon.com/Quercetin-1000mg-....

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Long term think of buying Bulk at Amazon and buy a capsule making device. Make you purchase the correct size of device to match your capsule size. Also have to purchase a bag of capsules. Pays for itself in no Time. Easy, sorta, I don't shake the capsules into the holes I place them in, same for the caps. Get a working surface and in 15 minutes or less you're done and have a hundred.

I do think now with many other products available in bulk.

https://www.amazon.com/Quercetin-Dihydra....

Search for capsule making machine at Amazon, several different, but all the same really,.
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Meh. You can buy 200 800mg caps for about what that powder costs....

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Ebt wrote:
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The capsule is a little bigger than I like to swallow so I chew it and it tastes fine.
Some of the supplements I take tend to float in water, which makes it difficult for me to swallow them.

I found an easy way to deal with them is to take them with small amounts of other food. I chew up a couple pieces of walnut or almond and put the pill in just before I swallow. Everything goes down much easier. I can even swallow two larger pills in this fashion at the same time.

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Greenacr wrote:
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Thought about trying to find HCQ somewhere to pick it up on the sly but have no idea of where to look.

Use Quercetin instead. See links in other posts to order on Amazon.

A 2014 study demonstrated that quercetin transported zinc across cell membranes, just like HCQ. Having the zinc there ahead of time should slow or stop viral replication if it should show up.

https://pubs.acs.org/action/cookieAbsent

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Mix Quecertan, curcumin, resveratrol, 1/2 tsp of fresh ground black pepper and 2 Tbsp each of black cumin oil & cod liver oil. Mix well and should be pourable (if not, add liquefied/warmed coconut oil). Gel caps do not dissolve in oils.

Best stuff for inflammation on the planet.

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I've been taking it for the last 3 months or so as prophylaxis.

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Frat quoted an article from the washington examiner:
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Doctors in Northern California say they have seen more deaths from suicide than they've seen from the coronavirus during the pandemic.


Suicide, especially if they leave a note, is fairly easy to attribute to the lockdowns and social isolation. It will be much harder to count the deaths from the longer term effects and all the screaming Karens that inflate the rona deaths and lie like hell about masks and social distancing will deny any correlation between deaths and our over reaction to the disease. Losing their jobs, houses, businesses and families will cause great stress and, certainly, some heart attacks and strokes. I'm sure the governors and burrocrats will 'splain away any idea that what they did was not only unnecessary, but caused as many premature deaths as the disease did. The cost of our handling of the disease may be greater, but there will be deaths as well and we will pay for this for several years to come.

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Greenacr wrote..
I doubt there will ever be a 75% effective or better vaccine.

You are correct so far. The CDC estimates effectiveness of the flu vaccine for each flu season. The best they've done is 60% effective. The worst was 10%. I got this from the CDC web site.

Season Effectiveness, %
2004-05 10
2005-06 21
2006-07 52
2007-08 37
2008-09 41
2009-10 56
2010-11 60
2011-12 47
2012-13 49
2013-14 52
2014-15 19
2015-16 48
2016-17 40
2017-18 38
2018-19 29

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