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Depression2020
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@WayIwalk - do you have a link to the specific ZH article you're referring to? I started visiting that site significantly less a few years back, as there were some changes I didn't like.
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The data on alleged "testing" has now become clear: THE GOVERNMENT AT ALL LEVELS has INTENTIONALLY destroyed ALL value of #Covid19 testing. It is useless for statistical purpose or for informing individual care decisions. It now has exactly ONE purpose: stoking FEAR. **** that.
https://twitter.com/tickerguy/status/128....

Do you think it's uniformly ****ty, with no regions or states do anything right?

Tickerguy
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@Depression2020 -- I think it's utterly useless now as tool to inform policy, and it's also useless for individual diagnostic purposes.

IF you can personally get a rapid-result test (e.g. results NOW, while you're there) then for diagnostic purposes it may be still individually useful. The problem is that if you get one but I have a 5-day delayed result then we get slotted into two different viral "generation" trend buckets, and the statistical value of said testing is now ZERO.

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Drifter
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I've read that infection rate is 10x the case rate. In India, they are estimating it is 35x higher.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/cov....

It is disturbing that libtards I know prefer to remain utterly blind to what is going on, and refuse to believe Covid is nothing short of the Spanish Flu. If you get all your nooz from CNN, you'll believe just looking at HCQ will kill you.
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Given India's demographics I wouldn't be surprised.

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I don't know if this is real or fake, but it purports to be Walmart's policy/instructions to their mask nazi security guards.

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Depression2020
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Thanks Karl, I agree the data is a mess. I just saw some bad analysis by CNN (no surprise), where they're running the BS about the number of days it took to get to certain case counts, even though testing was even ****tier in the first few months.

The HHS headline below makes me think of that Iron Man quote from Die Hard - "Welcome to the Party Pal."

HHS predicts U.S. coronavirus death rate will begin to fall in next couple of weeks https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/23/hhs-pred....

Meanwhile in my little world -

Since I'm on a government mandated paid time off this week, I went to enjoy the pool again during the summer heat wave. Life guards conducting temperature checks at the entrance popped me at 101 and the next three people also registered at over 100 degrees. I went over to the shade for a moment, and then went back to get tested again and registered at 96.5. I've previously had similar challenges with temperature screening at work. The guards just have us pull over in the parking garage, and then test us again outside our vehicles.

On the topic of ****ty testing data having a huge impact on policy decisions, in this case affecting US national security - Each agency director, usually a 3-star general or SES equivalent, like the governors and local officials we often rant about on this forum, is the leader of his or her own little empire. Here in the national capital region (NCR), we have uneven policies between agencies regarding reopening "phases", even though these are policy decisions all relating to workers and facilities in the NCR. The result is that some agencies are in later phases of reopening much sooner, while some are more locked down. Below is a proclamation from last week from our 3-star, a real #Maskhole. Co-workers who dialed in to hear this announcement said they felt like hanging themselves (tongue-in-cheek), since with other middle managers echoing like parrots, said that people were going out in public too much and getting infected, instead of staying home. I wish the president or his cabinet would've have directed all the Karen's running these agencies to get the bulk of the workforce back ASAP, it should have been done a long time ago.
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Our numbers continue to rise. As of Friday weve reached 66 active cases. Last week we added 20 active cases, the week before 23. Our surgeon general office doesnt expect to see the post July 4th weekend surge numbers until next week. As a reminder, my next decision on increasing or decreasing the workforce numbers in our facilities is 24 July.

Below is the quote from Dr. Redfield that he gave in an address in Charlotte, NC on Monday, July 13.

"If everyone could wear a face covering over the next six weeks we could drive this [coronavirus] into the ground, Dr. Redfield said on Monday. Dr. Redfield went on to say that wearing a mask is the most powerful weapon against the virus followed by hand washing, and social distancing."
Invisiblesun
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Per the UK government, masks are useless and no one is going to wear them properly. But they are required by law!

The money quote:

"Face coverings are not a replacement for the other ways of managing risk, including minimising time spent in contact, using fixed teams and partnering for close-up work, and increasing hand and surface washing. These other measures remain the best ways of managing risk in the workplace and government would therefore not expect to see employers relying on face coverings as risk management for the purpose of their health and safety assessments."

And the two points of proper mask wearing that no one is going to follow:

*when wearing a face covering, avoid touching your face or face covering, as you could contaminate them with germs from your hands

*change your face covering if it becomes damp or if youve touched it

What guidance does the UK repeat over and over and over?

Wash your hands

Masks have nothing to do with public safety. Why then masks? Because it doesn't cost the government anything to demand them.

www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19/offices-and-contact-centres#offices-6-1
Tickerguy
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But it costs you.

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Little_eddie
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In the US use a simple statement

"Because of heath reasons I can not wear a mask"

Show me one state that doesn't have this loop hole?

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It's Collapse, get use to it, everything else is just 'them' trying to hide it from you.

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Effing "Lord Ducey," governor of AZ, just extended AZ's lockdown "indefinitely." Including bars, restaurants and water parks. The latter are only open for ~3 months/year so he has screwed them into non-existence.

As his "edicts" have ****ed our restaurants, bars and the jobs/careers & social life that come with those activities.

IDK what it will take to end these megalomaniac edicts. Our Forefathers would have hung this ******* from the nearest tree--weeks ago.

Where is Mr. Wheeler when we need him?

Goforbroke
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"If everyone could wear a face covering over the next six weeks we could drive this [coronavirus] into the ground, Dr. Redfield said on Monday. Dr. Redfield went on to say that wearing a mask is the most powerful weapon against the virus followed by hand washing, and social distancing."
That is the current Mantra in Ohio. These guys must get the same memos.

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Frat
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Um, WRONG. Handwashing IS the main defense, you *******s. Social distancing I can take or leave, because people have started to really******me off. Face diapers? **** off.

Edit: Partly sorry for the language; I thought I was in The Bar still. :)

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We're ****ed. Where's Henry Bowman when you need him?

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Depression2020
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Teachers May Use Federal Disability, Medical-Leave Laws to Fight Return to Classroom https://www.ctnewsjunkie.com/archives/en....

Fine, if they have a legitimate medical condition that a doctor will approve, let them take unpaid leave under FMLA. Hire substitute teachers willing to work, and open the damn schools!

The same thing goes with my government colleagues in the national security sector. Let them use all their accrued paid leave, then FMLA if they have a valid reason, but we need backup to accomplish the mission, effectively deter our enemies, and fight for American interests.
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My issue is WHAT ABOUT ALL OF US WHO HAVE NEVER STOPPED WORKING AND "RISKING" THE ENTIRE TIME, *******S!?

Mrs. Frat is an ER nurse, I am in packaging. I had the busiest off-Peak (it really wasn't "off" that's for damn sure) you could imagine, and they called her in to cover a lot of shifts because of the 'Rona. WTF, hey, can y'all pay ME to stay home and not do my job, or half-ass it please?

The same goes for the ****ing "stimulus." OK, if my wife and I do it right, both of us might fall about the $75k threshold. Does that mean we get dick-all, but stayed WORKING THE ENTIRE ****ING TIME? So what, we get to pay for it but don't receive any of it?!

And no, I'm not apologizing for the language this time. **** THAT AND **** THEM. Let's get the damn Boog started. I'm over this ****.

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Depression2020
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@Frat - I agree with your sentiment. I've been working as much as possible, and going in on my mandated days off when called, to support mission needs. Working stiffs considered essential have been putting kids in daycare centers throughout the Covid hysteria. Karen and her kids are fragile snowflakes that suck at math. FMLA existed before the Rona hit, and it is a fair law, entitling people to unpaid leave for a period if they meet the requirements. Of course it's also righteous for people to use accrued paid leave promised as a benefit when hired for employment.

The Leftists are trying to exploit the Rona and BLM movement to bring European socialism to the US, furthering the agenda of Leftist leaders like Bernie Sanders and AOC. Free healthcare, free medicine, free college, free daycare, free eldercare, paid time off for almost the entire duration of pregnancy, reparations to minorities, universal basic income, strengthening mandates to award jobs and government contracts to minorities (with that factor weighing more than ever), etc, etc - the Free **** Army is taking over. Perhaps the "boogers" should use more effective camouflage than military fatigues and Hawaiian shirts. For example, BLM shirts, carrying relevant protest signs, and using relevant slogans/chants would work better for camouflage and concealment for notional aggressive actions, since authorities often go easier on groups fitting that description, even when they're using incendiary weapons, hand projectiles, and hand weapons.

PS- I noticed @Tickerguy has the patience of a saint, to engage with people in comments section on Fox News website. At least on Twitter people can be blocked or muted. Tickerguy regularly gets down in the mud, and fights of insults and slander with facts and logic.

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Bodhi
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@Frat, my son got laid off by Uber late last year and his unemployment ended in February. A couple of months later the state of New York told him that he was eligible to have his unemployment reinstated due to the "emergency." They were also going to give him the extra $600/week. A week later they direct deposited just shy of $10,000 into his bank account for 9 weeks so-called back pay. All I could do was laugh at the sheer idiocy of the NY state government. This is by far the biggest **** show in my entire life.
Printlife
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An interesting bit of curve matching for influenza spreading vs. seasonality. Not a speculation on transmission mechanism. Might be the vitamin D levels improving during the summer. Dismisses lockdowns by comparing Peru and Brazil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti....

Then MedCram on Vitamin D. Might be the protection mechanism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdc7T2UT....
Tickerguy
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Nope. Brownian motion and absolute humidity.

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@ GFB,Took a screen shot
 

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Goforbroke
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Thanks ... too old to edit and get rid of the picture. KD ... can you do that for me?

Edit: Thanks!

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Frat
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Gee, that's what I've tried to get Mrs. Frat to buy into for years. She's actually been listening since about March. I'd prefer the Mormon way, though, and have 6 months to a year personally...

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Wayiwalk
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Someone asked for a link on the "How We Got Here" article; I noted it was on Zerohedge and I agree, as I go to that site because it is easy and is free but a lot of the commentary is clickbait and the comments are either insightful or plain nasty, so instead I share the link from where the original article was published:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl....

Goforbroke
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The money ...

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200726/c....
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The average cost of a hospitalized COVID-19 patient can range from $14,000 to nearly $75,000, according to several studies.

Congress passed two bills in March, the Families First Coronavirus Response Act and the CARES Act, that basically say that testing has to be covered and patients should not have to pay for it.

Some central Ohio sites do charge a fee, though. Urgent Care locations in Upper Arlington, Bexley and Worthington charge $127 for the visit. Theres also an additional charge from Quest Lab, a private clinical lab, for the test that ranges from $60 to $75.

Yet another study reported a hospitalized coronavirus patient should be prepared to pay anywhere from $42,486 to $74,310 if they are uninsured or if they receive care thats deemed out of network by their insurance company, according to the New York-based nonprofit FAIR Health.
I thought the .gov was going to pay for all of these CV cases?

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Asimov
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No. They're not paying for them. They're paying $13k for a hospitalization and $39k for somebody put on a vent. My understanding is that the hospitals can still bill your insurance or you for whatever that doesn't cover (or maybe those are just bonuses, and they can still bill you the full amount.)

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Putting this here. This is a news conference with doctors that have a clue. Several docs, it is long.

It is from breitbart news. One doctor, black woman is all over treatments and the use of hydro and zinc, zpack. Very passionate.

Several doctors on all different sections of the fraud and fear mongering. All about fear, kids can go to school, and the other doctors who are fearmongering etc.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ynJOqPBaeXKR?t=82....
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