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2020-07-25 09:01 by Karl Denninger
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Covid19 Testing: It Is Now A SCAM
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I know, I said I was done.

But I write on scams all the time and have for more than 12 years.  In fact one of my very first articles was on WaMu (the bank) that was running a massive scam by paying dividends with money that didn't exist (they collapsed, along with a bunch of other banks, about a year later after the government did nothing to put a stop to it.)

Covid-19 testing has become a scam.

What was originally intended to inform public policy, public health and individual care decisions has now turned into a monstrous money-sucking rapejob aimed directly at the American public while making so-called "testing" companies such as Quest billions.

Let me be quite clear:

No test results that extend beyond a single infectious turn time are useful for informing public health.

No test results that extend beyond your viral replication peak are useful for informing individual care decisions.

The entire thing has now turned into a monstrous scam that exists for one purpose only: To rob you of the funds paying for the tests.  It serves no personal medical or public health purpose.

Let's start with individual care decisions.  Only a test that comes back within hours is useful to you as a person if you believe you may have Covid19.

Why?

Because without exception interventions (medications) you can take to interrupt or mitigate viral replication become useless once replication is complete.  One example is hydroxychloroquine, a drug that in 2005 Anthony Fauci himself said was "the answer" to SARS.  Ivermectin is another that may work on the same sort of mechanism.  Both, despite the screaming in the press, are extremely safe and have been used for a long time.  Ivermectin is so safe that we let non-medical people hand it out in third-world nations; it is a single-dose medication.  HCQ is used by some three million Americans with RA or Lupus on a regular basis.  While all drugs have risk these are two that have a long-established safety record.

Once you show symptoms to a viral disease you are at or near the midpoint of viral replication.  Within as little as a day -- and perhaps in as little as 12 hours -- any therapy intended to interrupt that process is a waste of time and money because viral replication in your body is exponential.  Any therapy that cannot help you now has no benefits, just as a cloth mask has no benefits, but does have risks.  It therefore is worse than useless; it can only do harm.

There is no point in going to take a test if you do not get actionable information from the test.  Within two days or so from the time you show symptoms you will either be improving or you will be in the hospital.  If you cannot get results within hours after symptoms appear then the opportunity to intervene in viral replication is gone.  In other words your state's testing system is intentionally causing you to spend money, either directly or through an insurance arrangement (whether through your health insurance plan or by the state paying for it and taxing you for those funds) for no personal benefit whatsoever

Let me repeat that: ALL lab (not "10 minute result, point-of-care") Covid19 tests that do not return results to you within a couple of hours are of no personal benefit to you of any kind because the results will come too late for you to do anything useful with the knowledge they impart.  There is exactly zero reason for you to take a Covid19 test if you cannot wait for the results in the parking lot as it will not, with absolute scientific certainty, give you any actionable information.

Yesterday these labs ran more than three quarters of a million tests in the United States and for all that did not return results within a few hours their value to the person tested was zero.

Would you accept a "test" for diabetes that didn't give you results until after your foot was full of gangrene and fell off?  That's what we're talking about here.

Delays of more than a day or so also make contact tracing, quarantine and isolation worthless.  Why?  Because without the result how do you know who to try to trace contacts from, and against whom to issue a quarantine order?  Further, if you are going to get a mild case and you're not infectious by the time the results come back then a quarantine order issued against you at that point is legally void and is in fact kidnapping or false arrest, a serious felony. Quarantine orders are only valid against infectious persons.  You have every moral and ethical right to resist being kidnapped when the person doing so has designed and implemented a pretext said government goon knows is worthless with whatever force is necessary to do so.  Indeed, the CDC itself says that if you're fever-free for 24 hours and 10 days have passed after symptoms began risk no longer exists.  So if you felt "off", three days later you're actively sick, you go get tested and the results do not come back for a week so long as you have not had a fever for 24 hours any quarantine order is facially invalid.

Worse, this scam has made contact tracing worthless because by the time you get the positive result and thus trace contacts not only has the person spread the bug to whatever extent they can since they're no longer infectious but worse, whoever got it from them is likely contagious already and has spread it again!  By the time they get the results back from their tests the cycle repeats and the entire scheme is of no value to public health whatsoever.  You've taken what has a legitimate public health purpose and turned it into a gigantic scam that has no valid purpose; it is simple make-work harassment.  Utterly nobody should cooperate with any such "contact tracer" for this reason; it is not that the purpose is invalid it is that the testing delay makes the attempt pointless for the alleged claimed purpose.  Unless you have a positive result back within 24 hours tell them all to go **** goats; there is no value in so-called "tracing" at that point.

And finally such reports make analyzing epidemiological trends impossible other than in retrospect, which is an interesting data analysis exercise after the entire thing is over but tells us exactly nothing about what is going on at the ground-level in a given community right now.  The roughly 3-5 day median period before symptoms appear is a latency we cannot change, but adding to it beyond one viral replication time makes any sort of tracking of what's going on in terms of the evolution of the outbreak worthless to inform public policy response.  This in turn makes any so-called mitigations worthless as well since by the time you can determine what they do you've trashed the economy and, if there is no benefit, or worse, harm occurs, you have permitted that harm to compound at an exponential rate.  This also leads so-called "health departments" claiming "we need to give it more time" when something is done -- which is fine if it works but if it doesn't then it takes whatever harm is occurring and multiples it by whatever (Rt * viral period) happens to be in the delay of the results.

For example if you issue a mask mandate and it actually increases spread you will see that outcome start to show up in one viral replication time.  But if your tests are not consistently back the next day (some are immediate, some come back in a couple of days, some come back in a week) the harm will show up as a small portion of the total signal generated and you may claim you need more time to evaluate the action.  If the action causes harm then you just screwed two to four times as many people by not acting on the original signal because you didn't believe it.  This has led to what's going on in my county right now where the data is clear -- the "mask mandate" either did nothing or actually increased transmission; the signal showed up exactly five days after the order went into effect (one incubation period) but because a large percentage of tests are not "point of care" (but not all) you see public health authorities ignoring the signal.  Well, that sucked big ones because now, fifteen days after the order went into effect not only has the signal not gone away (they're wrong about test reporting delays meaning "the gay will go away if we just pray harder!") what was a small signal has now bloomed into the full effect and has led to the highest one-day spike in new cases since the start of the outbreak on the 23rdan outcome either in spite of or worse caused by the mask order and which might have been avoided if, a few days after the 15th, the data was believed and the order rescinded.

It's time to cut the bull**** and shut it all down.  The virus is going to do what it's going to do; we have no effective response within any part of the government at this point so all we can do is treat cases as they appear aggressively and make damn sure we don't vector the disease into vulnerable populations.  For those who live in the general community and are at high risk go buy a P100 and use it when outside your own home or vehicle; that might work for you personally.  We can't get accurate data, we're claiming that someone who had a motorcycle wreck was a "Covid19" death, we're issuing quarantine orders against people who are no longer infectious which destroys their earnings at their job and does direct and serious harm to the economy, we're "tracing" people for no purpose whatsoever because we sat on the results until after their contacts already got the bug and passed it on themselves and we're creating a climate of fear-porn all over the media in results that are a look back which has no diagnostic or public health value.

What was a clear attempt to inform both public health an individual care decisions has now turned into nothing more than a scam.  There exist today tests that cost a buck or two, can give you results in 10 minutes from saliva and while they're not as sensitive as a lab test they detect infectious people, which is the entire point.  These are not being sold in Walgreens and CVS right here and now for one reason and one reason only -- they stop the scam instantly as they create no record, are personal to you and are also extremely cheap just like a home pregnancy test that can be had for a couple of bucks -- and in addition since they're both cheap and immediate-result they tell people that they need to stay home which will instantly stop transmission and thus collapse the entire so-called "emergency."

Oh, and Arizona has folded back and several others are in the process of doing so.  In point of fact the so-called "mitigations" have done exactly nothing; as soon as they are relaxed the virus comes back and completes the same replication sequence it was going to undertake all on its own, and when it reaches suppression levels it starts to die down, exactly as mathematics predict.  There never was 100% susceptibility to this virus, we knew that in February and now know why on a scientific basis, and as such all the fear porn was flat-out bull**** right from the start.  We've bought billions of dollars worth of useless ventilators that kill people, we've ignored therapeutics we know work by delaying their use until their benefit window has closed and we've built a "testing and contact tracing" infrastructure that does nothing other than waste money and effectively kidnap citizens who are no longer infectious.

All the so-called "experts" know it too.  Witness Fauci being caught on camera multiple times taking his mask off as soon as he thinks the camera is off him.  It wasn't just at the ballpark the other day; he was caught doing the same thing at a briefing, which everyone seems to forget with their 30 second attention spans and bong-hit addled brain.  He knows damn well masks don't work and in fact said they were nothing more than a placebo a few months ago.

Stop the charade.

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Read: 3M mask guidelines
 

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Thank goodness your parents brought forth "YOU" Karl! When the world needed an unbiased "tech", erudite spokesman, you arrived! ALL of us who absorb your output realize how much we benefit from your skills. Keep it up buddy; we need you big time!!
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The medical industry has successfully placed a check engine light on my forehead. As a condition of employment I am now required to agree to daily health screenings that monitor a laundry list of covid related symptoms including things like headache and fatigue. I'm not exaggerating. The most outwardly obvious symptoms being cough and runny nose. Any display of symptoms will result in being sent home and will require an evaluation by a healthcare professional for covid 19.

If the evaluation concludes that I have covid I am then subject to state quarantine protocols. I must show proof that the evaluation was covid negative before I can return to work.

Any coworker can report to HR that they saw me blowing my nose.

The pendulum has swung completely toward crazy. I am now required by force of law and pain of loss of employment to go to the doctor for every headache and runny nose. You can't make this **** up. It's no wonder our city's are burning.
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I remember very clearly Dr. Fowchee saying masks were pretty much worthless. Why isn't he held accountable, then, for all the deaths that ensued, since masks are the magic bullet that will nip this all in the bud quick? Huh. Unreal how many apologists there are for the guy - since gee, what he really meant to say was health care needs the PPE. pfffffffft.
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Oh but nobody makes any money if the test is $2 and you can buy it in the store. Never mind that it ends the bull**** instantly.

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Now there's been numerous medical scams going on, medical scam number one if you ask me happens to be diabetes you know the big disease everyone's been freaking about for the past what 15 years?

Now hear me out....

the reason I make such a claim is because well I had an experience last year, I had a back / leg injury I have no idea could have been a pensioner if I never got to the bottom of it the bottom line is....

I went in for treatment they wanted to check my blood whatever they did they tried it three different times each time they kept saying I had diabetes....

I'll admit I could lose a little weight, bottom line is I ended up going to another hospital / doctor organization in another town,seeking a second opinion they took my blood and of urine sample yada yada and guess what I'm not even close to having diabetes!

unfortunately they did put me on blood pressure medicine but that has been stopped...

35 years of age so yes I agree I'm not healthy wow unfortunately I do smoke cigarettes and I enjoy beer...

is it preventable in terms of high blood pressure yes you are 100% correct I agree but that does not mean that I have diabetes here's the deal they're going around and telling a hell of a lot of people in the past 15 years or diabetes you have diabetes you have diabetes oh hey look everyone it's a national epidemic and blah blah blah blah!!

yeah it's like for instance boy they've really lowered the standards on BMI haven't they let it get that **** rigged to make their little pandemic of obesity coupled with diabetes and high blood pressure work!!

personally I'm not too worried about high blood pressure because well it runs in my family whether you drink or smoke my grandmother never smoked a cigarette in a day of her life and only very rarely had a little bit of beer and possibly a little wine... Yep she ended up with high blood pressure and heart problems!

And she was not overweight!

heart problems and high blood pressure etcetera etcetera even cancer runs on both sides of my family! I can totally agree that smoking and consuming adult beverages can definitely******off whatever Gene, I'm sure that causes that stuff to go nuts however it also occurs to me that a lot of people salt and sugar kicks their ass I'm not going to stand there and count carbs all ****ing day!!

but I will say is that it occurs to me that when there's constant harping and me even more harping and idiots going completely out of their way to blab about certain things continuously like obesity and diabetes in this and that in terms of the medical establishment not bloggers...

It's more than time to fall with a manic you know it's like for instance there's been exercise diet fag crazes in the past!
my grandparents were in the bicycle business back in the 70s and 80s my father worked in that shop and I can tell you that in the mid-to-late seventies there was a huge big deal about the stationary bicycle exercise machine everybody wanted one....

Early to mid 80s guess what it hit again...

but I can remember that this diet fag arrangement got started somewhere in the late nineties and it's never went away in the medical community has been right there blabbing and blabbing even more every day every month every year all about how we're all going to ****ing die from pretty much everything I mean it's getting to the point to where if you have a cup of tea oh my God you're going to get type 2 diabetes!!

I'm just saying hey there's a hell of a lot of emphasis placed on this in there has been for quite some time and by the way it's been conducted and very similar mannerisms as the covid bull****!!

I can remember back in the 90s and then they brought it up again in the early 2000s you know everybody had cholesterol cholesterol was the big deal remember that they're all over TV radio whatever trying to sell you a cholesterol vitamin supplements like garleek brand garlic are there any actual medical community AKA also known as the pharmaceutical community was pushing cholesterol pills down everyone's ****ing throat it's amazing the we didn't take cholesterol medicine when we were in a ****ing teens when I was growing up!!

I myself seriously have not trusted medical so-called professionals for a very long time dating back to my teenage years because boy oh boy did they put in phasis on certain stupid ****, and I noticed that they've never changed they're just getting worse!!

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Karl, what exactly is your thoughts on Trump never firing doctor foul **** and why that might be?

Do you think that the scam goes completely to the top Trump included?
(Not a loaded question) just looking for an honest opinion!

yes, I personally believe it goes straight to the top, but I also believe that there's other forces behind this, and no that does not mean that I'm making excuses nor am I giving anyone a pass. I don't care if it happens to be someone else's favorite politician they're not getting a pass if they're partaking they're *******s!!

**** Q and the QTARDS!

Karl back to you!
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@Jeepguy -- Trump loves anything that allows someone to rob somebody.

Remember the three bullet points in his campaign on medical -- which all disappeared on election night?

Well, we'll see what his executive orders from yesterday do. I can see that one from a Medicare standpoint, in that Medicare is going to collapse within 2-3 years at current trends (was 4 years, but they have put a fork in that with this bull**** going on now) and when it does the entire government runs the risk of getting shot as you're going to have a lot of old people with nothing to lose and who are going to die anyway.

That's when government learns the "All the rest are free" lesson writ large -- and he knows it.

This Covid crap is a very nice scam; the test only has value to the patient if you get immediate results. If you don't it's value to you is zero.

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@Tickerguy
Well suppose that this drug coverage order,(basically dictating the price)

only superficially lowers the price in terms of yeah okay for the drugs that are currently out there sure, they're going to cost a lot less, but of course what's going to become the motivation of the drug companies basically the producers of said drugs?

Oh hell no I'm not siding with the drug companies, but if course they've been on this massive gravy train for how many years? 40! I mean we all know they don't want to get off of that!

So I guess basically what I'm getting at is won't they just artificially create a shortage, by selling the drugs to other nations? even out of retaliation and then use the big excuse of the shortage as a means to demand more money?
and then perhaps either this administration caves or congress at large caves or the next group of idiots cave and they get their said raise? but then of course we know that's never going to be enough so they'll just do this periodically right?

I don't know, Do you have any thoughts of what could be on the other side of these orders say the next 3-6 months?

I mean if anything, okay perhaps they get the cost down and the pharmaceuticals decide okay we've scammed people long enough, we've made enough money alright we'll we'll go ahead and go with it okay...

Even in Fantasyland, if the pharmaceutical corporations went with it, how long do you suppose it extends medicare's existence 3 to 6 months as in Medicare is still going to go broke, in other words I don't really see where this is going to do ****!!

it looks to me like it's just more political theater, "oh look this guy is totally conservative, cuz he's at least pretending to save money"! you know the biggest problem with the majority of government programs is not necessarily so much the benefit they're dealing out it's actually more so all of the ****ing staff they've got you know the bloat of idiots in offices doing nothing!!

Back and 16 I was a civilian worker at dscc (defense Supply center Columbus)
Long story short it's a military base filled with morons who mostly watch YouTube all day! these morons that I'm referring to are civilian workers! however the majority of them are ex-military that's how they got their job because they have hiring preference!

The bottom line is, is if you've seen it in one government agencies I'm pretty positive it's throughout all government agencies!

so yes you are thoughts what do you think it looks like three to six months after these orders? Any haunches, predictions?
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@Tickerguy
I will say my grandmother used to threaten, that the seniors will get extremely pissed off one day and totally rise up heavily-armed!

but also she used to refer to most in DC as either silly bastards or simple sumbitches!!

Her Wisdom! RIP Grandma!
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Larry Kudlow (cocaine Kudlow) is snorting blocks!
I understand that
Guy is a snow nose from way back!
Every time he gets out there and just parrots whatever he's told to say that's just him working for his weekend 8 balls!!
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In CT 90 out of 144 tests were false positive. Some of the tests were on nursing home residents who were then moved to COVID 19 units.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/health....
https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/ar....

And now they place GPS ankle bracelets on those who test positive and refuse to stay home, including a boyfriend who possibly was not tested.

https://www.cnn.comdadvocate.com/2.225.2....
https://bgr.com/2020/07/20/kentucky-coup....
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@Tickguy

before I forget have you heard the latest conspiracy theory put out by Q, about Trump pushing the mask propaganda?

oh yes, those idiots claim it's all part of the plan, what he's trying to do is say that if masks make everyone so safe that we need to bring back in person voting!

Lol yeah okay whatever... It's so basic to say, that why wouldn't he just say that? why does he have to go through the big bull**** show of putting the mask on and telling everyone it's the patriotic thing to do when clearly it's not????

but of course the QTARDS talk about how he's playing 4-D chess and it's all part of the plan, it's the Democrats and he's telling them and blah blah blah...

MEANWHILE OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW THAT MONETARY POLICY HASN'T CHANGED, HE'S JUST A CONTINUATION OF THE LAST TWO IDIOTS!

Karl, you're thoughts?
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"Q" bull**** around here is good for an instant banhammer.

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I was not promoting that forbidden letter of the alphabet! I was merely poking fun at them and asking whether or not you heard their most recent bull**** excuse for the man in the white house with a bad comb-over, that some people communicate over social media??

I had only brought it up because, the other day I got hammered with that bull**** on Facebook!

However, I did not know that it was forbidden here on your forum, that is actually the last bastion of true free speech on the internet! I had no idea that was a rule my bad!
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@Goforbroke - that's a very good sign at Cleveland Clinic, not just on masks. I'm sure the religious #Maskholes would say it's out of date misinformation.

In my little part of the Leftist Fortress of Northern VA, they closed down all of the pools in my community and others. The contracting company that HOAs outsource to for life guards, had one of their teenage employees pop positive (but asymptomatic for CV-19), so they're suspending all services to multiple communities. This is a job outdoors in the bright sun, around chlorinated water, with restrictions on number of occupants allowed in the pools and pool furniture put away (you could bring your own folding chair if you wanted). Local and state government officials don't even pretend likes we're trying to prevent hospital overload anymore, they are getting hysterical with ANY cases. The ****ing dems shout science with their so-called mitigation methods, accepting without question that they will certainly work, and even behaving as if they're a cure and that it will all end. Even if you multiply x10, VA has a long way to go before it's over (2-3 months at the rate we're going).
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@Tickerguy

I have a quick question on the herd immunity math which should make all this mask wearing a moot point eventually ( hopefully sooner rather than later).
If we use the 17% figure to get to herd immunity and use the timeline of Sweden who did not lockdown I am calculating that we will max out at about 189k deaths. IF we stay @ about 70k new infections/day (who knows how accurate this is) where the CDS states is actually 10x or 700k/day, shouldn't we reach the tipping point where everything starts to plummet at around 56M infections? (17% of 330M) The World O Meters app has the U.S at about 4.3M infections ( or really 43M). At 700k per day we should be at 56M in about 3 weeks....just trying to put a real estimate on the beginning of the end of all this. Everything in life is timing.......
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@tickerguy

Can you give the suppression rate on Massachusetts.
Would like to become the bearer of good news to my friends.

Also parents have a cottage on the small NH coast.
Not many infections or deaths
but they did lock-down earlier
lots of restrictions were put in place.


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@T7rader - The problem with a national look as a whole is that it is highly misleading, especially with states dropping quarantine orders on people who travel. FL simply extended things by doing that to NY residents, and now a bunch of other states have tried to do it too, but the amusing part is that they're states (for the most part) that already reached suppression.

We're more of a "leaky tribe" model that a homogeneous population, which is why you have an imputed infection rate of ~20% in NY and ~9% in other states, including some "next door" ones like PA. Even that's misleading to some extent because some corner of NY without a lot of tourism could have very low rates, yet it's still in NY. The reason it works in large-city states is that such a huge percentage of the population (and thus of the stats) are in those cities. MOST states have one or two large population centers. Where there are large areas of land where that's not true (e.g. the UP of Michigan) you really ought to look at them as completely separate regions but without a LOT of work nobody ever will, and I don't care enough to do the work to split them out.

A major confounding factors for exactly where a given area has to be to reach suppression appears to be demographic. I've yet to find ANY contrary examples. I don't intentionally go looking for them but it's something that surprised me more than a little in terms of the pattern and exactly what demographic factors appear to make a difference.

Look at the link below; I am following specific states of interest that are "hot" and will shift to others as they become so, if they do -- and I do expect them to. The hypothesis is there and being actively tested on a daily basis.

@Clyde - Adding MA to the thread in the Covid area . They're almost-certainly in suppression, or very, very close to it. Look here: https://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?post=23....

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As Karl knows, we have had our own exposure and testing issues. Now it has cost me placement with my children... for no reason at all other than pure spite.

Thurs begins my normal placement with my kids. We are out of protocol. However, my ex (who works at a hospital in cardiac care and knows better) went against all we have discussed for months and the quarantine protocols we followed and denied my placement for this weekend. No discussion, no hint, just did it. Needless to say, it's basically kidnapping and there will be a time and place. This has gone on for 8 years. But here is a prime example of someone using the chaos, fear, and lack of uniform agreement on all things COVID to her advantage, and put my kids right in the middle.

I had a feeling she'd pull this (and I'm sure I'll be padding my attorney's bank account quite nicely)... but there is no end to how this scam continues to affect everyone.

**** COVID... and Fauxci, Trump, and every ********** involved who continues this charade!!!!!!

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