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Tickerguy
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Exactly.

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Mabman
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another great article:
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/1....

Face Masks
Thumbnail of Meta-analysis of risk ratios for the effect of face mask use with or without enhanced hand hygiene on laboratory-confirmed influenza from 10 randomized controlled trials with >6,500 participants. A) Face mask use alone; B) face mask and hand hygiene; C) face mask with or without hand hygiene. Pooled estimates were not made if there was high heterogeneity (I2 >75%). Squares indicate risk ratio for each of the included studies, horizontal lines indicate 95% CIs, dashed vertical
Figure 2. Meta-analysis of risk ratios for the effect of face mask use with or without enhanced hand hygiene on laboratory-confirmed influenza from 10 randomized controlled trials with >6,500 participants. A) Face mask...

In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.511.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) (Figure 2). One study evaluated the use of masks among pilgrims from Australia during the Hajj pilgrimage and reported no major difference in the risk for laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection in the control or mask group (33). Two studies in university settings assessed the effectiveness of face masks for primary protection by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among student hall residents for 5 months (9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies (9,10). Study designs in the 7 household studies were slightly different: 1 study provided face masks and P2 respirators for household contacts only (34), another study evaluated face mask use as a source control for infected persons only (35), and the remaining studies provided masks for the infected persons as well as their close contacts (1113,15,17). None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group (1113,15,17,34,35). Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group.

Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

We did not consider the use of respirators in the community. Respirators are tight-fitting masks that can protect the wearer from fine particles (37) and should provide better protection against influenza virus exposures when properly worn because of higher filtration efficiency. However, respirators, such as N95 and P2 masks, work best when they are fit-tested, and these masks will be in limited supply during the next pandemic. These specialist devices should be reserved for use in healthcare settings or in special subpopulations such as immunocompromised persons in the community, first responders, and those performing other critical community functions, as supplies permit.

In lower-income settings, it is more likely that reusable cloth masks will be used rather than disposable medical masks because of cost and availability (38). There are still few uncertainties in the practice of face mask use, such as who should wear the mask and how long it should be used for. In theory, transmission should be reduced the most if both infected members and other contacts wear masks, but compliance in uninfected close contacts could be a problem (12,34). Proper use of face masks is essential because improper use might increase the risk for transmission (39). Thus, education on the proper use and disposal of used face masks, including hand hygiene, is also needed.
M1919a2
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ARE YOU NEXT??????

excerpts from the link at bottom of this submission ...

"With the next wave or the next virus theyll say "we did it wrong last time, so this time we need to round-up and isolate the 65+ crowd and let the rest get on with their lives"."

"People will think this is a great idea (they get to keep working, etc) , not knowing that the elderly people (anyone 65+) will be sent to their deaths."

"Then the B.S. story will be that the 2nd wave was just too strong to defeat and it ravaged 90% of the elderly."

YOU ALL GOT THAT - "ravaged" ???????

but there is more ..., oh, by the way, this is a submission, as with all these submissions are vetted and placed here by the owner of this site and well it is, and if you don't know why, I AIN'T GOING TO TELL YOU, ... now let us continue down the RABBIT HOLE ...

"Do you know why they want to do this? Look into what Catherine Austin Fitts wrote many years ago. She worked in the Reagan/Bush-1 White-House and she said many years ago that all of the money had been stolen from all of the pension funds and everyone's retirement fund was gone. She said that Wall Street's plan was to kill-off the elderly so that they would never have to make good on all of the pensions that were stolen, and they won't have to provide care for the elderly."

Before I provide the link,

I ask our host a question on a SUBJECT which he has given an indicated some facility to answer, to-wit: Confirm or Deny that "the pension funds and retirement fund" are BUST! Explanation, one way or the other would be appropriate.

Link: https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/07/26/mai....

Just saying, with this out of the way, the MEAT, so to speak, of the matter - the remaining slaves: wage, sex, amusement - and the condition of their use by their BETTERS should be explored, DON'T YOU THINK?



Tickerguy
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@M1919a2 - I let that through because, well, sometimes even crazy speculation is worth a bit of accommodation.

But that's what it is -- crazy.

See, I can do math. And while Medicare is absolutely bust (and beyond redemption too; only fixing the actual medical system can stop what's coming there) Social Security is not.

As for private pension funds most of those are ****ed. But they have a resolution mechanism already. It's rather ugly, but it exists (PBGC), and it doesn't hit Social Security.

Let's put a not-to-fine point on it -- Social Security is running about a 17% cash deficit right now .vs. tax receipts. That's a gap that can be closed, if it needs to be. And as the conversion from unmarketable to marketable happens, it'll get closed with a combination of FICA tax increase (relatively modest) and lifting the cap-out on deductions (also relatively modest.) Neither will collapse the government or economy.

Now if you're dependent on Medicare and really sucking it down for whatever when the next one comes, you're ****ed. But you won't be ****ed by the government, you'll be ****ed by the virus because your health just sucked too badly and the sort of heroics we do these days, a huge part of the time in futility, we won't be able to pay for. That's going to be sort of ugly, but not a "get in the boxcar" moment.

Nope.

This virus simply isn't all that deadly. A bit more than the flu, but not much more when you get down to it, and in terms of the person-years it steals it's a piker; the seasonal flu kills plenty of young children with 80 years of life in front of them. This thing mostly kills people with 2 months left. Statistically speaking this thing is materially less deadly in person-years taken than a decently-nasty influenza.

All death is sad, but everyone ultimately dies. Myself included. Just not, one hopes, today.

Eventually a really ugly bug will pop up, and historically speaking it will come from SE Asia. Most of them historically have. Why? Because of how they live over there. We're not going to make them change. They won't change on their own. The only way to make them stop is to kill them all, and if we try that they'll try back so in a world of nukes that's probably not such a great plan.

Just saying.

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This virus simply isn't all that deadly. A bit more than the flu, but not much more when you get down to it, and in terms of the person-years it steals it's a piker; the seasonal flu kills plenty of young children with 80 years of life in front of them.


Here's my issue: where ARE the flu cases? We can say it's slightly more deadly than the flu, but it's pretty apparent that if you had COVID-like symptoms and die, they're marking it as COVID - even if it was the flu that got ya. With all the bull**** obfuscation and stats-meddling we've seen since the start, I'm choosing to just believe it's mostly bull**** and go on with my life.

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Tickerguy
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Well @Frat I'm not certain of that yet. All-cause mortality is what it is.

2020 tracked 2019 pretty well until Covid hit. Now 2018 was a fairly bad flu season, but when the year was over, well, it was a big fat nothing in terms of excess. We don't know whether we'll get that or not this year.

I'd take the bet we will, but not on long odds. This much I do know -- the CDC is dicking with the data sets as last week there were "significant" dislocation (e.g. 2+ sigma events) in the weekly update. Impossible that's real? No, but unlikely. The problem is that shifting things around bucket-wise doesn't change outcomes, and dead is dead. People get kinda mad if you try to call them dead twice, and if you don't call them dead when they are then people scam (like social security checks) so that doesn't work either.

They can play with buckets but the count of bodies is going to be pretty hard to **** with by any account.

Nonetheless, keep perspective -- 2.8 million Americans check out every year. This little county has about 800 that die, each and every year. Do get all cranked up about four more, if they're all excess?

If you do you need a long stay in a rubber room.
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You said you were done. You weren't.

No worries. NEVER apologize for telling the truth.

I just attended (did not run in) a 100K running race. I was on-site for over 30 hours.

The majority of attendees were wearing "masks". I even witnessed numerous individuals finishing the 100k while wearing a mask. The brainwashing horse**** works that well. That's why they do it.

This race was held in Gould, CO. All running was done outside and above 9200 feet (UV anyone?) At least half the running was after dark. (damn scarce in the UV department during those hours.)

I, once again, ask: WHY are the ****ers doing this? It IS intentional and it IS bull****, but what is the motive?

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Jwm_in_sb
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The whole point of the test is to get you into their system and reverse burden of proof thereby denying your civil rights so that you can be harassed and conscripted later on.
Pete_brewster
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A really ugly bus will come up, yes. Developed in the same lab as Wuhan flu.

Karl, the Chinese are working day and night on viruses that will kill or permanently cripple military-age westerners but have no affect at all on members of the Han tribe. If you think that's impossible, address your concerns to the Politburo of the Chinese Communist Party, who want the killer bug because they know they cannot win a nuclear war with the west.

They have learned from this experience that triggering mass hysteria in the West is child's play. Think they won't do it again if, somehow, someone determined to succeed where Donald Trump failed in making America great again dares to defy them?

Not that big a killer? Well, no. This was just the warning shot.
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There's a long, sordid history of nations trying that sort of ****. It never works out the way they think it will.

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Yes, Karl. That won't stop the ChiComs from trying---with the full support of their western collaborators.

And God help any Chinese scientist who dares try to explain to his political masters the insanity of their plans for a biological doomsday weapon.
Goforbroke
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That's a huge change from Week 27 to Week 28. So they're claiming that revised data show a whole lot more people dying over the last 6 or so weeks? How can all cause mortalities be so poorly estimated and then revised so substantially?

Seems to me all of these .gov people are figuring out what they want and then working backwards.

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Tickerguy
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Yeah the data has been corrupted. Nonetheless, dead is dead and there's only so much you can do with scamming the count of dead people.

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Well, we've all heard about the insane behavior happening over at the colleges, like safe space rooms filled with toys, and blankets! Yes just like a daycare for small children!

Only these ones are built for snowflakes and grown ass adults, and they most famously go and act like children in these places!

Yes they are useful idiots as well as morons tripping out on the leftist dope!

So hummm just wait until the government starts supplying the snowflake rooms with infected blankets, just to watch the effects of their viruses spread through a college town or two!!

Oh but you don't think that our government would do anything like that huh?

Then I guess you're ignoring that Trump has said that their going to have something to inject in your arm in record time, and he's gonna use the military to see that you all get your shot!

Oh and umm the president says wearing a mask is patriotic! Put it on voter boy! Wear it as you line up for the Trump approved bill Gates tracking serum!
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I got a Covid test on the 23rd of this month. I have no symptoms. I was attempting to jump though the hoops of being admitted to the state of AK which has a quarantine order in place. One must have a negative virus test within 72 hours of setting foot on AK soil. I need to be there for work, but the 72-hours "law" makes getting tested, getting the results and getting to AK completely impossible. Needless to say I have cancelled my flights to AK.

It is July 27th today. I got tested on July 23rd. Still no results.

The hospital got $150 for the test and when the results come they want to have another consultation at an additional cost of $97. The consultation fee is the same whether in person or over the phone. ****s.

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I got my Covids test a few weeks back. Simple summer cold was going through our house but since I've been going into the office I had to get tested. My "regular" clinic (haven't been there in years) said since I didn't have a fever over 100.4 to not even come in...but my employer was demanding a negative test to return to the workplace. Did the drive-thru test instead. My results took NINE DAYS. Thankfully I can work from home and did just that but as Karl mentions, what the **** is the point of the test?? My cold cleared up in a matter of hours. I went along living my life while waiting for the test results. Checked daily and all I got was a due to high demand test results may take 6-10 days.
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Well you have to figure that the subject of vaccines will eventually be the most important topic in the MSM before too long. Here's an interesting article on the REAL impact of vaccines on human health and well being:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/....

Turns out it's "Not so much". An example from the article on the relative impact of the vaccine for whooping cough:


A study published in 1977 attributed at most a 3.5% improvement in mortality reduction since 1900 due to medical interventions (vaccines, antibiotics, etc.).

http://vaccinesafetycommission.org/pdfs/....

And the CDC itself, in a 2000 study, identified the true underlying improvements that had the most significant impacts on improvements in mortality reduction:
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water treatment, food safety, organized solid waste disposal, and public education about hygienic practices.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/dow....

Might as well be have the relevant facts at hand to "debate" the issue, when the time comes.

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Believe me. I know.

I have been talking about masks for a long time. Got banned from Facesucker over it, because a doctor who has no idea on air filtration called me a denier and threatened me and my family (said he was going to call DHS on me).

Funny thing.

We went on vacation last week. Went to Rushmore in South Dakota. No masks, hundreds of people, few people really sick in the area. Swung down to Colorado, and EVERY DOPE SMOKER had a mask on, till it was time to inhale. Lots of cases.

Of course, the testing requirements for SD are more strict. You need symptoms of serious sickness to go in.

Back home in Iowa, I had to delay my trip because my wife had a runny nose and our doc DEMANDED we get a test before leaving. Which we all came out negative. However, our neighbor whose husband has it and is showing fever and cough got a test but no results after 10 days.

The tests are a nice scam.
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Heh, if it comes down to a "mandatory" vaccine and carrying papers, well, that's when you need to find someone in the healthcare field who believes as you do and would be happy to fudge something on paper. No way I am taking any new vaccine for several YEARS until the work the kinks out.

And by then, most of us will have had it and won't have to worry about a vaccine anyway, right? ****'em.

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I'm very close to "that age". I suspect Medicare will demand a vaccine for coverage or maybe they'll see the SS and Medicare money savings of letting us pass.

@Jeep the blankets will go nicely with the pajama dress of most female undergrads
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Redjack said:

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..our doc DEMANDED....


You might want to remind said doc who is the client and who is just a a contractor, and can be replaced....

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CaptianKidd, That is a good point. My concern is that my wife's work (she is a teacher) is hinting that all staff AND STUDENTS will needs reoccurring tests to attend. Which means that I will have a lot of people quitting to take care of kids and "homeschool" which means letting them watch cartoons.
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@Step55 I'm sure they will!
Tickerguy
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@Redjack - the protocol I saw from a reasonably close county basically assures the schools will close as soon as the flu starts back up.

First kid coughs, must be tested before he can come back AND everyone he might have been around is ALSO excluded until THEY can be tested. Forget it; this is going to be an instant cluster-**** as a tiny proportion of those will be Covid but every kid who gets a cold closes the school.

Never mind the BlackKnight kid who coughs in class on purpose but isn't sick.

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